For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Buckle up, listeners. It was only a matter of time before our paths crossed with Mel Robbins, one of the most respected experts on change and motivation in the zeitgeist, and today is that day. Known for being the host of the #1 ranking education podcast in the world, bringing deeply relatable topics, tactical advice, tools, and compelling conversations to her audiences, Jen and Amy spend today’s hour diving into Mel’s “Let Them” theory, which is taking the world by storm, already delivering instant peace and freedom in the lives and relationships of people putting it into practice.Together, they discuss: The difference between “Let Them” and “Let Me” Learning to release the white-knuckle grip we hold over other people’s behavior (and other things beyond our control) Reframing disappointment to view it as a gift (yes, it’s possible!) Repositioning self-worth inward, rather than leaving it dependent on others' opinions. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“For a lot of women, we spend so much time upstairs in our heads as people-pleasers and over-analyzers, over-thinking and ruminating, trying to get things perfect. That’s the last place I should be, personally. I need to drop into my body and get out of my head.” – Mel Robbins“People reveal who they are and what they care about through their behavior. Ignore their words. Watch their behavior. Let people be who they are. Let them do what they’re going to do. Focusing on them is not where your power is.” – Mel Robbins“The difference between ‘not my business’ and ‘let them’ is worlds apart. When you say, ‘not my business’, you’re scolding yourself. With, ‘let them’, you’re in the power position because you see what’s happening and are choosing to allow it without allowing it. You’re rising above it.” – Mel Robbins“There’s something about learning that [people] aren’t ever going to change but that doesn’t mean your relationship can’t change for the better. When you let them be who they are, you create space for acceptance, the whole energy shifts.” – Mel RobbinsResources Mentioned in This Episode:Demotivators - https://despair.com/collections/Effin Birds on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/effinbirds/Van Morrison - https://www.vanmorrison.com/No Hard Feelings by the Avett Brothers - https://open.spotify.com/track/0bgQ1hQrpP6ScdBZlDfLE2Foo Fighters - https://foofighters.com/DePeche Mode - https://www.depechemode.com/The Cure - https://www.thecure.com/Taylor Swift - https://www.taylorswift.com/The 5 Second Rule: Transform Your Life, Work, and Confidence with Everyday Courage by Mel Robbins - https://amzn.to/427OHwuThe Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins - https://amzn.to/4hc53bEThe Mel Robbins Podcast - https://www.melrobbins.com/podcastThe Four Questions: For Henny Penny and Anybody with Stressful Thoughts by Byron Katie - https://amzn.to/3C7tKXTMy Legacy Podcast - https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-my-legacy-podcast-255793246/Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl - https://amzn.to/4ajbyazDr. Stuart Ablon - https://www.stuartablon.com/The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life by Mark Manson - https://amzn.to/3PCqxmiGuest’s Links:Mel’s website - https://www.melrobbins.com/Mel’s podcast - https://www.melrobbins.com/podcastMel’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/melrobbins/Mel’s Twitter - https://x.com/melrobbinsMel’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/melrobbinsMel’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/melrobbinsMel’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@melrobbinsConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:In this thought-provoking conversation, Jen and Amy speak with “poet laureate of the ordinary” Kelly Corrrigan about the valuable lessons from life she’s reflecting on in this season: the significance of saying hard things, the power of listening and understanding in relationships, observations from parenting and from a career as a writer, podcaster and storyteller, and the importance of participating in democracy, regardless of who is in power. In this episode, which was recorded on Election Day 2024 (prior to knowing the outcome) Kelly uses her trademark wit and steadfast wisdom to offer listeners evergreen words of encouragement for our political landscape and for our lives in whole.Segments:Bless & Release: Lies we tell ourselvesGenXcellence: MTV music videos***Thought-provoking Quotes:“We have created this way of interpreting someone changing their mind as a flip-flopper and we have left no room for someone to grow.” – Kelly Corrigan“Making is good for individual well-being. Having an inventor’s or innovator’s mindset is just good for society.” – Kelly Corrigan“Once you say something out loud, it just gets smaller. It packs less of a punch. It’s the stuff that we’re holding and never saying to anyone that’s going to be the death of us.” – Kelly CorriganResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Strumbellas - https://thestrumbellas.ca/Arcade Fire - https://www.arcadefire.com/Mt. Joy - https://www.mtjoyband.com/Bless and Release sweatshirt - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/collections/apparel-accessories/products/bless-release-sweatshirtJamie Wright - https://www.instagram.com/jamietheveryworst/MTV - https://www.mtv.com/American Bandstand TV show (1952-1989) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049993/Madonna - Like a Virgin - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__rX_WL100American Top 40 with Casey Kasem (1970-1988) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Top_40The Middle Place by Kelly Corrigan - https://amzn.to/3AgM14gTell Me More: Stories About the 12 Hardest Things I'm Learning to Say by Kelly Corrigan - https://amzn.to/3UGcjUfKelly’s IG post about the NYC Marathon - https://www.instagram.com/p/DB7IZumy6aR/National Lampoon’s Animal House film (1978) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/Nantucket Project - https://nantucketproject.com/Nantucket Project 2024 - Kelly Corrigan’s Annual Wrap-Up - https://nantucketproject.com/2-2024-gathering/Aspen Ideas Festival - https://www.aspenideas.org/TED - https://www.ted.com/Marianne the Maker by Kelly Corrigan and Claire Corrigan Lichty - https://amzn.to/4hBUY92George Sweetland (illustrator) - https://www.georgesweetland.org/Bryan Stevenson on Kelly Corrigan Wonders - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast/category/Bryan+StevensonJennifer Garner and Christy Turlington Burns on Kelly Corrigan Wonders - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jennifer-garner-and-christy-turlington-burns-talking-moms/id1532951390?i=1000654904522Steve Kerr on Kelly Corrigan Wonders - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcast/kerrkamauGuest’s Links:Kelly Corrigan Website - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/podcastKelly Corrigan Books - https://www.kellycorrigan.com/booksKelly’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kellycorrigan/Kelly’s Facebook -https://www.facebook.com/kellycorriganauthorKelly’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@kellycorriganvideoConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:Life throws some challenging stuff at us. Sometimes we rely on traditional therapies and resources trusted in Western medicine to help us through. And sometimes, we need to look to alternative and newly emerging tools to experience the relief or breakthrough that we need. In today’s conversation, Mimi Bouchard, founder of the Activations app (formerly known as Superuman) shares her transformative journey from a troubled adolescence marked by substance abuse and self-doubt to becoming a successful entrepreneur and advocate for personal development. She discusses how her unique approach to 'activations' has helped her and so many others achieve emotional and mental wellbeing by utilizing unique audios that are a mix between a motivational podcast, cinematic music and guided visualization.From guided visualization practices and breathwork to grounding, reiki, and other body work Jen and Amy also talk about other “woo-woo” wellness approaches that have been useful for them in their healing needs. For The Love listeners have an opportunity to try Activations at a steep discount on a yearly subscription by visiting activations.com/jen.***Thought-provoking Quotes:It was the beginning of a completely new life for me. I’m not going to say that I woke up the next day and I was perfect and completely transformed. It’s obviously a mega-journey and it’s not linear and growth is so messy. – Mimi Bouchard I had to believe in myself. The only thing that got me there was just this core deep belief in myself that I had to develop. I didn’t have that in my younger years. Doing this work of personal development was the only thing that mattered when everyone else doubted me. It drove me. At the end of the day, it’s a very lonely journey at the beginning. I had to be alone a lot. I had to be the only one who deeply believed in myself. – Mimi BouchardWhen you’re feeling alive, it slows down time. What a blessing to be able to slow down time – life goes by so quickly. The more things we can do to slow down time, the better our lives will be, and more clear. You have to unnumb yourself. When you numb yourself so much, it’s very hard to get clear or get unstuck. It’s very easy to stay in your old ways and just numb, numb, numb until you just feel nothing anymore. – Mimi BouchardI think so much of it is the intention with which you do things. If you are open-hearted and seeking, a lot of tools can benefit you. – Amy HardinResources Mentioned in This Episode:The Success Principles: How to Get from Where You Are to Where You Want to Be by Jack Canfield - https://amzn.to/3CYaVq7Activations App - https://www.superhuman.app/homeActivate Your Future Self: The Secret to Effortlessly Becoming the Happiest, Healthiest and Wealthiest You by Mimi Bouchard - https://amzn.to/4gck8t6Guest’s Links:Mimi’s website - https://www.mimibouchard.com/aboutMimi’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mimibouchardMimi’s Twitter - https://x.com/mimibouchardMimi’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/officialmimibouchardActivations App - https://www.superhuman.app/homeConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:In part two of this epic conversation, we continue our journey around the globe with SydneyHatmaker to hear about some of the amazing adventures and experiences had during her sixmonths travelling across Europe and Asia on a tiny budget.In this episode:● We hear how staying connected while travelling can have some serious pros and cons● Sydney tells us about the 200 hours of intense yoga training she underwent in themagical landscape of the Indian Himalayan Mountains● She tells us about her heart-pounding experience climbing a (LITERAL) active volcano,Mount Rinjani in Indonesia, and how it was the hardest thing she has ever done● And Sydney tells us how she ultimately decided that it was time to hang up the backpackand come back home.As you dream and make plans for 2025, we hope this episode inspires you to broaden yourhorizons, to take chances, and to say yes to new things. One thing we are sure of is that thisonce-in-a-lifetime adventure is sure to be repeated. The only question is where will we go?***Thought-provoking Quotes:I get why people climb mountains. It’s so empowering. You push up hard against the growingedge of your own limits. I didn’t even know that I was capable of pushing myself that hard. Youjust take that feeling and it's contagious, it spreads to other parts of your life. – SydneyHatmakerI met this amazing 70 year old woman in one of my hosels in Turkey who started backpackingwhen she retired. She had been all throughout the entirety of the Middle East. She was soincredible. We all gathered around her. She had the most incredible stories. – Sydney HatmakerResources Mentioned in This Episode:The 9 Enneagram Types Descriptions - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Skyscanner - https://www.skyscanner.com/Rick Steves Travel Guides - https://amzn.to/41mKeFXBerghain Techno Club in Berlin - https://bit.ly/4gfaMNqSagrada Familia - https://sagradafamilia.org/en/Jen’s MeCamp - https://bit.ly/3D1qX2IThe Banana Pancake Trail - https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/banana-pancake-trail/Hostel World - https://www.hostelworld.com/Pyramid Yogshala Yoga School - https://pyramidyogshala.com/Guest’s Links:Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:At 24 years old, Jennifer Hatmaker was parenting her first diaper baby on no sleep as a stay-at-home mom and pastor’s wife. By contrast, Jen’s second-born, Sydney Hatmaker, spent half of her 24th year on a gap year travelling the world and banking a lifetime of memories.In this special two-part conversation, Sydney walks us through some of the best moments and lessons learned from her life-changing adventure, beginning in May in Berlin and ending in October in Vietnam. With stops along the way in Sicily, Turkey, Portugal, Spain, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, and Thailand, Sydney gives us some of her best tips for travelling solo on a shoestring budget. It might entail a 40-hour journey taking a car to a bus to a ferry to a bus, to another ferry, to a train, to a taxi, to a scooter, to a hostel, all to save $60, but the point is it can be done and she’s here to inspire us all with tales from her adventure.Highlights from this conversation include: In our GenXcellence Travel-Edition, we reflect on what travel was like for us in the 80s-90s, before satellites and cell phones and Expedia (Sydney has never heard of Traveller’s Cheques)  Sydney gives us her best tips for getting into one of the world’s most popular techno clubs in Berlin (shh! It’s very hush-hush!) We learn about surfing camp on the coastline of the Portuguese Riviera  Why you need to budget more for European travel than Asian travel and how you can eat in Asia on $4 a day Sydney talks about learning to be comfortable travelling on her own and being in her own company – something she thought she was already good at but was pushed to new limits And a lot more….. Be sure to tune in for part two of our conversation next week to hear how the story ends. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:I didn’t have a phone for the last two months of my trip. I still had a laptop so when I was at the hostel on wifi, I could do research and book things but it was a different kind of travel. I made the most of it and it ended up being a bit of an adventure.I obviously had an initial reaction of panic (not having a phone) but then I felt this complete freedom. – Sydney HatmakerI did have some big ideas that I would get something out of my system on this trip, that I would come home and settle down, get a real job, root down in one place but halfway through my trip I realized there is so much more (in the world) that I want to see. There’s so much to do, so much to see and explore and so many ways to make it happen. – Sydney Hatmaker Travelling feels different and way more real when you’re by yourself. I love my own company and my company is better than some random person that I’m not really connecting with. And realizing that, makes it really easy to connect with more people. – Sydney Hatmaker Resources Mentioned in This Episode:The 9 Enneagram Types Descriptions - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/Skyscanner - https://www.skyscanner.com/Rick Steves Travel Guides - https://amzn.to/41mKeFXBerghain Techno Club in Berlin - https://bit.ly/4gfaMNqSagrada Familia - https://sagradafamilia.org/en/Jen’s MeCamp - https://bit.ly/3D1qX2IThe Banana Pancake Trail - https://trail.bananabackpacks.com/banana-pancake-trail/Hostel World - https://www.hostelworld.com/Pyramid Yogshala Yoga School - https://pyramidyogshala.com/Guest’s Links:Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen and Amy sit down with actress, musician, and author Bethany Joy Lenz to discuss her deeply personal memoir, Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!). Bethany opens up about her experience in a high-control group, known as “The Big House Family” religious cult, the complexities of spiritual abuse, and how she found her way back to faith and autonomy with the help of a One Tree Hill fan. They explore themes of manipulation, resilience, and the power of telling your story.This raw and inspiring conversation offers hope, clarity, and empowerment for anyone navigating their own path to freedom.Jen and Amy “Rant or Rave” about New Year’s resolutions and Amy teaches us some creative perspectives to take to feel more successful in this space. And we reminisce about our favorite shows from the early 2000s. West Wing… the best! Criminal Minds, 24, Gray’s Anatomy, all bingeable. Gilmore Girls, c’mon. And what about One Tree Hill?***Thought-provoking Quotes:It doesn’t feel like a courageous act. It’s survival. Courage is when you are fully aware of the dangers that lie ahead – like a fireman, willing to run into a burning building to grab a baby – that’s courage because you know what’s at stake. When you are already in the burning building trying to find your way out, it doesn’t take courage, it’s survival – “find me the exit, how do I get out?” – Bethany Joy LenzMy faith has evolved into something that is much more connected to my gut which feels much more authentic. I feel a lot more comfortable asking questions and I really value doubt. The truth rises to the top. I think God is capable of communicating with all of us when it’s the right time in the right way. If the gospel shows us anything, it's that God meets us where we are. – Bethany Joy LenzI think a lot of Christians live in a space where we think it's very noble to not question God, like we think he’ll love us more, appreciate us more, we’ll be better disciples or believers. But he gave us the brains that we have for a reason. Is he capable of satisfying our intellect or not? So, push the button as hard and as far down as you can. It’ll hold. – Bethany Joy LenzGod is big enough to hold all of you. There’s nothing that you can present to God that is going to scare him off. He can handle the worst version of you, the angry version of you, the confused version of you. You don’t need other people to hold you. The Bible is full of stories of God one-on-one with someone (Job, Moses, Jesus) so you don’t need to be afraid of being alone with the Lord. – Bethany Joy LenzResources Mentioned in This Episode:Paul Teal - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3806295/Joy’s tribute to Paul Teal - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCf3CtopQt1/Dinner for Vampires: Life on a Cult TV Show (While also in an Actual Cult!) - https://www.amazon.com/Dinner-Vampires-Life-While-Actual/dp/1668067307Drama Queens Podcast - https://open.spotify.com/show/344eFGlcjmdAUqvWzPJzBkTim Keller sermon on Doubt - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/praying-our-doubts/id352660924?i=1000678149013Modern Vintage News - https://www.modernvintagenews.com/Guest’s Links:Joy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/msbethanyjoylenz/Joy’s Twitter - https://x.com/itsjoylenzJoy’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BethanyJoyLenz/Joy’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@msbethanyjoylenzConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Description:In this delightful episode, Jen Hatmaker sits down with bestselling author Josie Silver, the brilliant mind behind One Day in December. Josie shares her journey from writing ten novels to achieving massive success with this enchanting Christmas love story. Together, Jen and Josie discuss the creative process, the inspiration behind her characters, and the challenges of crafting a love story that spans a decade.Josie opens up about the unexpected ways her personal life influences her writing, how she brings authenticity to her characters, and what it feels like to finally hit her stride after years of writing. Whether you're a die-hard romance fan or simply looking for your next great read, this cozy conversation will inspire and entertain.Thought-provoking Quotes:You write the men you want them to be, not necessarily the men they are. That’s part of the magic of romance writing.” – Josie Silver“I think a lot of the little, quiet moments in life—the shorthand between people who truly know each other—are what make stories feel real.” – Josie Silver“Do you want help, or do you want a hug?” – Jen Hatmaker, reflecting on parenting young adults.It was a joy to write this book. Some books come out more easily than others and, this one, I wrote in six weeks. Some books have taken six months, some have taken far longer; whereas this one, every time I sat down, everything just seemed to work. – Josie SilverResources Mentioned in This Episode:One Day in December: A Novel by Josie Silver - https://amzn.to/3OD2D9AGuest’s Links:Josie’s books - https://amzn.to/3VlTFl3Josie’s website - https://josiesilver.com/Josie’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/josiesilverauthorJosie’s Twitter - https://x.com/josiesilverJosie’s BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/josiesilver.bsky.socialJosie’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/JosieSilverAuthorConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Settle in, listeners. Jen and Amy have invited Greek and New Testament professor and scholar, Reverend Dr. Angela N. Parker to the show to reflect on the Advent season with some words of hope and liberation. She took our butts to seminary, opening our eyes to what it looks like when you examine the scripture through the lens of womanist theology and the experiences of Black women. But as Dr. Parker tells us, “I’ve lived long enough to know that God will bring me through but sometimes it’s hard and sometimes it hurts. But even after the hurt, the tender spots get more resilient.”There’s so much to unpack in this one. Jen and Amy discuss their favorite Christmas movies and debate whether classics like Gremlins and Die Hard fit the genre  Dr. Parker explains how liberation is a collective journey, not an individual one – and how everyone, including white men, can need it. We learn how understanding the historical context of scripture is vital for its interpretation. And we also talk about some of the holiday hullabaloo we’re ready to Bless and Release this season. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“If I’m liberated, I don’t want to be liberated alone.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“We don’t want to think about the early church being enslavers.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“If our biblical text is wrestling with the idea of empire from Genesis to Revelation, we are wrestling with empire as well.” –– Dr. Angela N. Parker“When we work as a collective, we actually do better to transform society.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“The tree at the end of Revelation 21 has the leaves for the healing of all the “Ethnae”, for all the ethnicities, for all the nations. That’s what John the Revelator sees in his final vision.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“In my own work, I talk about how I try to even get whiteness out of me. Even as an African American woman born and raised in these United States, there are elements of whiteness that are in me, on me and a part of me. That’s just what we swim in.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“Hope breaks forth in the midst of terror, fear, and overwhelm. It’s normal to have [those feelings]. Don’t trick yourself into ignoring them. It’s best for us to acknowledge what is going on around us but to remember that hope breaks through.” – Dr. Angela N. Parker“I’ve lived long enough to know that God will bring me through but sometimes it’s still hard and sometimes it still hurts. But even after the hurt, the tender spots get more resilient.” – Dr. Angela N. ParkerResources Mentioned in This Episode:Orange Theory - https://www.orangetheory.com/en-usJames Hal Cone - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._ConeJacquelyn Grant - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquelyn_GrantDelores Williams - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delores_S._WilliamsKatie Cannon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_CannonAlice Walker - https://alicewalkersgarden.com/Rev. Dr. Margaret Aymer - https://www.austinseminary.edu/cf_directory/dirprofile.cfm?p=2576&id=4459Sisters in the Wilderness: The Challenge of Womanist God by Delores Williams - https://amzn.to/4eV3NceIf God Still Breathes, Why Can't I?: Black Lives Matter and Biblical Authority by Rev. Dr. Angela N. Parker - https://amzn.to/3YkO9QoGuest’s Links:Angela’s website - https://theology.mercer.edu/faculty-and-staff/parker/Angela’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/boozybiblescholar/Angela’s Twitter - https://x.com/BzyBibleScholarAngela’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/WomanistNTScholar/Angela’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@boozybiblescholar Connect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Jen introduces Amy and the For the Love audience to her long-time friend, comedian Heather Land, who gained fame as a social media sensation through her viral I Ain’t Doin’ It videos. They discuss Heather’s journey from an early career in ministry to one in comedy, and now to her newest passion project, life coaching. Heather talks to Jen and Amy about the impact of burnout and the challenges of reinventing oneself, especially at different life stages and finding joy in her new creative project, the Dear Heathers podcast (that she co-hosts with best-friend Heather Lenard) encouraging other women to embrace their journeys and feel empowered.In this episode: Jen and Amy share their mixed feelings on receiving unsolicited advice. Inspired by the Dear Heathers podcast, Amy and Jen reminisce about what it was like using landline phones when they were teens. Shocker: Jen even remembers her old phone number! The group talks about the importance of recognizing signs of burnout and how reinventing oneself is a vital part of personal growth Heather shares how support from friends can play a crucial role in our journey, like when her friend advised her to ‘do it [comedy] afraid’. Jen, Amy, and Heather talk about women looking to others with relatable stories when they go through difficult experiences and how community can be our greatest lifeline. ***Thought-provoking Quotes:“What do I have to lose except my dignity?” – Heather Land“Standup is maybe the hardest form of comedy. It’s not scripted. You don’t have directors and writers. It is a hot seat and it’s live. It’s sink or swim. You picked the hardest way to be funny.” – Jen Hatmaker“You are in full integrity when you make a change when something is still working. That is a move that is in full alignment which is something to be proud of.” – Jen Hatmaker“We ask kids ‘what do you want to be when you grow up?” and I don’t think we leave a lot of room for ‘What do I want to be next?’ or ‘what do I want to be when I’m 40, or 50, or 60?’.” – Heather Land “I’m sorry, I have not hired you as my life coach.” – Amy HardinResources Mentioned in This Episode:Heather’s I Ain’t Doin’ It Playlist - https://youtu.be/slcwYADYwRc?si=Oe-m-0jf3-wDdVmHDear Heathers Podcast - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/podcastHeather Lenard - https://www.heatherlenard.com/Life Coaching with Heather Land - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/life-coach#book-an-appointmentNichole Nordeman - https://www.instagram.com/nicholenordeman/Susannah Lewis (Whoa Susannah) - https://whoasusannah.com/Jen Hatmaker Book Club Cruise January 30-February 3, 2025 - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/cruiseOnly Murders in the Building - https://www.hulu.com/series/only-murders-in-the-buildingShould men take baths? - Dear Heathers: Ep. 3 Bath Time with the Swon Brothers - https://apple.co/4eI6s9bGuest’s Links:Heathers’s website - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/Heather’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/heatherland_iaintdoinitHeather’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/iaintdoinit/Heather’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs4omp2klYLTOqqY56j-8AgDear Heathers Podcast - https://www.heatherlandofficial.com/podcastConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe SupportBeltTM is designed and validated for Ford and Lincoln vehicle specifications and is intended only for use in those vehicles; Ford is making the design available via license for other automakers to manufacture and test in their vehicles. For shoulder belt use only. Do not use on lap portion of belt. Not for use by children or with child seats or booster seats. For use by mastectomy patients.The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Krista Tippett's work in the realm of spirituality and human experience is unparalleled. She just has a divine gift for distilling complex topics into clear, palatable information that we can sit with, dissect, and examine. She uses her OnBeing podcast as a place to conduct honest conversations with theologians and thought leaders about what it means to be human, what it means to be alive. Curiosity is welcome in her space. She brings a sense of calm to everything around her. So during the frenzy of the holidays, which can be both joyful and stressful, we wanted to circle back to this centering conversation with Krista to decompress and be at peace with the world. This conversation feels like an oasis in what is always a chaotic month so it’s our gift to bring it back for you this week. Segments:Bless and Release: Rules for holiday decorating and making the holidays magicalGenXcellence: Essentials for outfitting a GenX space***Thought-provoking Quotes:If a thing is feeling stressful and not joyful, it needs to be re-evaluated. – Jen HatmakerI actually found in the Bible, reading it for myself directly, that it completely honored the questions, and it honored the anguish, and it was full of things that didn’t make sense or were contradictory. And for me that was an opening to not feel that faith had to be in opposition to what didn’t make sense or was contradictory. – Krista TippettThere has to be a way to represent the complexity of this, and also the centrality of it, the fact that it’s more about questions than it is about answers, and the array of how we walk around with this, and what it means in our lives, and the ways we practice, and the vocabulary we have, and the different ways we pray. I wanted to show that you could talk about this and we could speak about the part of ourselves that we mean when we use language of religious or spiritual. – Krista TippettThe sensibility, the intentionality with which something is offered, shapes the reaction that comes at it. – Krista TippettI do have a spiritual homeland and I do have a spiritual mother tongue. That matters. – Krista TippettResources Mentioned in This Episode:Walter Brueggeman – https://www.walterbrueggemann.com/The Prophetic Imagination – https://onbeing.org/programs/walter-brueggemann-the-prophetic-imagination-dec2018/ Thích Nhât Hanh – https://plumvillage.org/ Desmond Tutu – https://www.tutu.org.za/ Mary Oliver – https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-oliver I Got Saved By the Beauty of the World – https://onbeing.org/programs/mary-oliver-i-got-saved-by-the-beauty-of-the-world/Guest’s Links:OnBeing Podcast - https://onbeing.org/series/podcast/Krista’s website - https://onbeing.org/our-story/krista-tippett/Krista’s Twitter - https://x.com/kristatippettConnect with Jen!Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmakerJen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmakerJen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmakerThe For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices