ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
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Mar 26, 2020 • 37min
WPS and regional security, analysing disinformation online and healthcare cyber security
In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money ASPI’s Head of the International Program, Lisa Sharland speaks to experienced human rights and women’s rights advocate, Louise Allen about her recent ASPI publication ‘Australia's implementation of women, peace and security: Promoting regional security’.
You can read the full report here: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/australias-implementation-women-peace-and-security-promoting-regional-security
Renee DiResta, Technical Research Manager at Stanford Internet Observatory, talks with ICPC’s Elise Thomas about misinformation and malign narratives across social networks, focusing on the trends the world is witnessing throughout the COVID-19 pandemic.
Finally, we hear from ICPC’s Tom Uren and Jocelinn Kang who discuss how cyber criminals are exploiting COVID-19 to carry out cyber-attacks on hospitals.
In this episode:
Louise Allen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/louise-allen-70b7138/?originalSubdomain=au
Lisa Sharland: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Jocelinn Kang: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jocelinn-kang
Renee DiResta: http://www.reneediresta.com/
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Music: 'Stranger Danger' by Francis Preve via the YouTube Audio Library.

Mar 20, 2020 • 41min
COVID-19 the Corona virus
In this episode of Policy, Guns & Money we look at COVID-19, the Corona Virus. We speak with three prominent experts to help understand the current situation and consider where we are heading.
You'll hear from Professor Raina MacIntyre, Professor of Global Biosecurity at the University of New South Wales. Professor MacIntyre heads the Biosecurity Program at the Kirby Institute, which conducts research in epidemiology, vaccinology, bioterrorism prevention, mathematical modelling, genetic epidemiology, public health and clinical trials in infectious diseases.
We also speak with Dr Robert Glasser, Visiting Fellow at ASPI and former head of the UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction (UNISDR).
Finally, we speak with Dr Anna Powles, Senior Lecturer in Security Studies at Massey University on the impact of the virus on the South Pacific.
People in this episode:
Professor Raina MacIntyre: https://research.unsw.edu.au/people/professor-raina-macintyre
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Dr Robert Glasser: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/robert-glasser
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Dr Anna Powles: https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=287250
Genevieve Feely: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/genevieve-feely
Music: 'Scratch the itch' by Quincas Moreira - via the YouTube Audio Library.

Mar 10, 2020 • 38min
Triton, Taiwan & Testing times...
In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money, our two grumpy strategists Michael and Marcus make a welcome return discussing the implications of the recent US Government decision to pause the Triton UAV program. Huong and Jake discuss the recent Taiwanese elections and Kelly speaks to Madeleine Gordon, Climate Change and Energy Security Fellow at Young Australians in International Affairs.
Guests in this episode;
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Dr Marcus Hellyer: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/marcus-hellyer
Dr Huong Le Thu: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/huong-le-thu
Dr Jake Wallis:https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jake-wallis
Kelly Smith: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/kelly-smith
Madeleine Gordon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/madeleine-gordon-026360169/?originalSubdomain=au
Music: "Late night drive" by Nat Keef & Beetmower via the YouTube Audio Library.

Feb 21, 2020 • 42min
Islamic Law, Covid-19 and Middle Eastern affairs.
We bring you three great conversations in this episode of Policy, Guns and Money.
First, Brendan Nicholson speaks with Dr Ahmed Al-Dawoody, Legal Adviser for Islamic law and jurisprudence at the ICRC (0:35).
We then move on to a discussion of censorship and state media relating to Covid-19, the Corona virus between Fergus Ryan and Elise Thomas of the ASPI International Cyber Policy Centre (11:55).
We close with ASPI Executive Director Peter Jennings in discussion with Mr Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based international fellow of The Washington Institute and guest of the Australian/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council on recent Middle East events (23:25).
In this episode;
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Ehud Yaari: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/yaari-ehud
Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Dr Ahmed Al-Dawoody: https://www.geneva-academy.ch/the-academy/about-us/experts/detail/130-ahmed-al-dawoody
Fergus Ryan: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/fergus-ryan
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Music: "Pictures of the Floating World" by Bumbling, via the Free Music Archive. freemusicarchive.org

Feb 7, 2020 • 25min
The threat of a China-Russia partnership and examining misinformation online.
ASPI Executive Director Peter Jennings discusses the recent ASPI report "How the geopolitical partnership between China and Russia threatens the West" with His Excellency Kim Beazley, Governor of Western Australia and report author Professor Paul Dibb of the ANU.
Tom Uren and Elise Thomas from our Cyber team discuss the misinformation and hype that surrounded two recent high profile incidents; the Jeff Bezos phone incident and the alleged hack of Ukrainian gas company, Burisma.
In this episode;
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Kim Beazley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Beazley
Paul Dibb: http://sdsc.bellschool.anu.edu.au/experts-publications/experts/paul-dibb-am
Report: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/how-geopolitical-partnership-between-china-and-russia-threatens-west
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Music in this episode;
"Sun Machine One" by Loopop - via the You Tube Music Library.

Jan 30, 2020 • 41min
Gender Advisors in the ADF and UN Resolution 1325.
In this special episode of Policy, Guns & Money, Lisa Sharland discusses the vital work of Gender Advisors in the Australian Defence Force with Commander Jen Macklin, Group Captain Dee Gibbons and Wing Commander Angeline Lewis.
Lisa Sharland: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Music in this episode: “The Lone Woodlouse” by Rachael K. Collier, via the You Tube Audio Library.

Jan 13, 2020 • 45min
Fires in the sky and the ground. Tensions in the Middle East while Australia burns.
In our first episode of 2020, we examine two of the big events that are impacting the world currently; the US killing of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani and the terrible bushfires currently ravaging Australia.
Peter Jennings, ASPI’s Executive Director discusses the tense situation in the middle-east with US Army War College Fellow, Lt COL Ned Holt.
On the bushfires, we’ve spoken to three experts in the fields of Disaster and Risk preparedness. Dr Robert Glasser is the former head of the UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction, Mark Crosweller is the former head of the National Resilience Taskforce and former Director-General of Emergency Management Australia and Dr Paul Barnes, head of the Risk and Resilience program here at ASPI.
In this episode;
Report: Preparing for the Era of Disasters. https://www.aspi.org.au/report/preparing-era-disasters
- Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
- LTCOL Ned Holt: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/ned-c-holt
- Dr Robert Glasser: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/robert-glasser
- Mark Crosweller: https://ethicalintelligence.com.au/
- Dr Paul Barnes: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/paul-barnes
Music: 'Pale Rider Blues' by Mini Vandals via the YouTube Audio Library.

Dec 12, 2019 • 31min
China's challenge to US primacy, CVE Online: the Google approach and Indigenous STEM engagement
Mali interviews Oriana Skylar Mastro, Assistant Professor of Security Studies at the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and Resident Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, about her most recent book ‘The Costs of Conversation: Obstacles to Peace Talks in Wartime (Cornell University Press 2019)’ and her latest project on China’s challenge to U.S primacy.
Louisa spoke with Dion Devow, Indigenous engagement specialist working with ASPI’s International Cyber Policy Centre and 2018 ACT Australian of the Year, on closing the information technology gap for Indigenous Australians.
Plus Jake interviewed Vijay Padmanabhan, Google’s Lead for Countering Violent Extremism & Hate Speech.
People in this ep:
Oriana Skylar Mastro: https://www.orianaskylarmastro.com/
Vijay Padmanadhan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-padmanabhan-78337794
Dion Devow: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/dion-devow
Jacob Wallis: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jacob-wallis
Mali Walker: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/mali-walker
Louisa Bochner: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/louisa-bochner
Music in this ep: "Trapped" by Quincas Moreira via the You Tube Audio Library.

Nov 29, 2019 • 40min
The Beersheba dialogue 2019
In this special episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Strategist editor Jack Norton covers this year’s Beersheba Dialogue, the annual conference between ASPI and the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv.
He spoke to former Labor MP and shadow assistant minister for defence and cybersecurity Gai Brodtmann about the state of the Australia–Israel relationship and arms control expert Emily Landau about the Iran nuclear deal and the possible threat posed by Tehran.
Jack also interviews veteran journalist Yossi Melman about Israel’s relationship with China, with a focus on Chinese infrastructure and investment in the country.
In this episode:
Gai Brodtmann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gai_Brodtmann
Emily B. Landau: https://www.inss.org.il/person/b-landauemily/
Yossi Melman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yossi_Melman
Background music: "Fonkee Ryde" by Noir Et Blanc Vie, via the You Tube Audio Library.

Nov 22, 2019 • 15min
The Australia-China relationship
In this special episode of Policy, Guns & Money, Peter Jennings, ASPI's Executive Director and Michael Shoebridge, Director of Defence, Strategy and National Security at ASPI discuss the recent events relating to the unprecedented leak of hundreds of internal CCP documents, the refusal of Australian politician's visas , and the future of the Australian-China relationship.
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
NY Times on the documents: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html
Music in this ep: "Skewls Owt" by Noir Et Blanc Vie - via the You Tube Audio Library.


