
Heterodorx
“Based TERF and Tranny” Nina Paley and Cori Cohn talk about gender — and anything else they find interesting and/or horrifying — with warmth, sarcasm, respect, cutting intelligence, more sarcasm, and disarming honesty. heterodorx.substack.com
Latest episodes

Dec 24, 2021 • 1h 32min
Alice Dreger's Middle Finger*
The Dorx welcome Alice Dreger, author of the excellent Galileo’s Middle Finger. Dreger discusses Intersex as a political identity, what makes her feel like a woman, the trials of puberty, lactose intolerance, the importance of talking to kids about sexual pleasure, and East Lansing Info, a model local journalism organization she founded. Then she talks about “discriminatory and hateful” segregation in sports. Hold onto your hats! *Some people are born with more than 10 fingers; others with fewer. Whether due to genetic anomolies or amputation, some have no fingers at all. So who are we to say what a “middle finger” even is?Galileo’s Middle Finger https://alicedreger.com/GMFEast Lansing Info https://eastlansinginfo.news/Alice in Genderland https://aliceingenderland.com/What’s Happening to Me https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/141764._What_s_Happening_to_Me_A_Guide_to_PubertyHow Babies Are Made https://www.amazon.com/How-Babies-Made-Steven-Schepp/dp/1626541043Nina’s Sex-Positive Memoirs https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/Heterodorx interview with Grace Lavery (who also declines to define 'woman'): https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Dec 17, 2021 • 1h
Elizabeth Hungerford
The Dorx speak with attorney and feminist Elizabeth Hungerford, co-author of a seminal 2011 letter to the UN about gender identity’s impacts on sex-based rights. Should feminists ally with conservatives? Should genderism be classified as a religion? Do we criticize gender, or abolish it? Is sex-blindness a spectrum? Who wears a potato sack better, Corinna or Nina? Is it easier to fool men than women, about sex? Can taboos be beneficial? Hungerford bravely withstands being mint-chocolate-chip-shamed by Nina, in this gentle, respectful, and deep exchange of ideas and “yucking someone else’s yum.”Cathy Brennan and Elizabeth Hungerford letter to the UN: https://sexnotgender.com/gender-identity-legislation-and-the-erosion-of-sex-based-legal-protections-for-females/The Radical Notion: https://theradicalnotion.org/Detransition: Beyond Before and After by Max Robinson: https://www.spinifexpress.com.au/shop/p/9781925950403Feminist Ethics by Sarah Hoagland: https://www.sarahhoagland.com/sarahhoaglandles.htmlMale/Female face optical illusion: https://www.opticalspy.com/opticals/male-or-female-face-optical-illusionYummy Yuck (children's book): https://www.amazon.com/Yummy-Yuck-Amanda-Jane-Jones/dp/3791374052/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=yuck+and+yum&qid=1639705440&sr=8-1--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nov 30, 2021 • 40min
The Grift Episode
Corinna and Nina discuss podcast-related expenses, such as microphone covers, multi-track remote recording service, and Fried Tofu w Numb Oil. For the first time, the Dorx ask for donations, but only for a few minutes, after which they change the subject to JK Rowling’s Twitter namechecks and the importance of talking to your godchildren about the transcult. Nina confronts her Internalized Transphobia and learns about Inner Pronouns, while Corinna reveals his many deadnames, and the sock-shaped hole in his heart. Then they ask for money again, before talking about used handkerchiefs. It’s the kind of quality content worth supporting!Donate to Heterodorx at https://anchor.fm/heterodorxGolden Harbor #807 Fried Tofu w Numb Oil https://www.goldenharboronline.com/menushttps://www.patreon.com/ninapaley--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nov 19, 2021 • 1h 26min
Abolishing Gender, not Sex, with Kara Dansky
The Dorx welcome lawyer, gender abolitionist, and fierce feminist Kara Dansky, who has just released a new book, The Abolition of Sex: How the “Transgender” Agenda Harms Women and Girls. Dansky fills us in on the ACLU’s “unlikely allies,” the disgraceful biases and failures of American mainstream media, and that she might soon drop the term “Gender Critical.” It’s a stimulating, challenging, and thought-provoking conversation.Links:https://www.amazon.com/Abolition-Sex-Transgender-Agenda-Harms/dp/1637582293https://nypost.com/2021/03/27/prof-who-refused-transgender-students-pronouns-wins-in-court/https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/12/gender-critical-trans-women-the-apostates-of-the-trans-rights-movement.htmlhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nov 14, 2021 • 1h 12min
Bad Science with Maneesh Yadav
Maneesh Yadav has a PhD in…SCIENCE! Chemistry, to be precise, and his favorite molecule is porphine. Is that enough expertise to guide Nina through the morass of COVID misinformation confronting her online? From Tamiflu and arsenic life, to calling women “bodies with vaginas”, the Dorx explore why science journals and institutions have lost so much credibility in recent years, and how we might find our way when we need reliable scientific evidence more than ever.Links:Tamifluhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4375804/Arsenic Lifehttps://www.nbcnews.com/science/cosmic-log/arsenic-life-debate-still-percolates-flna6C10402703Can’t Get You Out Of My Head (Adam Curtis)https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13973190/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nov 5, 2021 • 1h 13min
Down the Motherhood Well with Lisa Marchiano
Jungian analyst Lisa Marchiano takes the Dorx on a journey through myth and folktales as she discusses stories from her recent book, Motherhood. Following the classic arc of descent and return, Corinna drops the sarcasm for literally minutes before noting the sexist and exclusionary title. Nina promises to ban this deep and compelling tome, because as a non-mother it’s not specifically about her. This is an unusually profound and calming episode, so definitely don’t buy this book or check it out of a library near you!https://lisamarchiano.com/books/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 28, 2021 • 54min
How Inclusive is Misogyny?
In this episode of Heterodorx, Nina tries very very hard not to say “y’know,” because Corinna no longer edits out her verbal tics. As a result, she speaks unusually slowly, thoughtfully, and almost as sarcastically as Corinna. Thus disciplined, the two dutifully slog away at conversation, discussing Dave Chapelle, the definition of misogyny, power, corruption, “respectability politics,” “conservative humor,” media gaslighting, and wearing “male garb” at the Rennaissance Faire. It’s worth a listen, y’know?--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Oct 18, 2021 • 1h 27min
Woke Antisemitism with Andrew Pessin
The Dorx welcome lively philosophy professor and author Andrew Pessin, whose recent satirical novel about campus culture, Nevergreen, humorously conveys the horror of getting cancelled. This inevitably leads to discussion of the Anti-Defamation League’s “Pryramid of Hate,” which, by the end of the episode, Nina deftly synthesizes with the USDA’s Food Pyramid. Corinna asserts, “universities are in the business of transferring wealth from students to administrators,” and repeatedly declares he is NOT JEWISH, unlike Andrew (a Zionist) and Nina (not a Zionist), who blithely argue about Zionism the way only a couple American Jews can.Links:Andrew Pessin’s website: https://andrewpessin.com/Nevergreen: https://andrewpessin.com/nevergreen/ADL Pyramid of Hate: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of-hate.pdfUSDA Food Pyramid: https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPLargeGIF.gifThis Land Is Mine: https://vimeo.com/50531435From Seder-Masochism: https://vimeo.com/263398514Nina on hate: Love Thine Enemy https://blog.ninapaley.com/2021/09/27/love-thy-enemy/Nina relates Zionism to Transactivism: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2018/02/07/gender_colonialism/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Sep 30, 2021 • 1h 46min
Gettin' Philosophical with Alex Byrne
The Dorx interrogate MIT Professor Alex Byrne, to find out what the heck happened to academic Philosophy. But first, Corinna identifies as some brand of chocolate. Alex illuminates Feminist Philosophy, differences between philosophers, and the mental aspects of his beer, while Corinna asserts the immutability of sex and mens’ eagerness to eject their “feminine” brothers from the male sex class. Finally, Nina detransitions from humanhood and re-identifies as a Martian.Alex Byrne’s Philosophy: Minds and Machines: https://youtu.be/DfgCJR7xKQ0--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Sep 21, 2021 • 1h 15min
Goin' Tribal with Derrick Jensen
Derrick “Kid Kaboom” Jenson, author of 10,000 books translated into 2,000 languages, shares both untrue and true stories about the environmental movement, and why “Sustainable Development” is an oxymoron. After a short break for Derrick to get wild bears to stop banging on his windows, the Dorx discuss the heartbreak of witnessing the destruction of wild habitats and the suffering of nonhuman species. Later, they try to define religion, and debate whether “a language is a dialect with an army, a religion is a cult with a state.” The conversation is so much fun that Corinna, Nina, and Derrick form a little cult of their own!Derrick Jensen’s website: https://derrickjensen.org/Bright Green Lies: https://www.brightgreenlies.com/book--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe