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Excess Returns
Excess Returns is dedicated to making you a better long-term investor and making complex investing topics understandable. Join Jack Forehand, Justin Carbonneau and Matt Zeigler as they sit down with some of the most interesting names in finance to discuss topics like macroeconomics, value investing, factor investing, and more. Subscribe to learn along with us.
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Aug 14, 2025 • 1h
64% Never Escape Level Four | Nick Maggiulli on Climbing the Wealth Ladder
In this engaging discussion, Nick Maggiulli, author of Just Keep Buying and The Wealth Ladder, introduces his six-level framework for building wealth. He tackles concepts like "grocery freedom" and the challenges of moving between wealth levels. Nick emphasizes that upward mobility is tricky, sharing strategies for increasing your net worth, from focusing on education to smart investing. He also addresses the risks of ego and the importance of diversification as wealth grows, offering listeners practical insights for financial success.

Aug 7, 2025 • 1h 3min
What Really Drove Buffett’s Success | Kai Wu on Berkshire's Intangible Edge
In this discussion, Kai Wu of Sparkline Capital sheds light on Warren Buffett's significant evolution as an investor. Kai explores how Buffett transitioned from valuing tangible assets to recognizing the power of intangible ones like brand equity and intellectual property. He highlights the surprising fact that Buffett often invests in high price-to-book stocks, rarely buying below book value. Additionally, Kai explains how quantitative methods can help replicate Buffett's successful strategies, emphasizing the future importance of intangible value in investing.

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Aug 5, 2025 • 33min
The Seven Rules of Wall Street | Sam Stovall
Sam Stovall, the Chief Investment Strategist at CFRA and author of The Seven Rules of Wall Street, delves into crucial investing principles grounded in historical data. He highlights the predictive power of January market trends and discusses the merits of momentum investing versus mean reversion. The conversation covers effective sector strategies, the viability of traditional portfolios in today’s climate, and the emotional challenges of investing. Stovall emphasizes the importance of disciplined investment approaches and offers insights into client behavior amidst market volatility.

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Aug 3, 2025 • 60min
The 100 Year Pivot | Navigating a Changing Market with Grant Williams
Grant Williams, a financial expert and writer, shares his insights on navigating today's rapidly shifting market landscapes. He discusses the 'Hundred Year Pivot' as a significant turning point reshaping global economics and societal values. The conversation delves into the implications of the freezing of Russian assets and the increasing trend of central banks investing in gold. Williams also critiques the 'buy the dip' mentality, emphasizing the return to capital preservation and the importance of community and trust in an evolving financial ecosystem.

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Jul 31, 2025 • 56min
The Bubble No One Can Sell | Dan Rasmussen on the Private Equity Trap
Dan Rasmussen from Verdad Advisors joins Kai Wu, guest host from Sparkline Capital, to dissect the hidden perils of private equity. A seasoned critic of this asset class, Rasmussen argues that illiquidity and stale pricing can lead to misallocated capital. They discuss the breakdown of the Yale model and the stark decline in private equity distributions, touching on the allure of small-cap value as an alternative. The conversation also explores potential opportunities in biotech and the impact of AI on economic dynamics.

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Jul 29, 2025 • 58min
Darius Dale on the Fourth Turning, Fiscal Dominance, and the Case for a Melt-Up
Macro strategist Darius Dale, from 42 Macro, dives into the significant shifts affecting today's markets. He discusses the Fourth Turning's implications on fiscal dominance and income inequality. Dale explains his innovative market regime model, Dr. Mo, which adapts to risk effectively. With insights on inflation, tariffs, and AI, he outlines the KISS portfolio strategy that has outperformed the traditional 60/40 model. Despite chaos, Dale maintains a structurally bullish long-term outlook, urging both retail and institutional investors to navigate these turbulent times wisely.

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Jul 27, 2025 • 1h 23min
The Risks of the Rise of Passive Investing | Mike Green
Mike Green, an expert on passive investing's market transformation, delves into why there's no such thing as a truly passive investor. He discusses how inelastic flows distort prices and the implications for market valuation and volatility. The conversation sheds light on the hidden risks of a passive-dominant market, including IPO scarcity and the unexpected consequences of target date funds. Green also explores the challenges posed by shifting demographics and calls for reevaluating regulatory policies in response to these changing dynamics.

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Jul 25, 2025 • 58min
The Case for a Broadening Bull Market | Jim Paulsen
In this engaging discussion, investment strategist Jim Paulsen shares his insights into the current economic landscape. He argues that the private sector may be more resilient than expected, suggesting a recession isn't imminent. Paulsen analyzes the impact of tariffs on consumer spending, highlights a productivity boom driven by technology, and questions the stagnation of corporate dividends despite a bull market. With data-driven clarity, he navigates through political pressures on the Federal Reserve and the market's potential for broader growth.

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Jul 23, 2025 • 57min
You’re Misreading the Rally | Liz Ann Sonders on What is Really Driving Market Returns
Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab, decodes today’s market dynamics with sharp insights. She highlights the impact of rising debt on economic growth and reveals how retail trading influences market moves. Sonders discusses the complacency around tariffs, the shifting landscape of inflation, and the overlooked effects of immigration policy. She also critiques the focus on major stocks and emphasizes the importance of diversifying investments. Her analysis provides investors with a clearer understanding of the complexities in today's financial world.

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Jul 20, 2025 • 50min
This Isn’t Priced In | PIMCO’s Libby Cantrill on the Policy Risks Markets Are Missing
Libby Cantrill, Head of Public Policy at PIMCO, shares her insights on the pressing policy risks that seem overlooked by the markets. She discusses how tariff increases and legislative changes can impact investment strategies. Cantrill highlights the evolving risks to Fed independence and the challenges surrounding GSE reform. The conversation sheds light on how these factors intertwine with fiscal policy and market complacency, suggesting a need for investors to adjust their focus for better positioning in uncertain times.