

Boxes and Lines
Ronan Ryan, John Ramsay
In today's equity markets, the devil’s in the details. This is a podcast for traders, asset managers, and anyone who wants to understand the machinations, politics, and incentive structures underpinning our shared markets.
With irreverence and insight, IEX’s Ronan Ryan and John “JR” Ramsay hold court on market structure with Wall Street’s most savvy market practitioners, sharing their insiders’ view on how Wall Street really works. You'll never trade the same way again.
With irreverence and insight, IEX’s Ronan Ryan and John “JR” Ramsay hold court on market structure with Wall Street’s most savvy market practitioners, sharing their insiders’ view on how Wall Street really works. You'll never trade the same way again.
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Feb 7, 2023 • 40min
Ticks of the Trade with Joe Saluzzi of Themis Trading
On the latest episode of Boxes + Lines, Ronan and JR welcome back Joe Saluzzi of Themis Trading. The group shares secrets to longevity that all founders can benefit from (staying relevant, for one!), as well as how to distill information for clients. They also discuss what goes into protecting client privacy, what changing tick sizes would mean for traders, and what would need to happen for institutional investors to get into crypto. Recorded October 05, 2022.

Jan 17, 2023 • 32min
The Blurring of Burr: Warring Founding Fathers, Treason, and Romance Novels
IEX's Jayme Abrahamsen and former Greenlight Capital partner and CEO and founder of Freedom's Edge Cider Andy Kaplan return to the podcast this week for a continuation of their conversation about our cultural fascination with Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. This episode looks specifically at Burr, a one-time rising political star and U.S. vice president who by the end of his life was exiled to Paris and eating from garbage cans. Our guest hosts look at the blurring of Burr’s legacy over time, the re-writing of his history from dubious sources like Thomas Jefferson and Hamilton (who were his enemies), our modern need to view the founding fathers as emblems of power and unification (and the impact this had on U.S. currency) and why we've gotten so much wrong about Burr over the years. Recorded on November 30, 2022.

Dec 20, 2022 • 37min
Happy Holidays from the SEC
Last week the SEC unveiled the biggest proposed market reforms to U.S. market structure since Reg NMS was instituted in 2005, so Ronan and JR are unboxing each regulatory proposal just in time for the holidays. Rule 605, tick size, access fees, price transparency, retail auctions, best execution... with these proposals in the mix, it's going to be an exciting 2023. Recorded December 15, 2022.

Dec 12, 2022 • 38min
Total Eclipses and Test Automation Engineering with Eric "Stack" Quinlan of IEX Exchange
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR speak with IEXer Eric Quinlan, better known as Stack. Stack has been with IEX for nearly a decade and is currently the Senior Software Development Engineer in Test. They reminisce on how an impromptu coffee meeting turned into Stack’s unofficial-official job interview for IEX. They discuss developing and writing software to build testing tools for quality assurance and the human factors that need to be considered when creating software. We learn about the infamous Stacks Stumps that are always keeping fellow IEXers on their toes, and the unconventional hiring process of young talent. Recorded November 17, 2022.

Nov 14, 2022 • 0sec
What’s historical data anyway? with Paul Humphrey and Dr. Elliot Banks of BMLL
It’s a new episode featuring guests from across the pond and bad impressions of their accents, guvnah! Ronan and JR sit down with Paul Humphrey and Dr. Elliot Banks of the UK-based historical data firm BMLL to find out what historical data really is, and how it helps us understand the behavior of markets in game-changing new ways. They also discuss BMLL’s unique access to insights, and the academic need for better financial data to help educate the next generation of quant talent. Recorded November 3, 2022.

Oct 31, 2022 • 39min
Launching a New Institutional Equities Broker with Dan Aisen and Allison Bishop of Proof Trading
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR chat with Daniel Aisen and Allison Bishop, founders of Proof Trading, a new institutional equities execution platform launched in 2021. They are also former IEXers! They talk about algorithmic trading, hot topics in market structure, and Proof’s unique approach to radical transparency. Recorded September 20, 2022.

Oct 17, 2022 • 35min
Let’s Talk Clearance and Settlement, with Ann Shuman of the DTCC
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR talk to Ann Shuman, General Counsel of the DTCC (Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation) who previously served as the Deputy General Counsel of CME Group, the world's largest and most diverse derivatives marketplace. They talk about why the DTCC is critical and what its functions are, as well as different risks, settlements, and new rules in treasury clearing put forth by the SEC. Recorded on September 15, 2022.

Oct 3, 2022 • 36min
Banking in a Crypto Future with Laurence Latimer of Dinara
Laurence Latimer joins Ronan and JR on this episode of Boxes + Lines as a former member of IEX the now CEO and Co-Founder of Dinara, an enterprise banking services solution that reimagines commercial banking services for the crypto economy. They discuss Dinara's core customer base and emphasis on customer experience. In addition, they cover the need for efficient exchange mechanisms during volatile times, the positives of crypto regulation and thoughts on the growth of stablecoins. Recorded August 9, 2022.

Sep 19, 2022 • 26min
Exclusive Episode with Special Guest… Nobody!
This week, Ronan and JR are going solo (duo?) for our 68th episode. They’re in fine form, going back through the genesis of Boxes and Lines, the trials and tribulations of sound quality, and some of our most memorable guests and moment. Tune in for some classic JR and Ronan banter and then dig into the archives for more. Recorded September 8, 2022.

Aug 22, 2022 • 38min
Navigating Investor Relations in 2022 with John Nunziati of Q4
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR speak with IEX alum John Nunziati, who is now an Investor Relations Partner at Q4. They touch on the move toward the standardization of ESG reporting, existing SEC disclosure requirements, and the importance of planning for crisis scenarios. They also discuss how companies are thinking about expressing more controversial political or social stances in the current environment. Recorded July 18, 2022.