
Secrets and Spies Podcast: Current Affairs | Geopolitics | Intelligence
Secrets and Spies sits at the intersection of intelligence, covert action, real-world espionage, and broader geopolitics in a way that is digestible but serious. Hosted by filmmaker Chris Carr and writer Matt Fulton, each episode unpacks global events through the lens of intelligence and geopolitics, featuring expert insights from former spies, authors, and analysts. Tune in for balanced, critical perspectives that will expand your understanding of our uncertain world, deciphering the most enigmatic professions, ideologies, and organizations that shape the global landscape.
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Our Hosts
Host Chris Carr, driven by a teenage encounter with former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky, brings a unique authenticity to the podcast. His deep-seated fascination with espionage is evident in his highly acclaimed short spy film The Dry Cleaner, available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime. Currently developing feature film and television scripts inspired by the podcast's themes, Chris aims to create realistic and compelling spy dramas.
Joining him is Matt Fulton, a novelist and screenwriter who draws inspiration from masters of the spy genre like John Le Carré, Tom Clancy, and Graham Greene. Author of the Active Measures series of globe-trotting geopolitical thrillers, Matt brings his decades of extensive research and narrative prowess to the podcast, offering listeners a front-row seat to the thrilling world of covert operations.
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Aug 17, 2024 • 1h 17min
S8 Ep58: Russian Sleeper Spies in Germany with Florian Flade
In this episode, we’re joined by Florian Flade, an investigative journalist for Germany’s public broadcaster ARD, based in Berlin. Florian takes us inside the gripping true story of two Russian sleeper spies who lived undercover in Germany for years, posing as an ordinary family. Drawing parallels to the fictional world of The Americans, this real-life espionage tale reveals the extraordinary lengths to which Russia will go to spy on foreign nations. Join us as Florian shares insights from his in-depth research and podcast, shedding light on one of the most remarkable espionage operations uncovered in recent history.
Please note that this episode was recorded before the historic prisoner swap with Russia in early August.
To listen to Florian’s podcast “Die Anschlags – Russlands Spione unter uns” visit this link: https://www.ardaudiothek.de/sendung/die-anschlags-russlands-spione-unter-uns-wdr-und-ndr/13420611/
For more information and to connect with Florian, please follow the links below.
Blog: https://ojihad.wordpress.com/
Twitter: https://x.com/FlorianFlade
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Aug 10, 2024 • 44min
S8 Ep57: Inside the blockbuster US-Russia prisoner swap with Shane Harris
On today’s episode, Washington Post national security reporter and friend of the show, Shane Harris, joins Matt to discuss last week's historic prisoner exchange between the US and Russia, securing the release of several prominent journalists and pro-democracy activists. Shane dives into his reporting on the swap, detailing months of delicate negotiations, who the Russians got in return, and touches on the complicated question of whether these exchanges incentivize autocrats like Putin to take hostage more Westerners and journalists to extract concessions from their governments.
Read Shane’s work for The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/shane-harris/
Follow Shane on X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/shaneharris
Follow Shane on Threads: https://www.threads.net/@shanewharris
Reporting and groups discussed in the episode
"Inside the deal that led to a blockbuster prisoner swap between US, Russia" by Shane Harris, Yasmeen Abutaleb & Souad Mekhennet: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/08/01/deal-us-russia-prisoner-swap/
Committee to Protect Journalists: https://cpj.org
James Foley Legacy Foundation: https://jamesfoleyfoundation.org
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Aug 6, 2024 • 1h 12min
S8 Ep56: Israel, Iran, and Hezbollah on the brink with Phillip Smyth
In today’s special episode, Phillip Smyth, a leading expert on Iranian-backed militias, returns to dissect the latest wave of conflict in the Middle East. Recent escalations have claimed the lives of a dozen Israeli civilians and two senior leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah. Retaliation from Iran and its allies is expected at any moment, leaving the region once again on the brink of a potentially more widespread and unrestrained war. Phillip sheds light on who these two men were and what their deaths mean for their organizations, parses the delicate messaging and maneuvering behind the scenes, and offers his insights on what Iran and Hezbollah’s imminent response might entail.
Phillip’s work for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/phillip-smyth
Phillip’s work for West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center: https://ctc.westpoint.edu/authors/phillip-smyth
Follow Phillip on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PhillipSmyth
Reporting discussed in the episode
"Who Is Fuad Shukr, Target of the Israeli Strike on Beirut?" by Aaron Boxerman, Ronen Bergman & Euan Ward: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/world/middleeast/fuad-shukr-hezbollah-israel-strike.html
"Bomb Smuggled Intro Tehran Guesthouse Months Ago Killed Hamas Leader" by Ronen Bergman, Mark Mazzetti & Farnaz Fassihi: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html
"Iran Arrests Dozens in Search for Suspects in Killing of Hamas Leader" by Farnaz Fassihi: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/world/middleeast/iran-security-response-hamas-assassination.html
"Houthis Launch Deadly Drone Strike on Tel Aviv, Evading Israel’s Defenses" by Gabby Sobelman, Aaron Boxerman, Ronen Bergman, Lara Jakes & Erin Mendel: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/world/middleeast/houthis-drone-strike-tel-aviv.html
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Aug 3, 2024 • 42min
S8 Ep55: How autocracies try to undermine democracy with Anne Applebaum
On today’s podcast, we are joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning author, historian, and journalist Anne Applebaum. In this episode, we discuss Anne’s latest book, Autocracy Inc., which examines how and why autocracies try to undermine democracy.
We also consider what can be done to better protect ourselves from anti-democratic propaganda.
Find out more about “Autocracy Inc” here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/725302/autocracy-inc-by-anne-applebaum
Connect with Anne and find out more about her work here: https://www.anneapplebaum.com
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Jul 27, 2024 • 1h 19min
S8 Ep54: Espresso Martini | Russian agents target the Olympics, Trump assassination attempt and President Biden steps out of the Presidential race
Today, we will look at a Russian operative who was arrested in France, details on the failed assassination of Donald Trump, and a little at President Biden stepping out of the 2024 Presidential race.
On Extra Shot we will be looking at a developing spy case in Australia, Tech Broligarch’s courting Trump, influences driving extreme misogyny and a former US analyst accused of spying for South Korea
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Article Discussed on Espresso Martini
https://theins.ru/en/politics/273350
https://www.twz.com/news-features/experienced-snipers-break-down-the-trump-assassination-attempt
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/23/us/politics/cheatle-secret-service-director-resigns.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/agency-crisis-secret-service-decade-old-staffing-shortfall-rcna162698
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51ydg792ggo
https://theins.ru/en/opinion/weiss/273301
Youtube Videos Chris mentioned
https://youtu.be/zfATfPIpDc4?si=V1Ut0C0tTpnGKJLd
https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?si=IW6QqDzgclbpKtfC
Articles Discussed on Extra Shot
https://www.9news.com.au/national/one-of-two-russians-accused-of-attempting-to-leak-australian-military-secrets-to-moscow-told-colleagues-of-special-forces/2207002f-49a1-4d2f-8d2c-e8ec74b3b20e
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australian-soldier-and-husband-charged-with-spying-for-russia/72e72264-a236-40e9-89c6-ee1bc27dfb90
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/20/tech-broligarchs-court-trump-vance-elon-musk-peter-thiel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cne4vw1x83po
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/16/nyregion/sue-mi-terry-cia-south-korea.html
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Jul 17, 2024 • 36min
S8 Ep53: Unpacking the Assassination Attempt on Donald Trump with Jacob Ware
On today’s special episode, Matt is joined again by Jacob Ware, a research fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations focusing on domestic and international terrorism. Jacob helps make sense of last weekend’s assassination attempt on Donald Trump, placing it in the larger context of political violence in the United States and the ongoing threat to the presidential election.
Read Jacob’s coverage of the Trump assassination attempt and preventing violence in the 2024 election:
https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/trump-assassination-attempt-poses-new-test-us-democracy
https://time.com/6998930/the-trump-assassination-attempt-represents-a-dark-new-chapter-in-american-politics/
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2024-07-15/trump-assassination-attempt-poses-new-test-for-u-s-democracy
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4411720-assassination-attempts-are-on-the-rise-worldwide-is-the-us-next/
https://www.cfr.org/report/preventing-us-election-violence-2024
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https://x.com/Jacob_A_Ware
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Jul 13, 2024 • 1h 27min
S8 Ep52: UK & French Elections, UK defence report and Russian information campaign exposed in US
On today's episode, we will examine who’s who in the new Labour-led UK government, a report on the UK’s armed services, the French elections, and a recently discovered Russian covert information campaign.
On Extra Shot, our Patreon only show we will look at NATO’s 75th anniversary, terrorists returning to Afghanistan, a Chinese spy base in Cuba and GPS under attack.
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Links to articles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0veg88g7jyo
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-intelligence-warning-starmer-major-security-threats-election-3152924
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/new-defence-secretary-john-healey-addresses-mod-staff/
https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/hollow-force-choices-uk-armed-forces
https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-france-elections-2024-national-rally-paris-jordan-bardella-emmanuel-macron-europe/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/business/russian-bots-artificial-intelligence-propaganda.html
On Extra Shot
https://carnegieendowment.org/emissary/2024/07/nato-summit-ukraine-russia-war
https://8am.media/eng/the-taliban-host-terrorist-groups-four-new-settlements-built-for-al-qaeda-and-ttp/
https://features.csis.org/hiddenreach/china-cuba-spy-sigint/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/02/world/gps-threats.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20240708&instance_id=128218&nl=from-the-times®i_id=172310860&segment_id=171610&te=1&user_id=0e295462ed2f443b418b1b6c162349bd
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Jul 5, 2024 • 1h 17min
S8 Ep51: How the KGB and the FSB attempt to subvert Western democracies with Mark Hollingsworth
On today’s episode, Chris speaks with author and journalist Mark Hollingsworth about his book Agents of Influence, which looks at how the KGB attempted to subvert Western democracies during the Cold War and how its replacement agency, the FSB, attempts to do the same now.
Check out Mark’s website for information about him, his book and his other work: https://markhollingsworth.co.uk/
And get a copy of “Agents of Influence” here: https://markhollingsworth.co.uk/agents_of_influence/
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Jun 28, 2024 • 47min
S8 Ep50: Conspiracies, Disinformation, and Mission Implausible with John Sipher and Jerry O’Shea
On today’s episode, Matt speaks to former senior CIA officers and now co-founders of Spycraft Entertainment, John Sipher and Jerry O’Shea, to discuss their podcast, Mission Implausible.
In their careers with the clandestine service, John and Jerry, in a sense, created conspiracies, convincing terrorists and hostile foreign governments to believe things that were not true. Now, they’re looking into past and present conspiracy theories to assess what’s real and what isn’t and explore why so many are eager to believe the most outlandish ideas.
Listen and subscribe to Mission Implausible: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-mission-implausible-146774875/
Spycraft Entertainment: https://spycraftentertainment.com/
Follow John on Twitter: https://x.com/john_sipher
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Jun 21, 2024 • 55min
S8 Ep49: God, Guns, and Sedition with Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware
On today’s episode, Matt is joined by terrorism experts Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware to discuss their book, "God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-Right Terrorism in America.” Both are fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations and teach at Georgetown University. Their book examines the far-right’s long embrace of political violence as a tactic, its proliferation through social media, and provides a range of policy advice to counter this movement and extremism in democratic societies.
Purchase God, Guns, and Sedition: https://www.amazon.com/God-Guns-Sedition-Far-Right-Terrorism/dp/0231211228
Bruce and Jacob’s work for the Council on Foreign Relations:
https://www.cfr.org/expert/bruce-hoffman
https://www.cfr.org/expert/jacob-ware
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https://x.com/Jacob_A_Ware
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