For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

As we journey into this Advent season, Scott Erickson, better known to most by his moniker in the internet and art world as Scott the Painter, discusses his journey of faith and the creation of his 'Honest Advent,' project aimed at reinterpreting traditional Christmas narratives through a lens of vulnerability and authenticity. He reflects on the paradoxes of belief, the importance of community, and the need for honest conversations about faith and the human experience, particularly during the Advent season. With a great deal of compassion and humor, Scott shares insights into his creative process, the significance of connection in his work (which has resonated so deeply with his community that many have it tattooed on their bodies), and the need for honest spiritual experiences in today's world. His work is not just visually beautiful. It’s also meaningful, bringing a beautiful new approach to an old and familiar story.Thought-provoking Quotes:“As an artist, I love the brand of Christmas – red and green, complimentary colors. I love the music – the soundtrack, I love all of it. But I thought, is this a distraction from life or is this a hopeful message for the reality of it?” – Scott Erickson“I want to know if I should just give up on my beliefs. If God’s not in the world and this isn’t a story that’s happening, then I just want to move on. But, if we are celebrating this thing and if it is happening, then that’s what my invitation is. By going through those things, and thinking through, and praying through, and then creating out of it, the fact that it then becomes a path for others to walk, that’s the greatest gift in making art.” – Scott Erickson “It’s amazing, the alchemy of what happens when you hand the work over and then it becomes something new in the hands of your audience and the people that are experiencing it and they bring a story to it that you couldn’t even fathom. You’ve done your part, you did the creation part, stewarding your gift, putting it out there to the best of your ability and then they take it and it becomes something more. I’ll never get over that exchange.” – Jen HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode:FitBit - https://store.google.com/category/trackersScott’s Tattoo FAQ - https://www.scottericksonart.com/tattoo-faqSay Yes: Discover the Surprising Life beyond the Death of a Dream by Scott Erickson - https://amzn.to/3AEVfaoScott Erickson’s Shows - https://www.scottericksonart.com/showsThe Enneagram Institute Personality Types - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Honest Advent: Awakening to the Wonder of God-with-Us Then, Here, and Now by Scott Erickson - https://amzn.to/4fgK6fcGuest’s Links:Scott’s website - https://www.scottericksonart.com/Scott’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/scottthepainterScott’s Twitter - https://x.com/scottthepainterScott’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/scottthepainterScott’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@scottericksonartScott’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/scottthepainter/_created/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today, Jen gets to fulfill a dream of interviewing one of her favorite influences and mentors in the food world. The iconic six-time James Beard award-winning Ruth Reichl sits down with Jen to discuss her extensive impact on food culture spanning the last several decades. They hit on everything from the alarming state of the modern food industrial complex, how we source our food and the impacts it poses to our health (as well as the hope they see for our future), to what it has been like to document the evolution of food across the changing media landscape of print media and the internet. Ruth reflects on highlights from her career as a chef, food critic, editor, tv personality, author, novelist and documentarian and discusses the challenges and joys of her various roles in the culinary world, including the emotional toll of her work which has garnered both admiration and criticism.***Thought-provoking Quotes:The way that we eat, the way we have handed over our health, our environment, our communities to the idea of industrialized food is truly terrifying. – Ruth ReichlThe more you say no, the more people want you. – Ruth ReichlAlmost no one likes what is written about them. No matter how flattering a portrait may be, people don’t like it. So when it’s really not flattering, people don’t like it. – Ruth ReichlResources Mentioned in This Episode:Food and Country Film - https://www.foodandcountryfilm.com/Michael Pollan - https://amzn.to/4g1bkGVBarbara Kingsolver - https://amzn.to/3D0fv7fWhite Oak Pastures - https://whiteoakpastures.com/Gourmet Magazine - https://bit.ly/3D2LN1BTender at the Bone: Growing Up at the Table by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/3OEwjmSCondé Nast - https://www.cntraveler.com/contributor/ruth-reichlNew York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/by/ruth-reichlGarlic and Sapphires: The Secret Life of a Critic in Disguise by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/4ifrUo9The Paris Novel by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/3BfyUk4Save Me the Plums: My Gourmet Memoir by Ruth Reichl - https://amzn.to/49vwfiXGuest’s Links:Ruth’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ruth.reichl/Ruth’s Twitter - https://x.com/ruthreichlRuth’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/@ruthreichlbooksRuth’s Substack - https://ruthreichl.substack.com/Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this conversation, recorded the morning after the presidential election, comedy phenom Tig Notaro joins Jen and Amy (donned head to toe in black in mourning) to unpack the events of the day and to help them find their happy place in the world again, which she accomplishes with tactical success. By the end of the show, they’ve laughed so hard, they’ve forgotten most of their cares. In this episode, Tig regales us with her journey as an Emmy and Grammy-nominated comedian, the influence of her free-spirited mother, and how her family dynamics (and a few hilarious stories from her boys) have shaped her comedy. She also reflects on her journey of authenticity, what it means to be an icon in the LGBTQ+ community, and the significance of being true to oneself. In Rant or Rave, Jen and Amy muse about whether or not they have the chops to make it in stand-up, and we learn that Amy definitely has a deep well of material at her disposal. Speaking of which, be sure to listen for Tig’s story about the weirdest gig she’s ever performed!***Thought-provoking Quotes: One of the things my mother told me growing up was to tell everyone to go to hell if they had a problem with me. And I certainly do not walk around telling everyone to go to hell but I think there’s this thing in me, whether you know I was told that or not, I think people can tell that I don’t have a desperation and I’m not going to do backflips for anybody. – Tig NotaroI didn’t bust out of the closet. I went through my own process of figuring things out. I wasn’t born knowing I was gay. When I did come out, it was just an authentic feeling and decision of, this is who I am. – Tig NotaroResources Mentioned in This Episode:Annette Benning - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000906/John Travolta - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000237Cher - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000333Olivia Coleman - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1469236/Broadchurch - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2249364/Wicked Little Letters - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20234774/Taika Waititi - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0169806/Ryan Reynolds - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005351Denzel Washington - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000243Julia Roberts - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000210Notting Hill - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125439Jason Bateman - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000867Smartless Docuseries - https://play.max.com/show/f8c800e3-7639-4883-a0f1-8eb5adbb5cedI’m Just a Person by Tig Notaro - https://amzn.to/3ZjlfQYTig: A Netflix Documentary - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3986532/One Mississippi TV series - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4947608/Under a Rock with Tig Notaro - https://www.amazon.com/Under-Rock-Tig-Notaro/dp/B07SJZ4TKMKevin Nealon - https://www.instagram.com/kevinnealon/This American Life with Ira Glass - https://www.thisamericanlife.org/Star Trek: Discovery - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/Hello Again - https://www.amazon.com/Tig-Notaro-Hello-Again/dp/B0CV4FNJ27Guest’s Links:Tig’s website - https://tignation.com/Tig’s Twitter - https://x.com/tignotaroTig’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tignotarocomedy/Tig’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tig+notaroHandsome Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/handsome/id1702258458Don’t Ask Tig Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dont-ask-tig/id1523507379Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerJen’s Holiday Gift Guide - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/gift-guideThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Office co-stars and best friends, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey, are doing the ultimate Office-lovers podcast for you. Each week Jenna and Angela will dive deeper into The Office giving you access to even more behind the scene details, interviews and lots of stories that only two best friends who were there, can tell you. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week we welcome back a treasured friend of this show, renowned design guru and the heartbeat of the Fab Five, Bobby Berk!  It’s been four years since we last talked to Bobby so we have a lot of ground to cover in this episode. Bobby tells us about the designers like Michael Graves and Isaac Mizrahi who he drew inspiration from early in his career. He tells stories about his humble beginnings with retail gigs at stores like Bed Bath & Beyond and Restoration Hardware – maybe part of what makes him so relatable? – and how his career as a designer blossomed from there.And with the holidays upon us, we also take the opportunity to ask Bobby about how he celebrates (or survives) the holidays. He offers some great insights on instituting some personal boundaries to maintain sanity that are not too late to put into rotation this year.***Thought-provoking Quotes:“At my grandparents' A-frame cabin in Colorado, every square inch was red, and I mean R-E-D shag carpet and it looked like a whole gaggle of muppets laying on the ground….and I think I liked it. I remember laying on the ground threading my fingers through the carpet.” – Jen Hatmaker“I loved going to my friends houses where it was just cool and calm and nothing to look at. But honestly that’s not what I’m drawn to anyway. My house looks like a rainbow exploded. I have a kelly green velvet couch, a gallery wall that has every single color. I’ve got some bat shit wallpaper going on. I’ve decorated it like I’ve never seen the color gray.” – Amy Hardin“I’m drawn to spaces that have life in them, I like color – I like it when a room is even outrageous. Whether or not I would exactly do that thing, I think, ‘I like where your head is at’”. – Jen Hatmaker“You’re the CEO of your own instincts and design and if you love it, it’s going to work.” – Bobby BerkResources Mentioned in This Episode:Queer Eye for the Straight Guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_Eye_(2003_TV_series)Queer Eye - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_Eye_(2018_TV_series)Queer Eye on Netflix - https://www.netflix.com/title/80160037Series 26: Episode 02: Queer Eye’s Bobby Berk on the Fire Inside Us All - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-26/queer-eyes-bobby-berk-and-the-fire-inside-us-all/BobbyBerk.com - https://bobbyberk.com/Right at Home: How Good Design Is Good for the Mind: An Interior Design Book by Bobby Berk - https://amzn.to/3A7TjXTWhen Jen met Bobby in Mexico - https://www.instagram.com/p/B5HMYkUASvc/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Tripointe Homes Style Finder Quiz - https://bobby-berk.tripointehomes.com/style-finder/Michael Graves - https://michaelgraves.com/Michael Graves Target  Collaboration - https://michaelgraves.com/product/target-products/Isaac Mizrahi Target Collaboration - https://www.target.com/b/isaac-mizrahi/-/N-s73qoJen’s master bathroom remodel - https://www.instagram.com/p/DB38zmHOrYU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==Bobby at the 76th Emmy’s - https://www.instagram.com/p/C__NYm2yz8G/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==RuPaul’s Drag Race - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1353056/Celebrity Holiday Homes on HGTV - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1519269/Guest’s Links:Bobby’s website - https://bobbyberk.com/Bobby’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bobby/Bobby’s Twitter - https://x.com/bobbyberkBobby’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BobbyBerkOfficialBobby’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bobbyBobby’s Pinterest - https://www.pinterest.com/bobbyberk/ Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We’re going deep into the archives to pull out a special conversation for this week’s bonus episode with our most beloved friend, Grammy Award-winning singer/songwriter, Amy Grant. The last time Jen and Amy sat down together, it was on the heels of an exhausting,arduous time in our county. Back then, Amy delivered some profound words of wisdom in the peaceful, soothing way that only she can. And we felt her words would be a welcome balm to soothe our weary souls today so we’ve brought it back for you to enjoy as a bonus episode!In addition to some very timely words of wisdom from Amy, this episode covers: Navigating life's difficulties while maintaining a positive outlook — Amy shares a touching story about the final lesson she’s learned from her parents Amy discusses her journey of healing from unexpected open heart surgery and she and Jen talk about learning to respect their bodies and live more in balance The importance of community and support systems, especially when enduring hard circumstances The complexities of cancel culture which has come for Amy on more than one occasion in her career and personal life The evolution of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) and the “The Queen of Christian Pop’s” impact on music that transcends genres and generations ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“Everybody brings different things to the table. Rapid-fire conversation or investigative or deep conversations might not be their comfort zone but there are other things that are. – Amy Grant“I have my hands on my own wheel. I can’t steer anybody else’s opinions. I can’t steer anybody else’s choices. But I’ve got to own mine.” – Amy Grant“When I was younger, I thought if I don’t say yes to everything, it’ll all stop. It’ll all dry up. It won’t keep coming. It’s my yeses that keep the energy moving forward. But I found out that’s not true at all. That was a fake story. It was just the scarcity mindset.” – Jen Hatmaker“Ask different questions. The next step, the next opportunity, the next enlightenment, the next everything for all of us is within reach. It always has been.” – Amy GrantResources Mentioned in This Episode:Jen at the Amy Grant concert in Austin 2023 - https://www.instagram.com/p/CxvoBcbujuB/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this special episode, Jen and Amy get a visit from a Hollywood darling we’ve loved in countless films and shows like The Descendants, Archer, 27 Dresses, Arrested Development and 13 Going on 30 to talk about her newest project based on the beloved children’s book, The Best Christmas Pageant Ever! Actress Judy Greer talks about what it’s like to collaborate on such a treasured holiday story that she somehow missed out on as a kid but was lucky enough to discover when she was cast for the role. She sets the scene for what it was like to film the movie last fall in wintry Winnipeg with a cast full of kids on set and also takes a moment to share some highlights from earlier in her career.Also in this episode:  Amy and Jen talk about their mixed feelings toward pageants and public performances. As you might guess, one of them loves them, one hates them. In our GenXcellence segment, Jen and Amy recount their first movie-without-parents experiences. And we Rant or Rave about decorating the house at Christmastime. ***Thought-provoking Quotes: “I directed so many programs with my sisters and my girl cousins, and my parents were very, very mediocre audience members. If you’re going to have four kids, guess what you get to do? You’re going to sit on the brown corduroy couch and watch our shitty programs. That’s part of the deal. We practiced for six hours. I had choreography. At one point, I gave Lindsay an umbrella that she had to open at just the right lyric in the song and the bitch could not do it and it was so upsetting.” – Jen Hatmaker “I think what’s so beautiful about this story is that it’s about unity, and compassion, and empathy. And it’s about being welcoming.” – Judy GreerResources Mentioned in This Episode:48 Hours movie (1982) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083511/Film Rating Guide - https://www.motionpictures.org/film-ratings/Top Gun movie (1986) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/The Shining movie (1980) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/Alamo Drafthouse Cinema - https://drafthouse.com/austin37th Street Austin Light Display - https://www.instagram.com/37thstreetlights/Arrested Development - https://www.netflix.com/title/7014035813 Going on 30 movie (2004) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/The Descendants movie (2011) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1033575/I Don’t Know What You Know Me From: Confessions of a Co-Star by Judy Greer - https://amzn.to/4hiDC0yThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever: A Christmas Holiday Book for Kids by Barbara Robinson - https://amzn.to/3YzrNfhThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever movie (2024) - https://bestchristmaspageantever.movie/Archer - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486217/Citizen Ruth movie (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115906/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1Dallas Jenkins - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420817/?ref_=tt_ov_dr_1Pete Holmes - https://peteholmes.com/Guest’s Links:Judy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/missjudygreerJudy’s Twitter - https://x.com/missjudygreerJudy’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudyGreer/Movie Links:The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bestchristmaspageantevermovie/The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BestChristmasPageantEverMovieThe Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Twitter - https://x.com/BCPEMovieConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Let’s be honest: there are seasons in life when things feel heavy and hard and the thought of breaking through the noise and negativity seems impossible. But with a little retooling of perspective, you can shift the conversation to one that is more productive and more hope-filled. In this episode, Timothy Shriver discusses his lifelong commitment to promoting dignity and unity through his work with the Special Olympics and the Dignity Index. He shares practical steps (and real-life examples gleaned from guests of his brand new Need A Lift? podcast) to demonstrate how you can turn a difficult conversation into an opportunity to form a connection.And if that’s not enough, Jen and Amy dig into some of their biggest fears – the ones they want to Bless and Release. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“I was being invited into a world in which the pursuit of making the world better, more just, more hopeful was a joyful pursuit. It wasn’t a burden. It wasn’t a responsibility of commitment you had to keep.” – Tim Shriver"We need people willing to take a chance – on each other, on trying again, on their communities." – Tim Shriver“Without losing my passion, without losing my commitment to the issues, I can still treat people with dignity.” – Tim Shriver"Contempt for each other is the problem and treating each other with dignity is the solution." – Tim Shriver“We can’t get legislation in most states or at the Federal level that embodies either of those majority opinions [border security and gun control] because the contempt on the extremes is so dominating the conversation that our political leaders find it in their best interest not to solve the problem or too scary to try.” – Tim ShriverResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Special Olympics - https://www.specialolympics.org/Fully Alive: Discovering What Matters Most by Tim Shriver - https://amzn.to/3NXAie9The Dignity Index - https://www.dignity.us/Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-liftHow Michael and Nicole Phelps Unlearned the Fear of Losing - https://apple.co/3NGKiYIA Special Olympics Gold Medalist on Authenticity and Play: Loretta Claiborne - https://apple.co/4hhBbLFSimon Sinek Believes that Idealism Belongs In the Workplace - https://apple.co/4dXmjj0Taking Off Our Masks through Confession with Fr. Mike Schmitz - https://apple.co/48gAlLlGuest’s Links:Tim’s website - https://www.timothyshriver.com/Tim’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/timothyshriverTim’s Twitter - https://x.com/TimShriverTim’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/timshriver/Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-liftConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jen and Amy are beyond thrilled to welcome none other than late-night legend Stephen Colbert and his amazing wife, Evie McGee Colbert, to the show! They’re dishing about their brand-new cookbook, Does This Taste Funny?—a project born right in the middle of pandemic life at home. Stephen and Evie share the hilarious backstory of how this all came together, dive into their kitchen quirks (spoiler: they don’t always see eye-to-eye in the kitchen), and their mutual love for Gullah cuisine from the heart of South Carolina’s Lowcountry. From the joy of cooking together to a classic metal spoon disaster, it’s the perfect blend of laughter, food, and a little bit of chaos.On today’s show:  Jen and Amy discuss their mixed feelings about high school reunions Jen offers some sage guidance to young girls about how not to accessorize in their senior photos Amy shows off in front of the Colberts with her plate of (gluten-free) Patti McGee’s Cheese Biscuits from their cookbook The group tries to unpack what made our children’s generation so sensitive about food expiration dates  Stephen shares the story about how he got radicalized by fancy butter  ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“Anytime somebody brings me my own cookbook – which is only a few years old at this point – and it’s dirty, filthy, greasy, I am thrilled. It’s the best compliment.” – Jen Hatmaker“My mom grew up in the heyday of processed foods. She didn’t have a lot of recipes that didn’t come from the back of a bottle of chili sauce or a packet of dried soup mix. So that’s where I started my culinary journey.” – Stephen Colbert“Those people who have cooking shows are amazing. Shout out to anyone who has to cook and talk in front of a camera.” – Evie ColbertResources Mentioned in This Episode:Flavors: The Junior League of San Antonio (1978) - https://www.abebooks.com/9780961041601/Flavors-Junior-League-San-Antonio-0961041609/plpThe Pioneer Woman Cooks: Recipes from an Accidental Country Girl by Ree Drummond (2009) - https://amzn.to/3Ue0eWdThe Colbert Report - https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-colbert-report/umc.cmc.3k1kkmfgd34hfnk8mc6p1uj01"I Hope This Grief Stays With Me" - Andrew Garfield Fights Back Tears And Celebrates His Mom - YouTube - https://youtu.be/_u_TswLQ4ws?si=Ah2cbnW3-5AiyAlFThe Daily Show - https://www.cc.com/fan-hub/the-daily-showThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/After Midnight - https://www.cbs.com/shows/after-midnight/Montclair Film - https://montclairfilm.org/Does This Taste Funny?: Recipes Our Family Loves - https://amzn.to/3YoJeixFeed These People: Slam-Dunk Recipes for Your Crew by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/3BNozvMCandied Hot Peppers from Tiny Pizza Kitchen in Brooklyn - https://www.tinypizzakitchen.com/buy-chiliesGuest’s Links:Stephen’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stephenathome/Stephen’s Twitter - https://x.com/StephenAtHomeThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert Website - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/colbertlateshow/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Twitter - https://x.com/ColbertLateShowThe Late Show with Stephen Colbert Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/The Late Show with Stephen Colbert YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/ColbertLateShowConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Friends, today’s episode is a powerhouse! We’ve got Sharon McMahon, aka “America’s Government Teacher,” bringing some serious wisdom from her new book, "The Small and the Mighty." Even the drafters of the Constitution worried about chaos, but they hoped for better things—and Sharon’s here to show us how twelve lesser-known heroes in American history made a huge impact on democracy. She’s drawing parallels to how we can still shape our future today, no matter how small we feel. Get ready to be inspired, y’all! Let’s dive in!In this hope-filled chat: Jen and Amy muse around which historical figures they would most like to meet and we get a glimpse of their preferred election night routines Sharon highlights the arc of her career from an award-winning yarn influencer known as the Yarnista, to a photographer, to “America’s Government Teacher” We discuss the need for reliable sources of factual information in a world filled to the brim with fake news and disinformation Sharon explains why we shouldn’t sit out during state and local elections We talk about a variety of ways to engage in democracy beyond just voting And Sharon fields questions from members of our audience. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“We’re all tired, we’re exhausted from the endless partisanship and the fake news and the disinformation and vitriol.” – Jen Hatmaker“I started noticing that there were a lot of people that were just really confidently wrong on the internet, saying things like ‘the electoral college is a university you can graduate from’.”– Sharon McMahon“There’s a big list of people, especially women, who never, ever get the credit when it comes to the civil rights movement – it’s the attorneys, it's the Thurgood Marshalls, it’s the Freddie Grays,  it’s the Martin Luther Kings.,and, of course, what they did is incredibly important but… there are a lot of women with whom this hot air balloon does not get off the ground. There is no leaving the ground without the significant contributions of women.” – Sharon McMahon“We have to stop viewing this as a zero sum game in which our enemies must be defeated or destroyed. That’s an onramp to dictatorship.” – Sharon McMahon“There are many ways to be involved in democracy. It’s not just voting and running for office. There’s not one prescription for how to be involved. Do things you are good at and contribute in your own way. We can’t all be parade goers.” – Sharon McMahon“We tend to put all of our eggs in this basket of who will win the presidential election but who gets elected in your state matters so much. The things that really affect your daily life are defined at the state and local level.” – Sharon McMahonResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Henry Fite House of Baltimore - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fite_HouseThe Angry Trout Cafe, Grand Mariais, MN - https://www.angrytroutcafe.com/The Small and the Mighty: Twelve Unsung Americans Who Changed the Course of History, from the Founding to the Civil Rights Movement by Sharon McMahon - https://amzn.to/3NsoqjIGuest’s Links:Sharon’s website - https://sharonmcmahon.com/Sharon’s Newsletter, The Preamble - https://thepreamble.com/Sharon’s Governerds Book Club - https://sharonmcmahon.com/products/governerds-insiderSharon’s Here’s Where It Gets Interesting Podcast - https://sharonmcmahon.com/podcastSharon’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sharonsayssoSharon’s Twitter - https://x.com/sharon_says_soSharon’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/sharonsaysso/Sharon’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@sharonsayssoConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices