ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
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Nov 8, 2019 • 32min
A new Defence Minister for Indonesia, Future Submarine costs, & the security of Australia's north
In this episode, Andrew Davies talks with Marcus Hellyer on the costs of the Future Submarine project and discusses the current long range strike debate.
Mali interviewed Natalie Sambhi on the recent appointment of Prabowo Subianto as Indonesia's Defence Minister.
Genevieve chats with John Coyne on the impact of his recent report on the future security of Australia's north.
Links:
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/strong-and-free-future-security-australias-north
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indonesias-defence-and-foreign-policy-and-widodos-new-look-cabinet/
People in this episode:
Dr Andrew Davies: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/andrew-davies
Dr Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Natalie Sambhi: https://www.ververesearch.org/our-team1
Mali Walker: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/mali-walker
Dr John Coyne: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/john-coyne
Genevieve Feely: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/genevieve-feely
Music in this episode: "Biggie" by Albis - via the You Tube Audio Library

Oct 24, 2019 • 33min
Syria, on the ground and in cyberspace, and an uncertain nuclear future
Our two grumpy strategists Michael and Marcus discuss the US withdrawal from Syria, debated Putin’s role and grappled with the complex issue of Australian returning foreign fighters (1:05).
Continuing our coverage of Syria, Elise and Tom from our cyber team chat about different social media campaigns that are targeting the narratives surrounding Turkey’s offensive against Kurdish forces in the region (14:40).
Finally, Jack interviews Rod Lyon, senior fellow at ASPI, to celebrate the release of his Strategist Selections, a collection of his articles on nuclear strategy (23:10).
If you liked this episode don’t forget to recommend it to a fellow strategy wonk. As always you can leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or tweet us @ASPI_org. We’ll be back in two weeks.
In this episode:
Michael Shoebridge https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Marcus Hellyer https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Elise Thomas https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Tom Uren https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Rod Lyon https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/rod-lyon
Jack Norton https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jack-norton
Renee Jones https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/renee-jones
Mentioned in this episode:
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/nuclear-strategy-changing-world
Music in this ep: "Stars and Constellations" by Sarah, The Illstrumentalist via the You Tube Audio Library.

Sep 27, 2019 • 30min
Morrison goes to Washington, UNGA Games, and contested space
We're back ahead of schedule because there is so much to talk about.
In this episode, Michael Shoebridge offers his thoughts on Prime Minister Scott Morrison's trip to the United States and the impact it may have had on the Aus-China relationship.
Lisa Sharland and Sarah O'Connor unpack the United Nations General Assembly's Leaders' Week and assess Scott Morrison's performance.
Finally, former ASPI ANU research intern returns to chat with Malcolm about the Australian Defence Force and contested space.
Featured in this episode:
Michael Shoebridge https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Renee Jones https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/renee-jones
Lisa Sharland https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Sarah O'Connor https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/sarah-oconnor
Malcolm Davis https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/malcolm-davis
Lauren Hanley https://twitter.com/1auren_Hanley
Mentioned in this episode:
ADF & Contested Space
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/australian-defence-force-and-contested-space
Morrison's UNGA games
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/morrisons-unga-games-trump-china-and-the-future-of-global-cooperation/
Follow ASPI on Twitter https://twitter.com/ASPI_org
Music: Life Illusion by Ketsa

Sep 20, 2019 • 38min
Climate Change & The Pacific, Gender & Counterterrorism, & the future of Hong Kong
Genevieve Feely chats with Tess Newton Cain to unravel the recent Pacific Islands Forum in Tuvalu. (16m15s)
Sofia Patel returns to Aus to discuss gender & counterterrorism, PhD life, and Brexit with Lisa Sharland. (27m23s)
Louisa Bochner interviews Bonnie Glaser, Director of the China Power Project, to get her take on the implications of the ongoing demonstrations in Hong Kong. (0m41s)
In this episode:
Louisa Bochner https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/louisa-bochner
Bonnie Glaser https://twitter.com/BonnieGlaser
Genevieve Feely https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/genevieve-feely
Dr Tess Newton Cain https://twitter.com/CainTess
Lisa Sharland https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Sofia Patel https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/sofia-patel

Sep 5, 2019 • 30min
Pro-Democracy protests in Hong Kong & the opioid crisis in Australia - lessons from Canada
Our two grumpy strategists Michael and Marcus discuss the continuing pro-democracy protests rocking Hong Kong and the likelihood of a violent intervention from Beijing (0m55s).
Renee talks to Senator Vern White, former Chief of Police in Ottawa about the challenges facing modern policing, the opioid crisis and pill testing (12m38s).
In this episode::
- https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/two-ideas-to-help-trump-and-morrison-reinvigorate-the-us-australia-alliance/
- https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/beijing-is-manufacturing-the-circumstances-to-justify-brutal-intervention-in-hong-kong/
- https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
- https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
- https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/vern-white
Music: "Intermittent" by Ketsa - via the Free Music Archive: http://freemusicarchive.org/

Aug 22, 2019 • 32min
US Defence Budget and Indo-Pacific, Australia in Hormuz & Tweets from China
In this episode; Marcus Hellyer talks to guests from the US Studies Centre on their recently released paper, 'Averting Crisis: American Strategy, Military Spending and Collective Defence in the Indo-Pacific' (16:45).
Two of our grumpy strategists, Marcus and Malcolm discuss the recent announcement of Australian support for operations in the Straits of Hormuz (9:05)
Tom and Elise from our Cyber team discuss their preliminary findings of the recently released Twitter and Facebook data dumps of Chinese bot driven accounts (1:25).
Mentioned in this episode:
China’s information warfare darkens the doorstep of Twitter and Facebook: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/chinas-information-warfare-darkens-the-doorstep-of-twitter-and-facebook/
ICPC initial findings:
https://twitter.com/elisethoma5/status/1163949710832328704
https://twitter.com/JakeWallis_ASPI/status/1163755593305210881
Averting Crisis: American strategy, military spending and collective defence in the Indo-Pacific:
https://www.ussc.edu.au/analysis/averting-crisis-american-strategy-military-spending-and-collective-defence-in-the-indo-pacific
Back to the Middle East, but at what cost?: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/back-to-the-middle-east-but-at-what-cost/
Speakers:
Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Ashley Townshend: https://www.ussc.edu.au/experts/ashley-townshend
Brendan Thomas-Noone: https://www.ussc.edu.au/experts/brendan-thomas-noone
Matilda Steward: https://www.ussc.edu.au/experts/matilda-steward
Malcolm Davis: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/malcolm-davis
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Music: "Scuba" by Nul Tiel Records via the Free Music Archive.

Aug 9, 2019 • 47min
Australia's fuel security, Darwin port, Enough Project & India, the Indo-Pacific & Quad
In this huge episode, Michael Shoebridge and Paul Barnes discuss Australia’s fuel security, US missiles in the Indo-Pacific and revoking the Port of Darwin lease (7:20).
Aakriti Bachawat chats with Professor Harsh Pant about India’s perceptions on the Indo-Pacific and the Quad as well as the foreign Policy priorities under new Modi government (32:45).
Brendan Nicholson interviewed Brian Adeba from the Enough Project on efforts to prevent atrocities and corruption in Eastern and Central Africa (19:50).
And Renee Jones also caught up with Greg Moriarty, Secretary of Defence (1:20) and Gai Brodtmann, former Shadow Minister for Cyber Security and Defence (2:50) at ASPI's recent speed mentoring event.
In this episode:
Greg Moriarty: http://www.defence.gov.au/Secretary/
Gai Brodtmann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gai_Brodtmann
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Dr Paul Barnes: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/paul-barnes
Brian Adeba: https://enoughproject.org/author/brian-adeba
Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Professor Harsh Pant:
Aakriti Bachawat: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/aakriti-bachhawat
Music: "Gently Onwards" by ELPHNT and "A Quiet Thought" by Wayne Jones both via the You Tube audio library.

Jul 29, 2019 • 17min
General Angus Campbell & Mapping conditions in Rakhine state
In our final episode looking at ASPI's 'War in 2025' conference we bring you analysis of the fabulous speech delivered by Chief of the Defence Force, General Angus Campbell.
We also talk with the ASPI Cyber team about their latest ground-breaking research report; Mapping conditions in Rakhine state.
You can watch General Campbell's full speech here: https://youtu.be/P7O40S9W7ks
The ICPC Rakhine state report is available here: https://pageflow.aspi.org.au/rakhine-state
General Angus Campbell: http://www.defence.gov.au/CDF/
Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Danielle Cave: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/danielle-cave
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Nathan Ruser: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/nathan-ruser
Mali Walker: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/mali-walker
Tweet feedback to: @ASPI_ORG
Music in this episode: 'Plaidness' by Francis Preve via the You Tube Audio library.

Jul 11, 2019 • 46min
Like War, the Indo-Pacific & Hypersonics: War in 2025 conference special
The recent ASPI Conference, ‘War in 2025’, attracted thought leaders in Defence, Strategy and Policy.
We took the opportunity for some one on one discussions and we are excited to bring you these interviews in this second ‘War in 2025’ special episode.
You’ll hear from; Peter W. Singer on 'Like War' - information warfare and social media (0:50). Drs Rebecca Strating and Huong Le Thu on the strategic policy challenges of the Indo Pacific (18:35)and Tom Uren talks to Dr Andrew Davies on future force structures, defence spending and Hypersonics (32:00).
In this episode;
Peter W. Singer: https://www.pwsinger.com/biography/
Sarah O'Connor: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/sarah-oconnor
Dr Rebecca Strating: https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/bstrating
Dr Huong Le Thu: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/dr-huong-le-thu
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Dr Andrew Davies: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/andrew-davies
Music in this episode: "Level Up" by Quincas Moreira, via the You Tube audio library.

Jun 27, 2019 • 16min
The Directors Cut: War in 2025 conference special
The theme of ASPI's annual conference this year was 'War in 2025 - debating the key drivers of potential conflict in the next decade.
In this special episode, Peter Jennings Executive Director and Michael Shoebridge, Director of Defence and Strategy discuss the messages they took from the gathering.
In this episode:
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds address:
https://www.aspi.org.au/video/war-2025-keynote-address-senator-hon-linda-reynolds-csc
General Angus Campbell's address: https://www.aspi.org.au/video/general-angus-campbell-war-2025
Vice Admiral David Johnston's address: https://www.aspi.org.au/video/vice-admiral-david-johnston-war-2025
Music in this episode: 'Plaidness' by Francis Preve via the You Tube Audio library.


