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Nov 17, 2023 • 56min
#0090 - Maarten Dalmjin - Sprint Goals
Maarten Dalmijn, expert in Sprint Goals, discusses the significance of having a primary mission for a sprint, measuring outcomes over output, empowering teams, and collaborative processes for determining sprint goals. They highlight the importance of developing a sprint backlog based on goals, prioritizing ideas, overcoming obstacles, and achieving goals through continuous improvement and outcome-focused work.

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Sep 22, 2023 • 1h 4min
#0089 - Joe Justice - Tesla and SpaceX
Joe Justice, expert on self-organizing teams at Tesla and SpaceX, discusses their innovative operating model based on continuous discovery, delivery, and improvement. Topics include parallel processing, company restructuring, self-organizing teams and work environment, intensity and self-care, the founder mindset, urgency for sustainable energy, team alignment, and pastoral care at Tesla.

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Sep 1, 2023 • 1h 6min
#0087 - Stephen Bungay - The Art of Action
Military history expert Stephen Bungay discusses the art of action and how leaders can learn from military history and NATO tactics to lead in uncertain conditions. He explains the concept of mission command, the structure of a strategy briefing, the process of planning and reviewing, and the interlinking of strategy and tactics. He also explores the adoption of mission command by the British Army, the impact of organizational structure on agile practices, and the importance of embracing uncertainty and driving organizational change.

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Aug 17, 2023 • 47min
#0086 - Jose Corella - Empowering teams to take initiative
Former US air force leader, Jose Corella, shares insights on applying leadership principles in civilian organizations. Topics include mission command, red team thinking, servant leadership, and the power of leadership training. Discover how effective leaders empower teams to take initiative and think critically to achieve goals. Practical insights to enhance your leadership skills.

Jul 21, 2023 • 60min
#0085 - Jen Pahlka - Recoding America
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jennifer Pahlka about her new book, Recoding America. Why government is failing in the digital age and how we can do better. In this episode, we discuss why governments at all levels produce poor quality online services, like healthcare.gov in the US, that cost of fortune and a very difficult to use. Jennifer explains that government is hamstrung by a rigid, hierarchical, risk avoidant waterfall culture, where everyone involved adds rules and requirements to protect themselves from blame. But there is an agile product development approach taking hold in government that produces much better outcomes and she discusses how it can and should be implemented in every bureaucracy.
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Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/recoding-america-with-jennifer-pahlka/#read
The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

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Jul 9, 2023 • 45min
#0084 - Jeff Patton - Product thinking and user story mapping
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jeff Patton about product thinking and user story mapping. Jeff emphasises that product thinking focuses on outcomes, not output. He explains that product market fit requires a deep understanding of customers and users problems and a balance of customer desirability, business value and technical feasibility. We discuss how to build a user story map and develop a release plan that reduces your risk and delivers as much value as possible within the time and budget available. Jeff discusses the limitations of requirements and the value of prototyping. He suggests that IT teams should focus on delivering user outcomes rather than delivering requirements. Tune in for insights on how to use user story mapping to deliver great products.
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Connect with Jeff on LinkedIn or at https://jpattonassociates.com/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/product-thinking-and-user-story-mapping-with-jeff-patton/#read
The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

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Jun 23, 2023 • 43min
#0083 - Ryan Lysne - Amazons product development process
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Ryan Lysne a product director at Amazon in charge of the Amazon app, the content creator economy and worldwide events. We ask whether Amazon is agile and discuss the structure of Amazon product teams. Then we talk about the 10 step product management cycle that Amazon product teams use. We talk about how they discover what customers want. How they pitch for funding, the technical development process and their focus on experimentation and analyzing customer behavior. We talk about data as a product, what it takes to make this process a success and the danger of turning it into a new bureaucracy.
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Connect with Ryan on LinkedIn or on Medium
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You can read the podcast transcript at:
https://agiledata.io/podcast/no-nonsense-agile-podcast/amazons-product-development-process-with-ryan-lysne/#read
The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

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Jun 12, 2023 • 48min
#0082 - Peter Lam - Fixing agile transformations
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Peter Lam, a management consultant specialising in fixing agile transformations. We delve into the value of consulting playbooks. The debate around centralised agile approaches and the disconnect between executives and workers. We examine why organisations often revert to bureaucracy after substantial change and the barriers functional silos post to agility. We discuss the Victorian government's flawed COVID response and how executives can foster agile change by removing organisational blockers to team progress. Finally we explore why those rising within a functional hierarchy often resist agility and how executives emphasis on process can stifle innovative organisations.
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The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

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May 26, 2023 • 57min
#0081 - Jem ’Jelly’ D’jalel - Can you be an agile project manager
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss agile project management with certified scrum trainer, Jem Jelly (Jem D'jalel). We ask whether agile project management is possible or if it contradicts the principles of agile. We debate whether projects are inherently predictive, siloed, and staged or whether they can be adaptive fluid and cross-functional. And we discuss whether project managers are inevitably authoritarian assholes or if they can be adaptive servant leaders. Murrays explains how he uses agile practices and principles in project management. While Shane argues they cant co-exist. Join us for this insightful discussion on agile project management
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The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data

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May 13, 2023 • 52min
#0080 - Jim Highsmith - From the Wild West to Agile and Beyond
Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jim Highsmith, one of the authors of the agile manifesto. We discuss the history of software development from the wild west to structured methods. The agile movement and the courageous leaders who implemented it . We talk about what agile is. The agile mindset. The problems agile solves and why it took off. We talk about what's missing from the agile manifesto and what was harder for the industry to understand than people thought. We discuss the problems with the agile industrial complex. The problem with safe. And the life coaches taking over agile coaching. And finally we discuss agile leadership and what comes next? Join us for a fascinating discussion with one of the founders of the agile movement.
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Connect with Jim on LinkedIn or at http://jimhighsmith.com/
Contact Murray via email or Shane on LinkedIn shagility.
The No Nonsense Agile Podcast is sponsored by:
Simply Magical Data
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