ASPI Podcast: Policy, Guns & Money
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Policy, Guns & Money is produced by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
ASPI is an independent, non-partisan think tank that produces expert and timely advice for strategic and defence leaders. ASPI has offices in Canberra, Australia and Washington DC, USA.
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May 8, 2020 • 36min
Covid-19 in Vietnam, more disinformation research and Corona virus impacts in Myanmar and Yemen
In this episode, ASPI’s Dr Huong Le Thu talks Australia's Ambassador to Vietnam, Her Excellency Robyn Mudie, about the situation on the ground in Vietnam and the lessons to be learnt from the country's response to Covid-19.
Next, senior analyst Dr Jake Wallis and research intern Albert Zhang chatted about their recent research on Covid-19 disinformation and social media manipulation and the rise in patriotic trolling campaigns in support of China on social media platforms.
Finally, ASPI's Professional Development Program Coordinator Julia Butler spoke to research interns Daria Impiombato and Tracy Beattie about the intersection of conflict and crisis and the potential impacts of a large Covid-19 outbreak in conflict-ridden Yemen and Myanmar.
* NOTE: In this interview, Daria slips and mentions that '100 people have died in the Yemeni war' - what was intended of course was the figure '100,000'.
In this episode:
Dr Huong Le Thu https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/huong-le-thu
Ms Robyn Mudie https://www.dfat.gov.au/about-us/our-people/homs/Pages/ambassador-to-vietnam
Dr Jake Wallis https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/jacob-wallis
Albert Zhang https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/albert-zhang
Julia Butler https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/julia-butler
Daria Impiombato https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/daria-impiombato
Tracy Beattie https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tracy-beattie
Background music: "Cages" by Density & Time, via the You Tube Audio Library.

May 7, 2020 • 37min
Australia's Next Steps, Episode Three: The future of nation building
In episode three of Australia’s Next Steps, host Michael Shoebridge talks to Alison Pennington, Senior Economist at the Centre for Future Work associated with the Australian Institute, and Tom Murphy, Head of Agriculture and Regional Investment Strategy with the Queensland Investment Corporation about the future of nation building for Australia.
The discussion centres on the Australian economy, focusing on the strengths and resilience demonstrated throughout the pandemic that can be leveraged as Australia rebuilds post-crisis.
Background music: "Under Cover" by Wayne Jones, via the YouTube audio library.

May 1, 2020 • 33min
Weaponised deep fakes
"Fakes are all around us. Academic analysis suggests that they’re difficult to spot without new sensors, software or other specialised equipment, with 1 in 5 photos you see being fraudulent."
In this episode of Policy, Guns & Money, Danielle Cave speaks to authors Hannah Smith and Katherine Mansted about the research behind their recent ASPI report.
The report: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/weaponised-deep-fakes
People in this episode:
Danielle Cave - Deputy Director, ICPC: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/danielle-cave
Hannah Smith - Researcher ICPC: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/hannah-smith
Katherine Mansted: Senior Adviser Public Policy, National Security College, ANU: https://crawford.anu.edu.au/people/professional/katherine-mansted
Background music: "Scarab" by Quincas Moreira - via the YouTube Audio Library.

Apr 30, 2020 • 31min
Australia's Next Steps, Episode Two: The Future of Work
Welcome to ASPI’s mini-series, ‘Australia’s Next Steps’, brought to you by Oracle.
Episode Two looks at the future of work in Australia. For many, the pandemic has changed our daily working lives, and has allowed businesses to realise both the benefits and drawbacks to this style of work.
Host, Michael Shoebridge, Director of ASPI’s Defence, Strategy and National Security Program, talks to Brenda Banning, Head of Architecture & Industry Strategy at Oracle, and David Schofield, Principal Consultant for leadership, teams and organisational culture with Bendelta. They discuss how the pandemic changed the future of work for Australia, what we have learned and adapted, and where may need further development.
Background music: "Under Cover" by Wayne Jones, via the YouTube audio library.

Apr 24, 2020 • 25min
Uyghurs for sale
In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Kelly Smith speaks to ICPC’s Vicky Xu, Kelsey Munro, and Nathan Ruser, authors of ASPI’s ‘Uyghurs for sale’ - the ground-breaking report which exposes the forced labour programs being inflicted on the Uyghur population of Xinjiang, China.
They discuss their open-source research approach and the impact the report has had.
Report: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale
Vicky Xu: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/vicky-xiuzhong-xu
Kelsey Munro: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/kelsey-munro
Nathan Ruser: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/nathan-ruser
Background music: "A Quiet Thought" by Wayne Jones, via the You-Tube Audio Library.

Apr 22, 2020 • 30min
Australia’s Next Steps, Episode One: The future of national security
Welcome to ASPI’s new mini-series podcast, ‘Australia’s Next Steps’.
ASPI, together with Oracle, is excited to launch the first episode of a new podcast that examines Australia’s strategic environment,
opportunities for the future and the possible next steps for the nation.
Episode One examines the future of national security for Australia and the outlook for our region.
Host Michael Shoebridge, Director of ASPI’s Defence, Strategy and National Security Program, talks to ASPI’s Executive Director, Peter Jennings and Senior ASPI analyst, Dr Huong Le Thu.

Apr 17, 2020 • 38min
Covid-19 in Indonesia and the Pacific. Tips on surviving isolation.
In this episode of Policy, Guns and Money, Lisa Sharland, head of ASPI's International Program speaks to Dr Anna Powles, senior lecturer in security studies at Massey University for an update on the impact of Covid-19 on the Pacific.
Kelly Smith catches up with Colonel Ned Holt, ASPI's US Army War College Fellow to get some tips on looking after yourself while in isolation in difficult circumstances.
Dr Huong Le Thu, Senior Analyst at ASPI speaks with Dr Donald Greenlees of Melbourne Universities Asialink on the impact Covid-19 is having in Indonesia.
In this episode:
Lisa Sharland: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Dr Anna Powles: https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=287250
Colonel Ned C. Holt: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/ned-c-holt
Dr Huong Le Thu: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/huong-le-thu
Dr Donald Greenlees: https://asialink.unimelb.edu.au/about-us/leadership-team/donald-greenlees
ASPI Roundtable: ICT and emerging technologies in the Pacific: https://youtu.be/EP7ll28kOTg
Background music: "Fountation" by Vibe Tracks via the You Tube Audio Library.

Apr 9, 2020 • 41min
Afghanistan peace efforts, reflecting on Russia and Covid-19 impact on Space
In this episode, ASPI’s Genevieve Feely speaks to Dr Sue Harris-Rimmer, Gender Policy Expert and Associate Professor at Griffith University Law School, about the Afghanistan peace process and why it's so important that women are represented and their rights protected in any agreement that is made
Michael Shoebridge talks to Emeritus Professor Paul Dibb about the implications of Covid-19 for Russia, Vladimir Putin and Russia’s relationship with China.
Finally, Charlie Lyons Jones speaks to Dr Malcolm Davis about how Covid-19 is impacting the space industry, how space is the new arena for strategic competition and how space has enabled effective connectivity to deal with a workforce working remotely.
In this episode:
Dr Susan Harris Rimmer - https://experts.griffith.edu.au/7374-susan-harris-rimmer
Genevieve Feely - https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/genevieve-feely
Prof Paul Dibb - http://sdsc.bellschool.anu.edu.au/experts-publications/experts/paul-dibb-am
Michael Shoebridge - https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Dr Malcolm Davis - https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/malcolm-davis
Charlie Lyon Jones https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/charlie-lyons-jones
Background music: "Lost Time" by 'Evening Land' via the YouTube audio library.

Apr 3, 2020 • 41min
The UN and Covid-19, Pacific ICT Development and changing roles for the ADF
In this episode; ASPI’s Lisa Sharland talks to Richard Gowan, International Crisis Group's UN Director, to discuss the International Crisis Group’s recent report: "Covid-19 and Conflict: Seven Trends to Watch". The report is available here: https://www.crisisgroup.org/global/sb4-covid-19-and-conflict-seven-trends-watch
Earlier this year Bart Hogeveen of ASPI's ICPC released the report: "ICT for development in the Pacific Islands". Bart speaks with Louisa Bochner about the report and his work assessing e-governance facilities in the Pacific. The report is available here: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/ict-development-pacific-islands
Finally, ICPC's Tom Uren and ASPI's Director of Defence, Strategy & National Security Michael Shoebridge discuss how Australia's Defence department has adapted to changing roles and whether the organisation's structure and processes are fit for purpose or a redesign is needed.
People in this episode:
Richard Gowan: https://www.crisisgroup.org/who-we-are/people/richard-gowan
Lisa Sharland: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/lisa-sharland
Bart Hogeveen: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/bart-hogeveen
Louisa Bochner: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/louisa-bochner
Tom Uren: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/tom-uren
Michael Shoebridge: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/michael-shoebridge
Background music: "The Missing Link" by The Whole Other - via the YouTube Audio Library.

Mar 31, 2020 • 38min
Counterterrorism Yearbook 2020
This special episode marks the publication of ASPI's Counterterrorism Yearbook for 2020. This is the fourth annual edition of the CT Yearbook and while circumstance dictates we cannot host our traditional launch at the ASPI Auditorium, we invite you to listen to this special episode and join in the conversation about this incredibly important topic.
In this episode, we hear an introduction from ASPI Executive Director, Peter Jennings, followed by a conversation between the publication’s co-author John Coyne and Executive Editor of The Strategist, Brendan Nicholson. John then speaks with contributing authors Peta Lowe, Principal Consultant at Phronesis Consulting, and ICPC’s Elise Thomas.
As the publication and podcast detail, the threat of terrorism has plateaued at an unacceptably high level, and as attention in the news cycle is focussed on COVID-19, this report shines a light on an important topic for national security that must be addressed.
You can download the ASPI CT Yearbook 2020 here: aspi.org.au/report/counterterrorism-yearbook-2020
In this episode:
Peter Jennings: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peter-jennings
John Coyne: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/john-coyne
Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson
Peta Lowe: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/peta-lowe
Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas
Background music: "Low" by ELPHNT, via the YouTube Audio Library.


