On with Kara Swisher

In this conversation, David Gelles, a New York Times reporter and author of 'Dirtbag Billionaire,' dives into the remarkable journey of Patagonia's founder, Yvon Chouinard. Gelles discusses how Chouinard redefined capitalism with sustainability in mind, contrasting it with tech billionaires. He explores Patagonia’s struggle between the mission and product development, tackles the pressing issues of greenwashing, and reveals the innovative ownership structure that ensures profits benefit the environment. Plus, hear thoughts on the role of AI in corporate responsibility.

In a lively conversation, Judd Apatow—writer, director, and producer known for hits like The 40-Year-Old Virgin—dives into the evolution of comedy. He shares insights from his visual memoir, discussing the cultural impact of his raunchy comedies and the challenges of navigating today's meme politics. Judd reflects on AI's role in comedy, pondering whether it can ever be genuinely funny. He also touches on the significance of mentorship and the need for authentic storytelling in a rapidly changing entertainment landscape.

Elie Honig, CNN senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, dives into the history of the DOJ's independent investigations, from Nixon to Trump, in his gripping discussion. He explores the vulnerability of the DOJ’s independence and how the Trump administration's tactics have impacted accountability. Honig critiques notable figures like Comey and Mueller, discusses proposed reforms for special counsels, and warns of retribution fueled by Trump's public calls for prosecution. A fascinating look at the complexities of justice in politically charged times!

In this engaging discussion, Bernie Sanders, the renowned Independent U.S. Senator from Vermont and author of Fight Oligarchy, tackles the influence of billionaires on democracy. He shares insights from his Fighting Oligarchy tour and underscores the need for everyday Americans to mobilize against authoritarianism. Bernie critiques the GOP's portrayal of protests and emphasizes a working-class agenda to counter Trump. He also touches on the importance of supporting progressive candidates and foresees a bright future for the progressive movement inspired by new leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Futurist Martin Ford, author of 'Rise of the Robots', and labor economist Betsey Stevenson, former U.S. Department of Labor official, explore the dual-edged sword of AI in the workforce. They discuss the potential job displacement across sectors and the historical context of technological shifts. The conversation spans the debate on universal basic income versus digital dividends, and the importance of adapting education for future needs. Finally, they address crucial questions about finding meaning in a world where work may radically change.

Former Vice President Kamala Harris shares insights from her new book, "107 Days," exploring the 2024 campaign and the dangers to democracy. She discusses Trump's manipulation of justice and how citizens can maintain hope amid authoritarian threats. Harris addresses the tech industry's influence, highlighting concerns over misinformation and social media's harms, especially to children. She emphasizes the need for local leadership in the Democratic Party and encourages Americans to engage in the fight against autocracy with optimism.

Brené Brown, a renowned researcher and bestselling author, joins to discuss transformative leadership from her latest work, 'Strong Ground.' She warns against the pitfalls of 'power over' leadership and emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and courage. The conversation delves into AI's impact on human connection and the complexity of modern leadership amidst uncertainty. Brené critiques the traditional corporate mindset, highlighting the need for ethical, long-term stewardship while exploring how humiliation can undermine leadership integrity.

Bobbi Brown, the visionary founder of Bobbi Brown Cosmetics and now Jones Road, shares her journey from pioneering natural beauty to reinventing herself in her 60s. She discusses her exit from Estée Lauder and the challenges of a non-compete clause, emphasizing resilience in starting anew. Bobbi also explores the beauty industry's shift to social media and the importance of authenticity. With her new brand, she targets inclusivity and minimalism, aiming to help women of all ages embrace their natural beauty.

Christopher Eisgruber, President of Princeton University and constitutional scholar, dives into the complexities of free speech on campuses. He discusses his book, terms of respect, highlighting the challenges universities face under recent political pressures. Eisgruber emphasizes the need for robust academic freedom while critiquing the impact of social media on cancel culture. He also warns about the long-term effects of hostile government policies on higher education and advocates for constructive dialogue amidst polarization. His insights shed light on the future of academic discourse.

Sen. Tina Smith, a U.S. Senator from Minnesota and former lieutenant governor, opens up about her surprising decision to retire early after just one term. She tackles pressing issues, including the looming government shutdown and the alarming rise of political violence, marked by the tragic assassination of her colleague. Smith emphasizes the need for Democrats to adopt clearer strategies and highlights the importance of encouraging younger leaders to step up and reshape the party's future in challenging times.