The Edge Podcast

James Smith is Head of Ecosystem at the Ethereum Foundation.In this episode, we unpack everything Ethereum is building right now, some of it driven by initiatives at the Ethereum Foundation. From breakthroughs in zk technology and privacy to a growing wave of real-world asset tokenization poised to bring trillions onchain, this conversation highlights why we remain laser-focused on Ethereum. Our guest, James, is among the best at bridging the gap between builders and listeners, breaking down what’s being built across the Ethereum ecosystem in simple, relatable terms.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro6:37 - James's background10:06 - Philosophical differences that make Ethereum different18:37 - Ethereum Foundation’s new focus vs legacy EF24:31 - The incentives just make sense on Ethereum27:55 - Sponsor break29:11 - “The internet has no CEO," understanding decentralization37:14 - All the ways Ethereum is cooking39:30 - Building products for Wall St’s backend40:24 - Why zk is an enormous breakthrough44:20 - Sponsor break45:40 - Privacy will be a feature for many on Ethereum50:33 - Tokenization of RWAs on Ethereum is up only52:22 - What the Fusaka upgrade means for all of us54:12 - Future surprises coming from EF57:40 - The most misunderstood thing about the EF58:58 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► EF website: https://ethereum.foundation/► EF on X: https://x.com/ethereumfndn► James Smith on X: https://x.com/james_gaps------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic both are long term ETH holders. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Ruca is Head of Growth and Giel (aka deepcryptodive) is Head of Risk Curation at kpk.In this episode, we discuss the role of DeFi's risk curators, the individuals and teams responsible for assessing, pricing, and managing risk across DeFi lending markets and tokenized yield vaults. We talk about how risk curation has become both an essential service and a risky business of its own, as witnessed firsthand in Stream Finance's recent xUSD blowup.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro 5:34 - History of kpk9:38 - What is the job of a risk curator in DeFi?13:53 - Distinguishing between permissionless lending markets and vaults24:23 - What happened with Stream Finance and xUSD?32:52 - Sponsor break34:07 - How do risk curators make money?38:07 - The role of risk ratings in DeFi41:34 - Could risk curators run liquid strategies in their own markets/vaults?46:24 - Sponsor break47:43 - Risk of hard-coded fundamental oracles vs market price oracles57:06 - DeFi must prioritize safety over higher yields1:01:26 - kpk’s approach to risk curation1:05:30 - kpk’s retail-facing DeFi product suite1:07:11 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► kpk website: https://kpk.io/► kpk on X: https://x.com/kpk_io► Giel on X: https://x.com/deepcryptodive------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

RightSide is a Core Contributor at Pendle and Vivaldi is a CoFounder at Symphony.In this live session of Yield Talks, we explore whether AI can improve upon the work of human curators in evaluating, managing, transacting, and securing DeFi markets.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY + REAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro4:13 - Guest backgrounds6:44 - Pendle’s view on the role of AI in DeFi10:28 - Pendle x Symphony integration and how AI plays a role14:09 - What Symphony’s working on17:46 - Sponsor break19:02 - How will the average Pendle user benefit from AI?24:55 - How can AI make DeFi safer for users?30:31 - What is the Virtuals Agent Commerce Protocol (ACP)?32:57 - Sponsor break34:18 - Explaining x402, the internet-native payment protocol37:56 - Discerning which AI agents are more skilled40:47 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Symphony website: https://www.symphony.io/► Vivaldi on X: https://x.com/vivaldi0x► Pendle website: https://www.pendle.finance/► Rightside on X: https://x.com/rightsideonly------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic are investors in Symphony. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Michael Egorov is the Founder of Curve and yieldbasis.In this episode, the legendary DeFi founder walks us through his newly launched protocol called yieldbasis on Ethereum, designed to deliver the best Bitcoin yield yet. We explore how it works, its synergy with Curve, and how it aims to deliver a competitive yield-bearing version of BTC onchain in nearly any market conditions.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro5:43 - Building Curve Finance since 20208:36 - Why build yieldbasis?11:53 - The challenge to productize BTC yield19:13 - How does yieldbasis work?25:27 - Sponsor break26:29 - Current BTC yields and performance28:20 - Synergy between Curve and yieldbasis32:10 - Earning BTC yield vs YB emissions34:19 - Why another protocol, why another token?36:19 - What’s new with YB tokenomics?38:50 - Why will users lock veYB?42:41 - Sponsor break44:00 - Potential for yieldbasis to work with BTC DATs44:49 - Understanding risks in yieldbasis48:55 - Performance during the recent Oct 10 crash51:25 - How big can yieldbasis scale to?53:22 - Exploring future assets for yieldbasis55:47 - Current TVL campaign, plus future caps raise1:02:47 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► yieldbasis website: https://yieldbasis.com/► yieldbasis on X: https://x.com/yieldbasis► Michael Egorov on X: https://x.com/newmichwill------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic both hold BTC. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Bartek Kiepuszewski, the Founder of L2BEAT, is a researcher dedicated to enhancing Ethereum’s layer-2 scaling. He shares insights about how Ethereum’s L2 ecosystem is evolving and categorizes L2s by maturity stages. Bartek discusses the importance of transparency for decentralized systems and compares L2BEAT to a Rotten Tomatoes for rollups, emphasizing trust and verification. He also highlights the role of zero-knowledge proofs in the future of scaling and envisions a world where cheap, fast transactions revolutionize finance.

Laurence Day is the CoFounder and CEO of Wildcat Labs.In this episode, we explore how Wildcat is reinventing private credit onchain, building what Laurence calls “the Craigslist of private credit.” We explore why DeFi is ready to scale undercollateralized lending, the money multiplier effect to follow it, and how Wildcat aims to be a foundational primitive to make borrowing and lending more open, flexible, and accessible for everyone.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro6:58 - Laurence’s background10:57 - Why keep building after the Indexed exploit?16:15 - The opportunity for undercollateralized loans in DeFi22:28 - Sponsor break23:31 - The money multiplier effect for DeFi28:38 - The elevator pitch for Wildcat30:19 - Who is Wildcat built for?35:20 - Can Wildcat legally go after borrowers?41:36 - Sponsor break42:55 - Usual terms for Wildcat lenders and borrowers45:45 - Considerations for Wildcat after Oct 10th market crash56:32 - Innovations coming to Wildcat 1:07:28 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Wildcat website: https://wildcat.finance/► Wildcat on X: https://x.com/wildcatfi► Laurence on X: https://x.com/functi0nZer0------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

James Craig is the Director of the movie Code Is Law.In this episode, we go behind the scenes of Code Is Law: Crypto’s Unstoppable Heists, a new documentary retracing the history of DeFi’s biggest smart contract exploits. James walks us through the fascinating stories he investigated behind these famous hacks, including The DAO, Indexed Finance, KyberSwap, and Mango Markets. Plus, how the human stories behind these events continue to shape Ethereum and DeFi's culture, law, and future.Code Is Law is available to stream on Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV+ and YouTube Movies starting today, October 21st.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🦅 FALCON | OVERCOLLATERIZED SYNTHETIC DOLLAR - POINTS PROGRAM NOW LIVE🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro10:02 - How James got interested in DeFi exploits14:24 - The story behind The DAO hack20:14 - Sponsor break21:14 - The aftermath of The DAO29:16 - The Indexed Finance hack34:27 - The story behind the Indexed hacker36:57 - Sponsor break38:16 - The debate over exploits vs ‘code is law’46:21 - The KyberSwap attack51:57 - The bravado and ego of a hacker54:31 - The Eisenberg case with Mango Markets59:41 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Code Is Law website: journeyman.tv/film/8785► Code Is Law on X: https://x.com/CodeIsLawFilm► James Craig on X: https://x.com/jamescraig1111------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Billy Luedtke is the Founder of Intuition.In this episode, we explore how Intuition is building a new decentralized network for reputation, trust, and decision-making on Ethereum. Plus, why this could be the foundation for a universal knowledge graph that reshapes how we share and verify information online.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🦅 FALCON | OVERCOLLATERIZED SYNTHETIC DOLLAR - POINTS PROGRAM NOW LIVE🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro7:52 - Billy’s early start with Bitcoin and Ethereum18:11 - Why Ethereum is still objectively our best option23:28 - Sponsor break24:28- Importance of decentralized identity32:21 - Why we need Intuition37:09 - Why Intuition needs Ethereum38:53 - Sponsor break40:12 - Early use cases for Intuition49:56 - TRUST token powers Intuition55:26 - What’s next for Intuition?56:59 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Intuition website: https://www.intuition.systems/► Intuition on X: https://x.com/0xintuition► Billy Luedtke on X: https://x.com/0xbilly------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Behrin is the Founder of Neutrl Labs.In this episode, Behrin reveals how Neutrl is bringing a new yield to DeFi with asymmetric stablecoin returns powered by OTC arb strategies. We explore how their synthetic dollar NUSD and the yield-bearing form sNUSD work, why it reminds us of Ethena, and what makes their approach stand out in today’s market.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🦅 FALCON | OVERCOLLATERIZED SYNTHETIC DOLLAR - POINTS PROGRAM NOW LIVE🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR INSTITUTIONAL SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro7:46 - Behrin’s background8:54 - Overview of OTC arbitrage strategy10:50 - The mission at Neutrl12:44 - The market conditions for Neutrl’s trading strategies14:23 - Who does Neutrl work with?15:40 - Average duration and terms for OTC deals underpinning Neutrl16:37 - Example of a Neutrl strategy19:15 - Sponsor break 20:15 - Will Neutrl strategies work in a bull, bear, flat market?21:49 - Can Neutrl’s trading system benefit foundations selling tokens?23:55 - Composition of Neutrl’s yield strategies25:42 - Could a token dumping benefit the Neutrl OTC strategy?29:07 - Which tokens fit Neutrl’s criteria for the strategy?30:57 - Dumbing down the Neutrl OTC arb 32:36 - Sponsor break33:55 - Understanding NUSD vs sNUSD for users35:22 - Do sNUSD holders have to lock for any duration?41:45 - Thoughts on Neutrl’s future yield distribution43:40 - Future yield strategies for Neutrl44:41 - How scalable is the Neutrl system for sNUSD?46:11 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Neutrl website: https://www.neutrl.fi/► Neutrl on X: https://x.com/neutrl_labs► Behrin on X: https://x.com/behrin_n------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Luke Youngblood, founder of Moonwell and Mamo, shares insights from his early days in DeFi on Coinbase's Base L2. He discusses Coinbase's long-term vision for Base as a sustainable financial platform, touching on the potential impact of a Base token designed to incentivize quality builders. Luke highlights innovative DeFi 'mullet' products and Moonwell's role as a liquidity hub. He also dives into Mamo's mission of automating DeFi with user-friendly onboarding and creative solutions for risk management.