

Boxes and Lines
Ronan Ryan, John Ramsay
In today's equity markets, the devil’s in the details. This is a podcast for traders, asset managers, and anyone who wants to understand the machinations, politics, and incentive structures underpinning our shared markets.
With irreverence and insight, IEX’s Ronan Ryan and John “JR” Ramsay hold court on market structure with Wall Street’s most savvy market practitioners, sharing their insiders’ view on how Wall Street really works. You'll never trade the same way again.
With irreverence and insight, IEX’s Ronan Ryan and John “JR” Ramsay hold court on market structure with Wall Street’s most savvy market practitioners, sharing their insiders’ view on how Wall Street really works. You'll never trade the same way again.
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Sep 19, 2022 • 26min
Exclusive Episode with Special Guest… Nobody!
This week, Ronan and JR are going solo (duo?) for our 68th episode. They’re in fine form, going back through the genesis of Boxes and Lines, the trials and tribulations of sound quality, and some of our most memorable guests and moment. Tune in for some classic JR and Ronan banter and then dig into the archives for more. Recorded September 8, 2022.

Aug 22, 2022 • 38min
Navigating Investor Relations in 2022 with John Nunziati of Q4
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR speak with IEX alum John Nunziati, who is now an Investor Relations Partner at Q4. They touch on the move toward the standardization of ESG reporting, existing SEC disclosure requirements, and the importance of planning for crisis scenarios. They also discuss how companies are thinking about expressing more controversial political or social stances in the current environment. Recorded July 18, 2022.

Aug 1, 2022 • 29min
Hedging Commodities with Rich Counsell of Stable
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR chat with Eric ... er ... Rich Counsell, Founder and CEO of Stable and a former farm kid who didn't actually find his passion for agriculture until starting his finance career in commodities. Rich shares his insight on the commodities space and how his platform is tackling risk management for farmers and other businesses that are subject to volatile commodity prices. They also discuss the importance of timing in commodities risk management, the regulatory structure around Stable’s business, and communicating with customers on their own terms. Recorded June 30, 2022.

Jul 11, 2022 • 40min
Market Structure North of the 49th with Doug Clark (TMX) and Peter Haynes (TD Securities)
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR speak with Doug Clark, Managing Director at TMX, and Peter Haynes, Managing Director at TD Securities – Canadians and friends since working together at TD in the early ’90s. Needless to say, they're experts on the Canadian market. They share their insight on Canadian market structure, how it compares to the U.S., and why you maybe shouldn't compare the two. They also have advice for anyone looking to grow in the industry and tell classic tales of trading floor pranks. Recorded June 27, 2022. Listen to more Boxes and Lines episodes on https://exchange.iex.io/podcast/

Jun 27, 2022 • 37min
Launching a Stock Exchange with Paul Bauccio of IEX
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, Ronan and JR talk to IEX's Paul Bauccio, who has been with the company for nearly a decade. Paul joined the team after previously working at the New York Stock Exchange to help transition the company from an ATS to a national securities exchange. They discuss the new opportunities and responsibilities that came along with becoming an exchange, their experiences on Wall Street during 9/11, and shifting to a remote workforce during the pandemic. Listen to more Boxes and Lines episodes and learn more at https://exchange.iex.io/podcast/

Jun 6, 2022 • 31min
Trading the (Crypto) Future with Boris Ilyevsky of Coinbase
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, hosts John Ramsay and Ronan Ryan are joined by Boris Ilyevsky, former Head of Market Development at IEX Exchange who is now the Director of Derivatives Product at Coinbase. They discuss his thoughts on futures trading for retail investors, crypto futures and regulation, and the evolution of fintech over the past decade. Listen to more Boxes and Lines episodes on https://exchange.iex.io/podcast/

May 23, 2022 • 33min
An Industry Divided with Shane Swanson of Coalition Greenwich
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, JR and Ronan chat with Coalition Greenwich Senior Analyst Shane Swanson about the results of a recent survey of sellside market participants that Coalition Greenwich conducted in partnership with IEX Exchange. The survey uncovered interesting insights about perspectives on market structure topics such as the rise of retail trading, exchange rebate tiers, and SEC priorities, as well as questions around how firms are assessing the blockchain and digital asset space. Recorded April 19, 2022.Listen to more Boxes and Lines episodes and learn more at https://exchange.iex.io/podcast/

May 9, 2022 • 35min
Weird Alliances, Competition, and Token Regulation with J.W. Verret of the Antonin Scalia Law School
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, hosts Ronan Ryan and John Ramsay are joined by J.W. Verret, Associate Professor at the Antonin Scalia Law School and an expert on the SEC and fintech space. They discuss the history of disagreements between market participants and the SEC, governing the Web3 ecosystem, and using crypto for social good. Recorded March 8, 2022. Listen to more Boxes and Lines episodes at iexexchange.io/podcast.

Apr 25, 2022 • 39min
From Bogle to Bitcoin (ETFs) with Eric Balchunas of Bloomberg Intelligence
On the latest episode of Boxes and Lines, Eric Balchunas, Senior ETF Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence and co-host of Bloomberg’s “Trillions” podcast, joins Ronan and JR to tell us about larger-than-life Vanguard founder Jack Bogle, who reshaped the way millions of people invest their money. Bogel is the subject of Eric’s new book “The Bogle Effect,” out on April 26. They also chat about the history and prospects for Bitcoin ETFs, as well as Russia ETFs. Recorded April 7, 2022.

Apr 11, 2022 • 33min
Experiments, Tiers, and Calculated Risks with Eric Stockland of BMO Capital Markets
On this episode of Boxes and Lines, hosts John Ramsay and Ronan Ryan are joined by Eric Stockland, Managing Director, Global Markets at BMO Capital Markets and former Chief Strategy Officer at IEX, for a down-to-the-nitty-gritty trading discussion! They discuss the impact of tiny increments of speed in today’s market, maximizing outcomes for clients through experimentation, the importance of taking calculated risks, rebate tiers, and prioritizing people over algorithms. Recorded March 24, 2022.