ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
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Jun 6, 2019 • 42min
Policy, Guns & Money: The Cost of Defence, the ANU data breach & perspectives from India.
In this packed episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Marcus and Michael discuss the key findings of this year's Cost of Defence Budget Brief (0:55). From the Cyber side of the house, Tom and Danielle discuss the ANU data breach (13:10) and Alex and Elise discuss the impact of Alex's report, Picking Flowers, Making Honey (19:20) and to wrap up, roving reporter Brendan Nicholson sat down with Sameer Patil of the Gateway House think-tank to discuss all things India (29:30).
Referenced in this episode:
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/cost-defence-aspi-defence-budget-brief-2019-2020
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-04/anu-data-hack-bank-records-personal-information/11176788
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/picking-flowers-making-honey
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-03/xinjiang-china-surveillance-company-partnership-with-aus-unis/11074122
https://gallagher.house.gov/media/press-releases/gallagher-hartzler-introduce-bill-ban-chinese-military-scientists-american-labs
Guests:
Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Danielle Cave: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/danielle-cave
Alex Joske: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/alex-joske
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Sameer Patil: https://www.gatewayhouse.in/author/sameer-patil/
Music in this episode: "Ticker" by Silent Partner, via the You Tube Audio Library.

May 20, 2019 • 33min
Policy, Guns & Money: The Interns take control!
As our current group of Interns come to the end of their time with ASPI we pulled them aside to speak with them, to learn about their time with the Institute, how their research interests have evolved and the opportunities they’ve explored.
We also speak to Fiona, ASPI’s HR manager to get the low-down on applying for an internship, the qualities and passions that make a great intern candidate and some helpful tips for people thinking of applying in future.
Mentioned in this episode:
Election interference report ‘Hacking democracies’: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/hacking-democracies
Indonesia’s democracy at risk from disinformation: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indonesias-democracy-at-risk-from-disinformation/
Thailand’s flawed Election Commission: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/thailands-flawed-election-commission/
Water management in northern Australia is a national security issue: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/water-management-in-northern-australia-is-a-national-security-issue/
Australia & the Pacific Panel: https://www.aspi.org.au/event/australia-pacific-panel
ASPI Future Warfare conference: https://warin2025.aspi.org.au
Guests in this episode:
Luke Courtois https://twitter.com/luke_courtois
Mali Walker https://twitter.com/Maliwaan1
Rhys De Wilde https://twitter.com/RhysDeWilde
Genevieve Feely https://twitter.com/genevievefeely
Music in this episode: "Soul and Mind" by ... and "Lights Out" byJimmy Fontanez / Doug Maxwell. Via the You Tube Audio library.

May 6, 2019 • 34min
Policy, Guns & Money talks Cyber with Admiral Mike Rogers.
ASPI's roving report Brendan Nicholson talks all things Cyber with Admiral Mike Rogers, recently retired Commander of the U.S. Cyber Command and Director of the U.S. National Security Agency. Mike has recently joined ASPI as a Distinguished Visiting Fellow.
For Game of Thrones fans, MAJOR SPOILERS (from 21:17). A very emotional Renee Jones talks to Malcolm Davis & Hannah Smith about tactics from Team Alive in the Siege of Winterfell and its strategic implications for the rest of the series. If you’re not up to date on GoT stop listening from 21:17...
Music in this episode; "Cypher" by Wayne Jones and "Tribal Affair" by SYBS. Both via the You Tube Audio Library.

Apr 12, 2019 • 40min
Policy, Guns & Money: Election Interference, the Defence Budget & perspectives from PNG
In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money we talk to Fergus Hanson, head of ASPI's International Cyber Policy Centre about the likelihood and dangers of election interference.
Our two grumpy strategists discuss the status of the Defence Budget in light of the upcoming election and we hear extracts of the keynote address delivered by Stephanie Copus-Campbell at the annual ASPI Gala Dinner. Stephanie has extensive experience in Papua New Guinea and provided an insightful view of PNG and it's growing importance to Australia as our closest international neighbour.
In this episode;
Fergus Hanson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/fergus-hanson
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Stephanie Copus-Campbell: https://www.oilsearchfoundation.org/expansion-programs-1
Stephanie's keynote address: https://youtu.be/Sac-ccRs2Oo
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Music in this episode: 'Soul and Mind' by 'E's Jammy Jams via the You Tube Audio Library.

Mar 28, 2019 • 41min
Policy, Guns & Money. The Christchurch terror attack & The North and Australia's Security.
In the wake of the horrific terror attack in Christchurch we talk to two eminent thinkers on National Security and Counterterrorism, ASPI's Executive Director Mr Peter Jennings and Jacinta Carroll of the ANU National Security College.
We also talk to Dr John Coyne about the newly established research program at ASPI, The North and Australia's National Security.
References;
North of 26 South: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/dinkus/north-of-26-south/
People:
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
John Coyne: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/john-coyne
Jacinta Carroll: https://crawford.anu.edu.au/people/professional/jacinta-carroll
Genevieve Feely: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/genevieve-feely
Music in this episode: Shattered Paths by Aakash Gandhi via the You Tube audio library.

Mar 22, 2019 • 38min
Policy, Guns & Money. International Women's Day - Special 2
In our second special episode for International Women’s Day we’re celebrating the Young Australians in International Affairs IWD initiatives for 2019 – which included a week-long line-up of women writing for their insights blog and their list of 25 Young Women to Watch in International Affairs.
Our guests for this episode:
Jean Du
Hannah Smith - https://twitter.com/Hannah_ASPI
Aakriti Bachhawat - https://twitter.com/AakritiBh
Elise Thomas - https://twitter.com/elisethoma5
Elliot Brennan - https://twitter.com/elliott_brennan
Charlotte Owens - https://twitter.com/charlotteaowens
Mentioned in this episode:
2019 Young Women to Watch in International Affairs
https://www.youngausint.org.au/single-post/2019/03/08/2019-Young-Women-to-Watch-in-International-Affairs
2020 Vision podcast
https://www.ussc.edu.au/programs/2020vision
2019 Counterterrorism Yearbook
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/counterterrorism-yearbook-2019
Australia’s second seas: Facing our multipolar future in the Indian Ocean
https://www.aspi.org.au/report/australias-second-sea-facing-our-multipolar-future-indian-ocean
Jobs, internships & opportunities board
https://www.youngausint.org.au/job-internship-and-opportunities-board
Unequal suffering: female vulnerability in climate change
https://www.youngausint.org.au/single-post/2019/03/08/Unequal-Suffering-Female-Vulnerability-in-Climate-Change
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Music in this episode: 'Sleeplessness' by The Brothers Records - via the You Tube Audio Library.

Mar 13, 2019 • 1h 4min
Avalon Airshow Special
This special edition of Policy, Guns and Money is brought to you from the Avalon Airshow. Avalon is the biggest airshow in the Southern Hemisphere and is a chance for major aircraft manufacturers and operators to showcase their latest kit.
In this issue, we report on the launch of the Boeing Loyal Wingman project, we talk all things F35 with the RAAF and Lockheed Martin and we kick the tyres of a RAAF P8 Poseidon.
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Mar 8, 2019 • 18min
Policy, Guns & Money: International Women's Day Special
Recently, ASPI hosted a delegation of prominent women from the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.
Afghanistan has gone through a period of significant change and the current dialogues for peace provide an opportunity to discuss the role of women in security, policy and society. The visit of this group not only served as an opportunity to discuss Australia-Afghanistan bilateral relations but to also look at the achievements and challenges faced by Afghani women and address issues of women’s empowerment globally including the role of women as agents for change.
During the visit, ASPI’s roving reporter Brendan Nicholson spoke with Hadeia AMIRY, Special Advisor to the National Security Advisor of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, Freshta KARIM, Director of Charmaghz – a local Afghan NGO promoting critical thinking among Afghan children and Ms Nargis AZARYUN – civil society activist.
Music in this episode: "Plaidness" by Francis Preve via the YouTube Audio Library.

Feb 21, 2019 • 31min
Policy, Guns & Money - Episode 13
In episode 13 of Policy, Guns & Money, Lisa Sharland talks to Clare Hutchinson, NATO Special Representative for Women, Peace and Security (10:50). Tom Uren and Elise Thomas discuss the recent Australian Parliament House cyber attack (0:50) and Huong Le Thu talks to Rod Lyon about the upcoming Trump/Kim summit in Vietnam (21:50).
References:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-18/someone-tried-to-hack-parliament-are-our-politicians-vulnerable/10822072
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/espionage-or-interference-the-attack-on-australias-parliament-and-political-parties/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-18/someone-tried-to-hack-parliament-are-our-politicians-vulnerable/10822072
Clare Hutchinson: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/who_is_who_156598.htm
WPS on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ASPIwps
Music in this ep: "Dusk" by DivKid via the You Tube Audio Library.

Jan 31, 2019 • 31min
Policy, Guns & Money - Episode 12
In our second ep for 2019 we hear from Dr John Coyne about the recent drug fatalities at music festivals and what we should be doing about it; Danielle and Tom from our Cyber team discuss the latest ructions from Huawei (12:45) and Aakriti talks to Lisa Sharland about the future of international peacekeeping operations (20:20).
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Referenced in this episode;
Attack in Mali:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-21/al-qaeda-attack-mali-un-peacekeepers-terrorism/10733594
Security of Peacekeepers:
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/security-un-peacekeepers-minefield-politics-people-principles/
‘Women, Gender and the A4P Agenda’ Paper: https://www.aspi.org.au/journal-article/women-gender-and-a4p-agenda
Challenges Annual Forum 2018 (draft report): http://www.challengesforum.org/en/Events/Annual-Forums/Challenges-Annual-Forum-2018/Challenges-Annual-Forum-2018/
Action for Peacekeeping Agenda:
https://peacekeeping.un.org/en/action-for-peacekeeping-a4p
Background music in this episode: “Plaidness” by Francic Preve – via the You Tube Audio Library.


