
Pineland Underground
The official podcast of the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Liberty, North Carolina. SGM Riley and MAJ Holzmann embark on a journey to provide the best podcast in the military with bi-monthly relentless awesomeness. Real. Bold. Un-restricted.
Latest episodes

Apr 1, 2022 • 1h 4min
Brackforce #1 | I Thought I killed Bin Laden and the dangers of misusing myself
On today’s episode we are joined with MSG Chad Brack from the Non Commissioned Officers Academy. We take a personal look into the story of one Special Forces soldier’s accounts on the importance of education, teamwork, deployments to Afghanistan, and the time he thought that his team killed Bin Laden.

Mar 18, 2022 • 1h 19min
Robin Sage and Unconventional Warfare | The real story of the Special Forces culmination exercise
On today’s episode we are joined with the SWCS Chief of Staff COL Stu Farris, and MSG (Ret) Chris Rogers. We discuss unconventional warfare and how it applies to the Special Forces culminating exercise known as Robin Sage. We address some common misconceptions that typically are associated with military exercises that occur within the local population to help inform and educate the public.Email Us!pinelandunderground@gmail.comUSAJFKSWCS InstagramSpecial Warfare Center (@u.s.armyswcs) • Instagram photos and videosUSAJFKSWCS Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/jfkcenterandschool/YOUTUBE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Hc8cA7jwanKhkU4bed6BwDVIDS:https://www.dvidshub.net/unit/USAJFKSWCSContact the Hosts:Sergeant Major Chuck Ritter - Deputy Commandant at the SWCS Noncommissioned Officer AcademyChuck Ritter InstagramChuck Ritter (@charles.p.ritter) • Instagram photos and videosChuck Ritter LinkedInwww.linkedin.com/in/chuckritterspecialforcesChuck Ritter Facebookcharles.ritter.12Major Bobby Tuttle - Director as the SWCS Language, Regional Education and Culture officeBobby Tuttle FacebookBobby Tuttle | FacebookBobby Tuttle LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbytuttlePineland Underground Recording and Editing TeamTommy StanleyJason Gambardella

Mar 3, 2022 • 1h 5min
Applied Design for Innovation | Graduate Program for Warfighters and Innovation Brokers
On today's episode we are at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA and are joined by Dr. Leo Blanken, MAJ Shawn Redding, MAJ Scott Rowan, and CDR Justin Davis. We discuss applied design for innovation, defense analysis, and the importance of technology to our SOF and partner forces.

Feb 25, 2022 • 1h 16min
Back to the Future | LTG(R) Tovo Reflects on the Cold War and the Future of Army SOF
We had the honor of having LTG(R) Ken Tovo back at the Falcon Snail Pub to record a new episode of Pineland Underground. We discussed the modern geopolitical battlefield, the daily, and weekly life of a general, life lessons and his thoughts of the fundamentals of leaderships that transcend the tactical to strategic levels. His precision in speech never ceases to impress.Email Us!pinelandunderground@gmail.comUSAJFKSWCS InstagramSpecial Warfare Center (@u.s.armyswcs) • Instagram photos and videosUSAJFKSWCS Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/jfkcenterandschool/YOUTUBE:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Hc8cA7jwanKhkU4bed6BwDVIDS:https://www.dvidshub.net/unit/USAJFKSWCSContact the Hosts:Sergeant Major Chuck Ritter - Deputy Commandant at the SWCS Noncommissioned Officer AcademyChuck Ritter InstagramChuck Ritter (@charles.p.ritter) • Instagram photos and videosChuck Ritter LinkedInwww.linkedin.com/in/chuckritterspecialforcesChuck Ritter Facebookcharles.ritter.12Major Bobby Tuttle - Director as the SWCS Language, Regional Education and Culture officeBobby Tuttle FacebookBobby Tuttle | FacebookBobby Tuttle LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbytuttlePineland Underground Recording and Editing TeamTommy StanleyJason Gambardella

Feb 4, 2022 • 1h 11min
Forged In Fire | SGM Chuck Ritter. Mindset, Recovery and Perseverance
On today's episode, we are joined by SGM Chuck Ritter, SGM Jimmy Dauteuil, and MAJ James Blackburn. In this episode, we hear the story of SGM Ritter's actions in combat, his road to recovery following his injuries, and his drive to get back into the fight. We discuss 'shifting mindset' - from failing Bowling Class at community college to leading Green Berets in battle. Stories to Robin Sage, it's never cool to be ignorant and knowing the difference between Army Special Forces and other Special Operation Units.SGM Chuck Ritter currently serves as the Deputy Commandant of the Army Special Operations NCO Academy. SGM Jimmy Dauteuil serves as the Command Sergeant Major of 1st Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group and MAJ James Blackburn serves as the Language, Regional Education, and Culture Director at the Special Warfare Center and School. Chuck Ritter contact and social media:charles.p.ritter@gmail.comChuck Ritter (@charles.p.ritter) • Instagram photos and videoswww.facebook.com/chuck.ritter.12Chuck Ritter (@ChuckRitter7) / Twitter

Jan 21, 2022 • 1h 4min
Silicon Valley and SOF | Driving Innovation
On today’s episode of Pineland Underground we sit down with Mr. Bill Warner, member of the renowned Naval Postgraduate School Foundation Advisory Council. We discuss the drive for innovation through collaboration across Silicon Valley and Special Operations. We dive into Applied Design for Innovation at the Naval Postgraduate School, thoughts on Cyber and China, and the “innovation engine” as it applies to startups, Stanford, and SOF.

Jan 7, 2022 • 58min
Creating the next generation of SOF leaders
The MSG David K. Thuma Noncommissioned Officers Academy - NCOA is tasked with training disciplined NCO’s capable of executing full spectrum Special Operations in complex and ambiguous environments. In this episode we are joined by three NCOA instructors from each of the Special Forces, Civil Affairs, and Psychological Operations regiments. They discuss what it’s like to work at the SWCS NCOA and teach soldiers in order to develop competent and adaptive ARSOF leaders through progressive professional military education.

Dec 17, 2021 • 1h 16min
Digital Dunkirk | Exclusive insight into the Afghan Evacuation
In this episode, we are joined by COL(R) Fred Dummar, a retired Special Forces officer who commanded at every level in Special Forces from Captain to Colonel, with multiple combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Having spent a significant amount of time in Afghanistan himself on active duty and as a defense contractor, COL(R) Dummar discusses the evacuation from Afghanistan and how he aided in the efforts to help get Afghan SOF members out of the country amidst all the chaos.

Dec 15, 2021 • 1h 4min
Talking Trash & Special Operations | A Look Inside this Human Phenomenon
In this episode we are joined by Rafi Kohan, the author of “The Arena” which is a deep dive into wide ranging and interdisciplinary examination of the modern American sports stadium. Rafi is currently researching for his upcoming book on competitive banter a.k.a. talking trash, a human behavioral phenomenon that has existed throughout time, across cultures, and across the world.

Nov 24, 2021 • 1h 26min
A Warrior’s Journey | From Surviving Oppression to Freeing the Oppressed
Today we are joined Green Beret Master Sergeant (Retired) Tu Lam, the inspiration behind Call of Duty: Modern Warfare’s Operator Rōnin (浪人) and founder of Ronin Tactics. Tu shares his story of escaping oppression in communist Vietnam and his road to earning the coveted Green Beret, his time serving as a Special Forces soldier, his post-military career and his return to the JFK Special Warfare Center and School, and sharpening the Warrior way of life.
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