

The TrainingBeta Podcast: A Climbing Training Podcast
Neely Quinn
Hosted by climber, nutritionist, and mindset coach, Neely Quinn, The TrainingBeta Podcast is a regular conversation with rock climbing’s best and brightest, including pro rock climbers, climbing trainers, and other insightful members of the climbing community. You’ll learn how to train for climbing, how to fuel yourself well for climbing, and mindset strategies to help you perform well on the wall and have a great time doing it. Whether you’re a beginner climber or a seasoned pro, you’ll learn something from these conversations, or at the very least, get really stoked to climb and train.
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Jul 26, 2023 • 1h 26min
TBP 236: Common Sense Finger Training with Matt and Alex
Coaches Matt Pincus and Alex Stiger discuss finger training, simplifying the confusing topic for climbers. They share their sustainable finger training protocols and give 3 important tips. The conversation focuses on simplicity and practicality, making their advice easy to follow.

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Jul 19, 2023 • 1h 25min
TBP 235 :: How to Get Better at Climbing by Watching World Cups
In this episode, I talk with Coach Alex Stiger about what she learns from watching all of the Climbing World Cups and how she uses those videos to teach her clients about their own climbing. You can passively watch any sport you want, but if you’re actually an athlete in that sport, you can turn those viewings into active learning sessions by asking yourself a few questions and being really observant.
Here’s what we talked about:
Why she chose this topic right now
Why it’s important to have heroes in your sport
What World Cup climbers can teach you What good climbing actually looks like
What trying hard looks like
How to be brave and try hard til the end
Awareness of rope management while climbing
Confidence in your body type by watching similar climbers at an elite level
Normalizing success, failure, disappointment, elation, etc. while climbing
What questions to ask yourself while watching in order to get the most out of it
Having goals after watching
Why you should actively watch other climbers at the gym and at the crag (and who to watch)
Specific resources to watch
Things to be aware of for your own well-being while watching
I really loved how organized and thoughtful Alex was about this interview. I learned a lot and will be watching World Cups with a new lens now, and I hope you will too.
Show Links Enroll in Alex’s 5.12 Breakthrough Series until July 28th, 2023
Work with Alex as your coach
Try out our Bouldering Training Program
Have questions? Email alex@trainingbeta.com or neely@trainingbeta.com

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Jul 13, 2023 • 1h 25min
TBP 234: Thomas Cunningham on Biohacking for Climbing Performance
ER physician and climber Thomas Cunningham discusses biohacking techniques for climbing performance, including using a Whoop tracker, continuous glucose monitoring, and optimizing fueling strategies. The podcast delves into topics such as strength training, metabolic flexibility, personalized nutrition, and recovery optimization for climbers.

May 24, 2023 • 1h 12min
TBP 232: A Roadmap and a Checklist for Sending Route Projects Faster
In this episode, I sat down with Coach Matt Pincus to talk about his infamous “checklist” that he uses when he’s projecting a route (or a boulder – but usually routes). As a coach, often Matt’s job is less about creating strength training programs and more about using tactics to get people up their projects in an efficient way.
He’s found that he’s been having a lot of conversations with clients lately about how to approach their route projects, now that it’s climbing season in a lot of places. This episode is dedicated to helping people approach hard projects (and sometimes even not-so-hard projects) to help keep yourself motivated and on the trajectory to a send.
Matt uses a checklist of links and accomplishments he wants to make on a route before the final checkbox of sending. He shares how he creates that list, depending on what kind of route it is.
He also talks about the following:
A couple examples of his own project checklists
3 things he sees people do wrong while projecting
Planning your climbing day efficiently
Top down vs ground-up
When to start being tactical on a route
When to start giving redpoint burns
Show Links Train with Coach Matt Pincus
How to Approach Routes Systematically: Top Down or Ground Up – Article by Matt
Podcast Episode 134: The Principles of Projecting with Matt
Article on Projecting Principles by Matt
Train with Matt Pincus If you want Matt to help you with your own goals, whether they’re with bouldering or route climbing, he’s available for month-long commitments where he’ll talk with you over zoom and create a program for you and keep in touch with you via the TrueCoach app throughout the month.
He’ll help you get stronger overall and cater to your specific goals so the timing is right for you to send when it’s time to send.
Learn More about Working with Matt

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May 10, 2023 • 1h 39min
TBP 231: Common Sense Energy Systems Training with Alex and Matt
Coaches Alex and Matt simplify energy systems training for climbers, discussing power endurance, endurance, strength, and power. They explain training requirements and workouts for each system, acknowledging the constant shifts climbers experience. Their advice is easy to follow and based on extensive coaching experience.

Apr 26, 2023 • 1h 19min
TBP 230 :: Alex Stiger on How to Approach the Different Angles of Climbing
Steep Climbing Workshop May 2nd, 2023 Coach Alex Stiger is hosting a 2-hour presentation + Q&A on how to train for steep climbing on the wall and off the wall. She’ll be using a series of videos and other resources to describe some climbing drills, strength training tactics, and mindset shifts to help you feel less intimidated and more confident on steeper angles of climbing.
Alex will show you all the drills, all the strength exercises, and all the mindset practice you need to unlock steep climbing for yourself. You’ll find out exactly what to incorporate into your training plan and climbing sessions in this 2-hour workshop.
What: Live presentation with Q&A throughout and afterward
When: May 2nd at 6-8:15pm MDT
Where: Zoom (you’ll receive details after purchase)
Recorded: Everything will be recorded in case you can’t make it live
Online Course: 3 months access to videos, drills, etc, from the presentation
Cost: $39
If you sign up by this Friday, April 28th, you’ll be entered in a raffle to win Alex’s recent 5.12 Breakthrough Series (all the recordings), which is about 7 hours of video/audio content and worth $147.
Sign Up for the Steep Climbing Workshop
How to Approach the Different Angles of Climbing In this episode, I talk with TrainingBeta Coach, Alex Stiger, about the differences between the different angles of rock climbs:
slab
vertical
slightly steep (less than 30 degrees)
standard steep (30-45 degrees)
We go over our own experience and mindset around each angle of climbing, what skills are involved with each, how to strength train for each, and mindset issues that come up around all of them.
This is a lovely little exploration into the nuances of all of these different angles of climbing, and once again, Alex came prepared with a detailed outline of information that’s usable right away and interesting to listen to. She truly is such a keen observer of our sport.
Show Links Enroll in Alex’s Steep Climbing Workshop
Work with Alex as your coach
Have questions? Email alex@trainingbeta.com or neely@trainingbeta.com
Photo Credit Daila Ojeda enjoys the views of Monaco while climbing at La Turbie, France. Photo by Colette McInerney @etteloc

Apr 19, 2023 • 1h 26min
TBP 229: Thomas Cunningham Climbs 14c as an ER Doc and Father of 3
A couple weeks ago, Sam Elias texted me and said, "Hey. This ER doctor here in Louisville just sent his first 14c... He's SUPER intelligent and really researched about training, nutrition, and personal optimization. I think y'all should have him on the podcast. He has a lot to offer."
Turns out this was his second--not first--14c, which I found out in my interview with him, but everything else Sam said about Thomas was spot on, and I was psyched to reach out to him for an interview.
Thomas is a 36-year-old emergency medicine physician and father of 3 children from Louisville, KY who's been climbing for around 20 years. After talking to him for a while, I realized he is SUPER scientific about everything he does in climbing. This is no surprise because he's quite an overachiever in his academic/professional life as well.
He's published a bunch of academic papers, he was chief resident at the University of Louisville Department of Emergency Medicine a while back, and WHILE he was doing that, he started a medical device company, Inscope Medical, and was VP of Innovations. He also completed an IronMan while he was an intern resident.
So he's an ambitious person, to say the least, and that means he has less time than some of us for climbing and training.
Only getting outside climbing around 10-15 days per year, and focusing all of that time on very hard projects, he has learned that his training and all of his days outside have to be hyperfocused and specific.
He takes us through his training program, including how he trains aerobic capacity, power, power endurance, and strength. He also talks about his research (he's also a researcher!) on the use of a continuous glucose monitor (CGM) to figure out what food fuels him best, and at what times of day.
He's currently doing some experimentation with Sam Elias with a CGM, and Thomas and I talked about having a part 2 to this discussion to go more in-depth about that and how he uses other monitors like the Whoop in his every day life and training. More to come on that, though.
This interview and our talk afterward actually inspired me to get a Whoop myself (no affiliation, but check it out if you're interested in biodata).
Oh, and we also talked about how he rehabbed not one but two pulley ruptures and came back stronger afterward.
I loved this talk - it was super inspirational on all levels - and I hope we hear a LOT more from Thomas in the coming years. He will be an asset to the climbing community to take us to the next level in training scientifically, like so many other mainstream sports have already done.

Mar 30, 2023 • 1h 11min
TBP 228 :: Majka Burhardt on Being a Pro Climber while Raising Twins
In this interview I talk with professional ice and mixed climber, Majka Burhardt, about her new book, More. In it, she describes the transition she went through from being a full-time pro climber to having twins and balancing her life with her two children as a new part of it.
The book is a compilation of letters she wrote to her kids through the first 6 years of their lives about the emotional rollercoaster she went on trying to balance it all. Not only is Majka a climber and a mother, she also founded an international non-profit called Legado that works with indigenous cultures to make sure they have what they need for their communities and their environments to thrive. We discuss how she makes time for all of the things she juggles in her life so successfully.
We talk about how motherhood changed her life as a climber, how it affected her relationship with her husband, and how she’s grown from it. We talk about how female climbers have very few rolemodels for how to be a climber and a mother and make it all work, and we talk about how her parenting style is so different from what she received as a child (it’s really quite progressive).
This was a super inspirational conversation, and if you’re a parent or an aspiring parent, Majka’s wise words will likely resonate with you.

Mar 15, 2023 • 1h 31min
TBP 227: How to Stay Motivated (Almost) All the Time with Alex Stiger
Climbing Fitness Breakthrough Series Before we get started, Coach Alex Stiger is hosting a 4-part series all about how to increase your overall climbing fitness. She will do 4 weekly 90-minute zoom calls starting March 21st all about how to use efficient, quick sessions in the gym to reliably make you feel stronger and have more endurance.
The cost is $147 (2-payment option available), and you’ll get all of the recordings of the zoom calls, a group Slack channel where you can ask Alex questions for the month, plus a bonus recorded coaching session with one of the participants.
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FITNESS BREAKTHROUGH SERIES How to Stay Motivated in Your Climbing In this episode, I talk with Coach Alex Stiger about the ways she stays so motivated in her climbing almost all the time. It’s actually really amazing to me that she’s so psyched so often…
Alex is a firm believer that if we are enjoying what we’re doing, we will make the most progress in whatever we’re doing. AND we’ll have an amazing happiness-building activity for the long haul.
These are some of the questions we pondered in this episode
Should training be torture??
Why is that concept so romanticized
Why do we treat climbing and training like two separate things?
How did old school mentalities shape how we are approaching our sport today?
How can we stop believing that doing things we don’t want to do will make us better?
How did our childhood sports and gym class shape the way we think about climbing and training?
One of Alex’s superpowers is staying psyched 80+ % of the time, and she thinks that partly comes down to her being homeschooled and always being able to choose what she was doing with her time. We talk about how her habits and her great success with horsemanship in her younger years really shaped how she thinks about climbing now.
She doesn’t do what she doesn’t want to do. She gives herself freedom to choose between structures and that works really well for her.
She knows exactly what is on her “love to do” and “don’t love to do list” and she checks in regularly because it changes.
She recognizes that what might affect her climbing and training psych the most is life factors and she takes that really seriously. Her desire to enjoy her sport is a driving force to de-stress, optimize, create space, and in general increase her well being. Stress is a big enemy of motivation!
The Tools She Uses to Help Keep Motivation High
We talk about all of these tools in detail in the interview.
Other people
Routine
Timers
Measuring progress
Setting mini goals
Having a hard session time stop
Regular “want” weeks
Fueling for my sessions
Strategic planning to avoid feeling late or rushed
Mental check ins (green, yellow, orange, red)
Acknowledging “druthers” out loud
Gratitude practice
You’ll find a lot of common sense tactics to make our sport sustainable, but also some surprising little hacks that Alex has come up with to make it fun for herself almost all the time. I loved this talk with Alex 🙂
Show Links Enroll in Alex’s Climbing Fitness Breakthrough Series
Work with Alex as your coach
Have questions? Email alex@trainingbeta.com or neely@trainingbeta.com

Mar 8, 2023 • 1h 36min
TBP 226: How Bridget Roell Went from 13a to 14a with Coach Matt Pincus
This episode is a bit different in that Coach Matt Pincus is the interviewer/coach and I (Neely) am just in it to introduce Matt and his guest, Bridget Roell. Bridget is a long-time climber who was working her first 5.13b when she first reached out to Matt a few years ago to coach her.
Through the training and tactics they employed, she was able to send her first 5.13b's, her first 5.13c’s, and her first 5.14a, which was her long-term goal. In this conversation, they talk about the changes they made in her physical training and her redpointing tactics that helped her the most. They also discuss her goals going forward and help her with her training right now.
This one was super inspirational for me, and it really highlights Bridget’s commitment to putting herself out there with her climbing and Matt’s ability to figure out exactly what any level of climber needs to improve.
Show Links Train with Coach Matt Pincus
Bridget’s Instagram @bridget.roell
Train with Matt Pincus If you want Matt to help you with your own goals, whether they’re with bouldering or route climbing, he’s available for month-long commitments where he’ll talk with you over zoom and create a program for you and keep in touch with you via the TrueCoach app throughout the month.
He’ll help you get stronger overall and cater to your specific goals so the timing is right for you to send when it’s time to send.
Learn More about Working with Matt