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Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]
Reality isn’t what you’ve been told. Cosmosis is your portal to the mysteries of UFOs, consciousness, non-human intelligence, and the unknown. Hosted by Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King, this channel is your gateway to conversations at the bleeding edge of human discovery and the hidden forces shaping our world.
We bring you in-depth interviews with the most compelling voices in the field—researchers, experiencers, scientists, and visionaries—who challenge mainstream narratives and push the limits of what we think we know.
If you're ready to question everything and embrace the mystery, you're in the right place. Subscribe now and join us on the journey.
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Latest episodes

Apr 27, 2023 • 1h 14min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 21: Dr. James Madden [Pt 2]: Unidentified Flying Hyperobject
Today we welcome back Dr. James Madden to the show. As I’m sure you’ll recall, Jim joined us a couple of months ago for a discussion about Plato’s Cave. We also discussed some of his latest work applying the philosophical concept of the umwelt to the UFO phenomenon. And I was really excited to see that that episode has become one of the most listened to episodes of the podcasts, because it’s definitely one of my favorites. If you haven’t listened to that episode yet, I highly recommend that you go back to that one first. Jim’s work builds on itself, and it will be helpful to lay down the foundation with that episode before moving onto this one.In this episode, we’ll be moving on to Dr. Madden’s latest work. Over the last few months, in a flurry of articles released through his Substack, Jim has laid out a series of arguments as to the nature of the UFO phenomenon that are, frankly, mind blowing. It’s not over-stating things to say that what Jim has done is to essentially break ufology–and I mean that in the best possible way. Because, in many ways, it’s been clear to anyone who is really paying attention that the traditional models and ontologies that have dominated modern ufology have needed to break. We began this podcast talking about what the UFO phenomenon might be, and we did a deep dive into the primary hypotheses including extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial, interdimensional, extraterrestrial, etc. And all of those models are really useful for helping us to push our thinking about what the intelligence behind UFOs may represent. But if we’re being really honest with ourselves, we have to admit that none of them really fit. They come close in some ways, fall short in others, and ultimately leave us feeling like we’re trying to stretch a full-sized sheet over a queen-sized bed. What we’ve needed–desperately–is a model that would collapse all of those ontological categories and integrate them into a larger, more coherent whole. And I’d argue that what Dr. Madden is postulating with regard to the UFO phenomenon does exactly that. I truly believe that what he is pointing to here is the future of ufology. This work is urgent and critically important for us moving forward.NEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowGET THE EPISODE BRIEFDR. JAMES MADDEN’S WORKThe SubstackArticles Referenced In This Episode:UFO Realism and the Uber-UmweltUnidentified Flying HyperobjectMagonia as HyperobjectThe UFO, Religion, and Our Epistemic VulnerabilityFOLLOW DR. JAMES MADDENWebsiteTwitterOTHER WORK REFERENCEDHyperobjects: Philosophy and Ecology after the End of the World (Posthumanities) by Timothy MortonThe Third Table by Graham HarmanThe Will to Power by Friedrich NietzscheThus Spoke Zarathustra: A Book for Everyone and No One by Friedrich NietzscheBECOME A PATRONGET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICTheme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.

Apr 19, 2023 • 1h 42min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 20: An Interview with Dr. Iya Whiteley feat. Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka
Dr. Iya Whiteley, a space psychologist, discusses her background in psychology and cognitive engineering. She talks about designing equipment and training programs for extreme environments, improving the reporting culture around UFOs, and the transformative power of engaging with babies. They also explore the concept of an Earth language and the power of curiosity and communication.

Apr 6, 2023 • 46min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] UFO Disclosure News: An Interview with Christopher Sharp of Liberation Times
As predicted, 2023 has already been a massive year for the UFO disclosure movement. As we seemingly gain momentum, and with a fresh round of congressional hearings on UAPs potentially just around the corner, this felt like the perfect moment to dive into the progress made so far.And there’s no one better for this conversation than Christopher Sharp of the Liberation Times. Chris is an independent journalist hailing from the UK who has consistently been beating the mainstream media to the punch on some of the biggest stories related to UFO disclosure. The nuance and deep investigation that he brings to his work is one of the very few beacons of true journalism in this field. Beyond his work with the Liberation Times, Chris also regularly writes for the Daily Mail.In this episode Chris shares:🛸 What he's hearing from his sources about the origins of the mysterious objects shot down in Feb🛸 The surprising source for the push for disclosure🛸 What we can expect from upcoming Congressional UFO hearings (and when those might happen)🛸 The scandal hiding in plain sight that has Congress finally clocking in on the UFO issue🛸 And moreNEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowGO TO EPISODE BRIEFFOLLOW CHRIS SHARP & LIBERATION TIMESLiberation Times WebsiteLiberation Times TwitterLiberation Times PatreonChristopher Sharp TwitterBECOME A PATRONGET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICTheme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.

Mar 30, 2023 • 1h 17min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] UFO Secrets Inside Wright-Patterson: An Interview with Thomas J. Carey
In this episode, I talk to Thomas J. Carey, the co-author of UFO Secrets Inside Wright-Patterson. Along with his co-author, Donald R. Schmitt, Carey has spent over 30 years investigating the Roswell incident and tracing the trail of the materials and bodies that were recovered there all the way to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and beyond. They have published a dozen books on the subject (links below).Among the many stunning revelations in this episode is the true identity and location of the fabled Hangar 18, the 2 undeniable smoking guns of the Roswell incident, an in-depth account of what became of the infamous “memory metal” recovered at Roswell, and detailed accounts of the non-human pilots of these craft.NEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowGO TO EPISODE BRIEFGET THE BOOKGet your copy of UFO Secrets Inside Wright-Patterson by Thomas J. Carey & Donald SchmittBECOME A PATRONGET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICTheme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.

Mar 23, 2023 • 1h 24min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] The Ohio UFO Heritage Conference: In The Shadow of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
Guests like James Fox, Bryce Zabel, and Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka discuss interesting topics such as the evolution of humans and close encounters, the complicated relationship between UFO experiences and media portrayal, and coincidences and synchronicities in UFO research. The speakers also reflect on the impact of COVID-19 and share their excitement for meeting someone at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

Mar 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Ep 19: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 1]: Everything You Know Is Wrong
This episode explores the brokenness of our current models, including the Big Bang, consciousness, quantum mechanics, and space-time. It challenges the official narrative of reality and introduces a new paradigm. The episode also discusses the importance of self-care and therapy, as well as the mystery of life's origin and consciousness. It delves into the process of sight and the subjective nature of consciousness.

Feb 9, 2023 • 2h 5min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 18: An Interview with Dr. James Madden: Philosophy & UFOs
Dr. James Madden, a philosophy professor, discusses the philosophical implications of the UFO phenomenon including Plato's Cave, Heidegger's influence on ufology, and Aristotle's natural theology. They also explore personal perspectives on UFOs, the connection between studying UFOs and morality, embracing new ideas, the relationship between technology and humanity, ancient Greek philosophy, interlocking hierarchies, selective perception, and the intersection of philosophy, religion, and the paranormal.

Jan 26, 2023 • 1h 38min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 17: An Interview with Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka
In this episode, I’m bringing you an interview with one of my personal heroes, Dr. Diana Walsh Paslka. Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka is a professor of religious studies and Chair of the Department of Philosophy and Religion at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington. She holds a bachelor’s from UC Davis, a master’s from Berkeley, and a Ph.D. from Syracuse University. She is the author of Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture and American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology, which we will be discussing in this interview.NEW Class from Dr. James MaddenUnidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the WorldFour-week online class via ZoomWednesdays, March 27 – April 24 (skips April 10), 20247 – 9 pm ETLearn More About the ClassSign Up NowLISTEN TO THESE EPISODES FIRSTIf you aren’t already familiar with Diana’s work, you’ll definitely want to start with these two episodes before listening to this interview to get the full context of our conversation.Ep 11: Nazis & UFOs [Pt. 1]: The Emergence Of UFO LoreEp 16: The Sky Calls To Us: The Occult Origins Of The Space RaceGET DR. DIANA WALSH PASULKA’S BOOKSAmerican Cosmic: UFO’s, Religion TechnologyHeaven Can Wait: Purgatory In Catholic Devotional And Popular CultureMENTIONED IN THE EPISODEThe Question Concerning Technology by Martin HeideggerWhat Is Called Thinking? by Martin HeideggerDiscourse On Thinking by Martin HeideggerI, Product by Jacques ValleeSociety of the Spectacle by Guy DubordRepublic by PlatoDr. James MaddenMarie Mutsuki Mockett2001: A Space OdysseyNopeBECOME A PATRONGET THE BOOKGet a SIGNED COPYGet it on AmazonFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICTheme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonTIMESTAMPS00:00:30 Intro00:05:03 How does a scholar of religion end up writing a book about UFOs? [Backstory of American Cosmic]00:10:57 Why the next big breakthrough in the space program will come from the field of religious studies.00:14:33 What can we learn from studying Tyler’s protocols?00:18:14 What should we make of the simplicity of Tyler’s protocols?00:22:43 What is Tyler communicating with?00:26:07 What’s going on in the space program?00:30:25 Civil religion & UFOs00:34:11 Having a front row seat to the birth of a myth/belief/religion00:38:15 Diana’s transition from UFO atheist to UFO agnostic00:43:39 “The Question Concerning Technology” by Martin Heidegger00:57:36 What does the Monolith in Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey tell us about the relationship between media and technology?01:04:39 Jordan Peele’s Nope and the relationship between media and belief01:08:32 Society of the Spectacle01:13:17 Plato’s Cave01:24:21 Plato’s Republic & the impossibility of justice01:26:45 Ontological shock & re-entering the cave01:29:34 The danger of Technology01:34:48 What to expect from Diana’s new bookBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.

Jan 20, 2023 • 1h 18min
[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 16: The Sky Calls To Us: The Occult Origins Of The Space Race
This episode explores the occult origins of the space race, revealing that many of the fathers of modern space flight were occultists who believed in communication with non-human intelligences. It discusses the work of Jack Parsons and Russian Cosmists, as well as the ongoing use of occult practices among top members of the space program. The chapter also explores the dangers of esoteric belief systems and delves into the involvement of non-human intelligence in the US space program.

Jan 7, 2023 • 17min
Announcements: What To Expect In 2023 [I'm So Excited!]
It's a brand new year, and I have so many exciting updates to share with you all about the podcast—including the fact that you're about to get a WHOLE LOT more episodes! Get all of these updates, including when you can expect episode 16, in this quick bonus episode.TRY BETTERHELPThis episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/ RABBITHOLE and get on your way to being your best self.GET ZENCASTR"Use my special link zen.ai/rabbit30 and use rabbit30 to save 30% off your first three months of Zencastr professional. #madeonzencastr."WONGO PUZZLESUse my special link [https://zen.ai/rabbit10] to save 10% at wongopuzzles.com. The discount will be applied at checkout! LISTEN TO THE RABBIT HOLE COVERSATIONSApple PodcastsSpotifyAlso available wherever else you listen to podcasts. BECOME A PATRONBUY THE BOOKFOLLOWWebsiteTwitterFacebookMUSICMain Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun FrearsonThe UFO Rabbit Hole Conversations Theme: The Uh Experiment by RimskyMusicBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-ufo-rabbit-hole-podcast--5746035/support.