Thomas Heremans, CEO of the Obol Association and a key figure in Ethereum infrastructure, discusses the vital connection between decentralization and security in crypto. He explains how Obol boosts Ethereum’s scalability and integrity through distributed validators. The importance of projects like Rocket Pool and Lido in solidifying staking’s future is highlighted. Heremans advocates prioritizing security over pure decentralization, especially in today’s geopolitical climate, offering insights on the evolving landscape for stakers and validators.

Kain Warwick is the Founder of Synthetix and Infinex.In this episode, we discuss how speculation drives the world of crypto, why it fuels innovation, and how it unites us and divides us. Applying this thinking, we break down Ethereum’s narrative challenges this cycle, its misunderstood value prop, and why ETH should already be a trillion-dollar asset. We also dive into the disconnect between TradFi and The Ethereum Foundation, and why better communication and maybe a CMO could shift momentum for ETH, before covering the latest updates on the non-custodial crypto app, Infinex.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources🔮PYTH NETWORK | SMARTER DATA FOR SMARTER CONTRACTS⏳HOURGLASS | LEVERAGED AIRDROP FARMING AND BOOSTED POINTS📊iYIELD | YOUR FINANCIAL PICTURE, SIMPLIFIED🐐GOAT NETWORK | A BITCOIN L2 TO EARN WITH BTC & DOGE🧪MANTLE | START YOUR RESTAKING JOURNEY TODAY WITH CMETH🐡PUFFER UNIFI | A BASED ROLLUP TO ETHEREUM WITH NATIVE YIELDS🌔MOONWELL | THE LEADING LENDING AND BORROWING APP ON BASE⚙️GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED📈DEFINITIVE | THE MOST ADVANCED PLATFORM FOR ONCHAIN TRADE EXECUTION------Timestamps0:00 - Intro5:23 - What’s wrong with Ethereum and ETH?14:27 - How we should talk about the price of ETH19:38 - We need better comms for ETH’s narrative23:18 - Ethereum needs a CMO26:19 - Disconnect between TradFi x The Ethereum Foundation28:47 - Mantle mid-roll29:26 - Ethereum being attacked from every angle32:58 - Speculation drives the world43:33 - Sponsor mid-roll45:12 - Kain’s motivation for building Infinex51:51 - Meeting users where they are 54:53 - AI will disrupt the DeFi UI/UX1:02:01 - Rundown of key features for Infinex1:10:02 - Swidge = Swap + Bridge1:11:56 - Infinex Earn1:14:28 - Making airdrops delightful with Infinex1:18:40 - Infinex Bull Run fantasy trading game1:19:35 - Differentiating Infinex1:21:46 - Future Infinex token1:25:21 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Infinex website: https://infinex.xyz/► Infinex on X: https://x.com/infinex_app► Kain on X: https://x.com/kaiynne------If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Ali Husain and Milton Lopez, the co-founders of Navigate, dive into how the data and agent layers are transforming decentralized finance (DeFi). They discuss innovative ways individuals can monetize their own data through Navigate's marketplace. The duo highlights the role of AI agents in enhancing user experience and automating trading. They also explore the concept of agentic AI, its potential in decentralized data economies, and how it could optimize yield strategies while granting users more control over their assets.

Discover the groundbreaking potential of MegaETH, aiming to revitalize Ethereum with impressive transaction speeds up to 100,000 per second. Co-founders share insights on the innovative architecture designed to enhance performance and foster developer creativity. Dive into topics like decentralization, user motivations, and the challenges of ecosystem building. The podcast also compares MegaETH's capabilities to Solana and critiques current Layer 2 solutions. Unlocking new possibilities, MegaETH could truly reshape the crypto landscape!

Michael Svoboda, CEO of Liquity AG, joins a panel of DeFi innovators including Stephen from DeFi Dojo, Aaron co-founding Felix, and Roberto from Quill Finance. They dive into the exciting features of Liquity V2, including customizable interest rates and the launch of the sBOLD asset. The discussion also covers the economics behind friendly forks, highlighting the collaboration and innovations in liquidity incentives. Discover how these advancements are set to transform user engagement and yield opportunities in the DeFi space.

Mike Cahill, Founder and CEO of Douro Labs, discusses the transformative vision of Pyth Network, aiming to make the price of everything available on-chain. Formerly a high-frequency trader, he shares insights into Pyth's impressive growth, boasting over 600 data feeds across more than 90 blockchains. The conversation highlights the launch of Pyth Lazer's one millisecond price feeds and the strategic partnership with Revolut, while exploring the potential future of DeFi as it becomes increasingly accessible and efficient.

A panel of DeFi experts dives into the dynamic world of Royco and Boyco. They discuss innovative yield farming strategies and how to maximize returns before the 90-day lockup. The panel highlights Boyco's role in enhancing liquidity across multiple blockchains and compares it to other decentralized protocols. They explore capital migration strategies, liquidity management, and the upcoming Royco Royalty program aimed at boosting user engagement. Expect cutting-edge insights into market trends and investment opportunities just before a significant deadline!

Misha Putiatin, Co-founder of Symbiotic, and Francisco Agosti, Co-founder of Tanssi, discuss the groundbreaking launch of Symbiotic's Mainnet, designed to enhance shared security for decentralized networks. The duo dives into Tanssi’s user-friendly platform that simplifies blockchain deployment, allowing developers to easily create sovereign chains. They emphasize the balance of immutability and flexibility in decentralized systems, address challenges in blockchain security, and share insights on future trends and collaboration within the ecosystem.

Gaspard Peduzzi, co-founder of Spectra Finance; Tim Shekikhachev, co-founder of Resolv; and Amadeo Brands, founder of YieldNest, join for an engaging discussion on decentralized finance. They dive into how Spectra earned over $220M TVL in under eight months and its unique fixed-rate earning mechanisms. The conversation also highlights the innovative features of yield-generating stablecoins and the exciting potential of automated market makers in transforming the DeFi landscape.

Juan Leon is a Senior Investment Strategist at Bitwise. In this episode, we sit down to discuss Bitwise's recent CIO memo, 'Ethereum: The Comeback Kid of 2025.' We explore why Juan’s team sees a turning point ahead for Ethereum and ETH, the significance of surging ETH ETF inflows, the $100T opportunity in tokenized real-world assets (RWAs), and how these trends could drive value accrual for ETH the asset. ------ 🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗 ► Edge Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz ► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@defidad ► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod ► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify ► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod ► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad ► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap ► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/ ------ The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources 🔮 PYTH NETWORK | SMARTER DATA FOR SMARTER CONTRACTS ⏳ HOURGLASS | LEVERAGED AIRDROP FARMING AND BOOSTED POINTS 🪄 TANSSI | LAUNCH YOUR SYMBIOTIC RESTAKED NETWORK IN MINUTES 📊 iYIELD | YOUR FINANCIAL PICTURE, SIMPLIFIED 🧪 MANTLE | START YOUR RESTAKING JOURNEY TODAY WITH CMETH 🐡 PUFFER UNIFI | A BASED ROLLUP TO ETHEREUM WITH NATIVE YIELDS 🌔 MOONWELL | THE LEADING LENDING AND BORROWING APP ON BASE ⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED 🐐 GOAT NETWORK | A BITCOIN L2 TO EARN WITH BTC & DOGE 📈 DEFINITIVE | THE MOST ADVANCED PLATFORM FOR ONCHAIN TRADE EXECUTION ------ Timestamps 0:00 - Intro 4:28 - What happened in 2024? 7:26 - ETH ETF inflows close strong EOY 9:59 - Will ETH ETFs incorporate staking in 2025? 11:52 - Why is tokenization such an outsized opportunity for Ethereum? 14:04 - RWA opportunity is $100T 16:20 - Stablecoin growth ahead 19:04 - Mantle mid-roll 19:43 - Ethereum’s dominance in tokenized assets 23:49 - Will more value onchain lead ETH to a higher price? 26:34 - Moonwell & GOAT Network mid-roll 27:42 - How will Ethereum onboard more retail investors? 30:37 - Can AI agents lead to sustainable utility on Ethereum? 33:07 - Why Juan remains a COIN bull? 35:43 - Dept of Labor to relax guidance against crypto in 401(k) plans 38:34 - New use case to catalyze more growth on Ethereum 41:37 - Price prediction for ETH in 2025 44:09 - Closing ------ 🔗 Guest Links 🔗 ► Bitwise website: https://bitwiseinvestments.com/ ► Juan's memo on ETH: https://experts.bitwiseinvestments.com/cio-memos/ethereum-the-comeback-kid-of-2025 ► Bitwise financial advisor survey: https://bitwiseinvestments.com/crypto-market-insights/the-bitwise-vettafi-2025-benchmark-survey ► Bitwise on X/Twitter: https://x.com/bitwiseinvest ► Juan Leon on X/Twitter: https://x.com/singularity7x ------ If you're a DeFi/Web3 builder, contact our team at: https://fourthrevolution.capital/ All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and not necessarily those of Fourth Revolution Capital. Podcast guests and 4RC may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic both hold ETH. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.