
Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast
Out of Office is a travel podcast hosted by us, Ryan Davis and Kiernan Schmitt. From early childhood, we were each infected with a serious case of wanderlust (among other things.)
We define travel broadly, from local day trips to high-flyin’ overseas adventures. Every episode, we dig into one topic—ranging from the serious to the silly, the practical to the outlandish—and give advice on how to get out there and explore the world.
Latest episodes

Mar 24, 2022 • 57min
Washington, DC
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan and Ryan share their top picks for the best museums, monuments, restaurants, bars, and activities in Washington DC. Plus, you’ll get to hear why Kiernan used to always fall asleep in DC thinking about Ryan’s history of sordid escapades. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Rick Steves stands up to Russiahttps://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/rick-steves-cancels-russia-tours-ukraine Newport Cliff Walk collapsehttps://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/16/metro/collapsed-section-newport-cliff-walk-could-remain-closed-well-past-summer-season/ Smithsonian National Postal Museumhttps://postalmuseum.si.edu/ OOO Interview with Director of the National Postal Museumhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/smithsonian-national-postal-museum-with-director/id1438098925?i=1000438061317 National Portrait Galleryhttps://www.si.edu/museums/portrait-gallery The Phillips Collectionhttps://www.phillipscollection.org/ The Great Migration series by Jacob Lawrencehttps://lawrencemigration.phillipscollection.org/the-migration-series/panels/3/from-every-southern-town-migrants-left-by-the-hundreds-to-travel-north The National Museum of African American History and Culturehttps://www.si.edu/museums/african-american-museum Department of the Interior Museumhttps://www.doi.gov/interiormuseum FDR Memorialhttps://washington.org/find-dc-listings/franklin-delano-roosevelt-memorial MLK Memorialhttps://www.nps.gov/mlkm/planyourvisit/basicinfo.htm Jefferson Memorialhttps://www.nps.gov/mlkm/planyourvisit/basicinfo.htm Theodore Roosevelt Islandhttps://www.nps.gov/this/index.htm Ethiopian foodhttps://dc.eater.com/maps/best-ethiopian-restaurants-dc-map SUNdeVICH Sandwicheshttps://www.sundevich.com/ Zaytinyahttps://www.zaytinya.com/ Teddy and the Bully Barhttps://www.teddyandthebullybar.com/ Lincolnhttps://www.lincolnrestaurant-dc.com/ Busboys and Poetshttps://www.busboysandpoets.com/ The Next Whisky Bar at the Watergate Hotelhttps://www.thewatergatehotel.com/the-next-whisky-bar The Nationals’ Racing Presidentshttps://www.mlb.com/nationals/fans/racing-presidents Georgetown’s “Exorcist” stairshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcist_steps Ryan’s favorite boxer Ryanhttps://www.ksat.com/sports/2022/03/07/inside-the-ring-fight-preview-and-more-with-ryan-garcia-and-oscar-de-la-hoya/ “Greek to Me” by Mary Norrishttps://wwnorton.com/books/Greek-to-Me/

Mar 1, 2022 • 1h 1min
The Gilded Age In New York & Newport With “Bowery Boys” creator Greg Young
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Ryan chats with Greg Young, one half of the creative team behind the New York City history podcast “The Bowery Boys”—one of Kiernan and Ryan’s absolute favorites. Greg talks to us about the new spinoff podcast “The Gilded Gentleman” and where folks can explore the legacy of the Gilded Age around New York City and in Newport, Rhode Island. Things we talked about in today’s episode: Bowery Boys Podcast https://www.boweryboyshistory.com/ The Gilded Gentleman Podcast https://thegildedgentleman.com/ The Gilded Age https://www.hbo.com/the-gilded-age 5th Avenue Millionaire’s Row https://untappedcities.com/2021/10/18/the-gilded-age-5th-avenue-mansions-of-millionaires-row/?displayall=true The Frick Collection https://www.frick.org/ The Cooper Hewitt, Smithsonian Design Museum https://www.cooperhewitt.org/ The Gilded Age Filming Locations https://www.housebeautiful.com/design-inspiration/a38820056/the-gilded-age-hbo-filming-locations-historic-house-museums/ Newport Mansions https://www.newportmansions.org/ The Knick https://www.hbomax.com/series/urn:hbo:series:GVyD7qQNv6oKWYQEAAAHj “How The Other Half Lives” book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Other_Half_Lives The Tenement Museum “Hard Times: 1880s” https://www.tenement.org/tour/hardtimes1880s/ The International Tennis Hall of Fame https://www.halloffameopen.com/tournament-history

Feb 16, 2022 • 38min
China’s New National Park System
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan chats with Bloomberg journalist Karoline Kan about 5 huge new national parks opening up in China. Plus, the boys talk about the removal of the racist Theodore Roosevelt statue from in front of the beloved American Museum of Natural History in New York City and how you can still get a heavy dose of TR on your next visit. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Theodore Roosevelt statue removed from American Museum of Natural History https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/arts/design/theodore-roosevelt-statue-natural-history-museum.html Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library Statement https://www.trlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/TRPL-Announcement-Press-Release-FINAL-1.pdf Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Hall https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/theodore-roosevelt-memorial/hall Bloomberg’s “China is Building the World’s Largest National Park System” by Karoline Kan and Allen Wan https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-12-11/inside-china-s-new-massive-national-park-system Bottom of the Ocean https://www.boto.nyc/

Feb 2, 2022 • 48min
Return of NYT Travel Editor Amy Virshup
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, the Travel Editor of the New York Times Amy Virshup returns to talk about this year’s “52 Places” list. With Covid still making travel unpredictable, this year’s list brings us standout stories of communities that are innovating solutions to overtourism, climate change, and other environmental threats. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: NYT’s “52 Places for a Changed World” https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/travel/52-places-travel-2022.html Amy Virshup’s article describing this year’s list: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/travel/a-different-kind-of-52.html Rock cairns in the National Parks https://www.nps.gov/articles/rockcairns.htm

Jan 18, 2022 • 32min
Traveling to See Wildlife
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan offers some hard-won tips on how to increase your chances of seeing wildlife when traveling to wild places—and how to mitigate your disappointment if you don’t get to spot that elusive bear, moose, or gorilla. Be forewarned: somehow it boils down to taking an interest in poop. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Sample National Park Wildlife List https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/upload/Mammal-Checklist-2016-web.pdf Illinois Woman Charged in Yellowstone https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/211007.htm “The Rescue” Documentary https://films.nationalgeographic.com/the-rescue Wilderness Press “Walking” Series https://shop.adventurewithkeen.com/?s=walking&post_type=product

Jan 8, 2022 • 43min
2022 Travel Resolutions
On this week’s episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan and Ryan each share 3 travel-related New Year’s resolutions in reverse order of ambition. Plus, an analysis of a new Rick Steves’s interview about the Great Europeans Outdoors! Things we talked about in today’s podcast: “How Rick Steves Got Hooked on Hiking” in Outside Magazine https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/hiking-and-backpacking/rick-steves-hiking-mont-blanc/ National capitals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals New River Gorge https://www.nps.gov/neri/index.htm Jonglez “Secret” guides https://jonglezpublishing.com/product-category/secret-guides/ “Unsettling Truth about the ‘Mostly Harmless’ Hiker” in WIRED https://www.wired.com/story/unsettling-truth-mostly-harmless-hiker/ “Pompeii Still Has Buried Secrets” in the New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/11/29/pompeii-still-has-buried-secrets?source=search_google_dsa_paid&gclid=Cj0KCQiA_c-OBhDFARIsAIFg3exm9hMVCb-4PWiMylwJ7nVJjve_WwCEnq5nJ5lRchfjrZOdadO59YwaAn8gEALw_wcB

Dec 22, 2021 • 50min
Christmas Spectacular Four
On this year’s Christmas Spectacular episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan and Ryan make themselves merry exploring Victorian Christmas traditions, why pet dogs get stockings and pet cats don’t, and whether fireplaces are integral to Christmas celebrations. Plus, Ryan talks about two Hudson River Valley historic home tours and the boys wrap things up with their annual Ugly Christmas Ornament Exchange. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Glenview Historic Home https://www.hrm.org/glenview/ Armour-Stiner Octagon House https://www.armourstiner.com/ Tomie DePaola’s Christmas Tree Book https://www.amazon.com/Tomie-dePaolas-Christmas-Tree-Book/dp/0823442381 Rent’s “Christmas Bells” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVcUkol3Eg Banu Gibson’s “I’d Like to Hitch a Ride with Santa Claus” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZBpJOd9iY4 Ryan’s ornament https://www.etsy.com/listing/1096328209/penis-snowflake-ornament?source=aw&utm_source=affiliate_window&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=us_location_buyer&utm_content=652045&awc=6220_1639615067_263b2ecb8085222918f9e35a0534832c&utm_term=0 Kiernan’s ornament https://oldworldchristmas.com/products/santa-with-face-mask-ornament?gclid=Cj0KCQiA5OuNBhCRARIsACgaiqXlQPMrfRgOUO_OWa_F2Mt9MBTX5Zj72WNC3Thdbt4z1mMPxOqyagoaAur9EALw_wcB

Dec 16, 2021 • 56min
Mexico City Updates
On this episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Ryan makes his first return trip to Mexico City in nearly 2 years and shares his top new restaurants, bars, and Covid decontamination chambers. Plus, Titian! Previous CDMX episodes: Numero Unohttps://outofofficepod.com/podcast/episode-18-ryans-12-favorite-mexico-city-spots/ Numero Doshttps://outofofficepod.com/podcast/episode-52-mexico-city-part-dos/ Elena Reygadas - Queen of CDMX Dining Scene Her Personal Insta: https://www.instagram.com/elena_reygadas Salon Rosetta: https://www.instagram.com/salonrosetta/ Pizzeria Lardo: https://www.instagram.com/pizzeria_lardo/ Brunch at Lardo: https://lardo.mx/ Maximo Bistrot https://www.maximobistrot.com.mx/ Galanga (Galanga Thai House) https://galangathai.mx/ The Prom https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Video-First-Look-at-THE-PROM-Spanish-Language-Production-in-Mxico-20211109 Em https://www.itsemilia.rest/ Anónimo Don’t go to the one in Polanco! https://www.instagram.com/anonimo.rest/ Taverna http://taverna.mx/ New Order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(film) Titian: Women, Myth, and Power: https://www.gardnermuseum.org/calendar/exhibition/women-myth-power

Nov 18, 2021 • 52min
Gothic Cathedrals 101
On this episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan and Ryan really Catholic it up talking about the art and architecture of Europe’s Gothic Cathedrals. The boys talk through what features distinguish Gothic architecture, how the Church taught the catechism to the illiterate, and how many groin vaults Ryan has buttressed. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Rick Steves in the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/30/travel/rick-steves-europe-tours.html Gothic Architecture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_architecture San-Chapelle in Paris http://www.sainte-chapelle.fr/en/# The Blood Relic in Bruges, Belgium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_the_Holy_Blood The Last Duel https://www.20thcenturystudios.com/movies/the-last-duel Tomie DePaola https://www.tomie.com/

Oct 28, 2021 • 48min
Salem, MA and the Witch Trials
On this episode of Out of Office: A Travel Podcast, Kiernan gets into the Halloween spirit with a guide to Salem, MA, a town famous for its 1692 witch trials. Today, you can visit lots of attractions tied to this tragic history, as well as majestic old homes, National Park-protected maritime areas, sites tied to Nathaniel Hawthorne, and a statue erected by TV Land commemorating the classic sitcom “Bewitched.” In its mixture of dark history and kitschy fun, Salem is a unique must-visit. Things we talked about in today’s podcast: Day of the Dead episode https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/day-of-the-dead-d%C3%ADa-de-los-muertos/id1438098925?i=1000496703513 Peabody Essex Museum https://www.pem.org/ Salem Heritage Trail https://www.salem.org/blog/heritage-trail/ Salem Maritime National Historic Site https://www.nps.gov/sama/index.htm Witch History Museum https://salemwitchmuseum.com/ Witch Dungeon Museum http://www.witchdungeon.com/witchdungeon.html Bewitched Statue https://www.salem.org/listing/bewitched-statue/ Witch House/Corwin House https://www.thewitchhouse.org/ McIntire Historic District and the Ropes Mansion https://www.pem.org/visit/historic-houses/mcintire-historic-district Hamilton Hall https://www.hamiltonhall.org/ Old Burying Point Cemetery https://www.salem.org/listing/charter-street-cemetery/ Salem Witch Trials Memorial https://salemwitchmuseum.com/locations/witch-trials-memorial/ Proctor’s Ledge Memorial https://salemwitchmuseum.com/locations/proctors-ledge-memorial/ House of the Seven Gables https://7gables.org/ Salem Common https://www.salem.org/listing/salem-common/ Roger Conant Statue https://digitalheritage.noblenet.org/salem/items/show/29 Catland Witch Shop in Bushwick NYC https://www.catlandbooks.com/ The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO https://www.stanleyhotel.com/