

Learning Uncut
Michelle Ockers
Learning Uncut is about real conversations around real learning solutions and real experiences with real advice from real people.
We’re all about keeping it “real.”
Here’s an overview of our approach:
Strategy and tactics. We want to unpack the strategy and how-to’s of creating great learning solutions, frameworks and teams.
CONVERSATIONS, NOT SCRIPTED DISCUSSION
Our podcasts are professional but not so edited and polished that they lose their authenticity. We want our audience to hear real people having real conversations and sharing real examples and advice.
PROGRESSIVE
We want to showcase the “unsung L&D heroes” out there doing great work, being brave and trying new things.
PRACTICAL
We invite our guests to share tips and strategies to help listeners take their solutions to the next level. We aim to provide actionable takeaways for our listeners through show notes, links and downloads wherever possible.
We’re all about keeping it “real.”
Here’s an overview of our approach:
Strategy and tactics. We want to unpack the strategy and how-to’s of creating great learning solutions, frameworks and teams.
CONVERSATIONS, NOT SCRIPTED DISCUSSION
Our podcasts are professional but not so edited and polished that they lose their authenticity. We want our audience to hear real people having real conversations and sharing real examples and advice.
PROGRESSIVE
We want to showcase the “unsung L&D heroes” out there doing great work, being brave and trying new things.
PRACTICAL
We invite our guests to share tips and strategies to help listeners take their solutions to the next level. We aim to provide actionable takeaways for our listeners through show notes, links and downloads wherever possible.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Dec 9, 2019 • 34min
41: Taking Learning Global – Nikitah Habraken and Jane Earle
ASHM is the Australasian Society for HIV, Viral Hepatitis, and Sexual Health Medicine, and in this episode we share a story of translation and localization for their learning solution, which at the time of recording has been published in 14 languages across 10 different countries. “Before these new medications came out, hepatitis C was mostly treated in specialist settings, so in a tertiary hospital. And then because these new treatments were much easier, the side effect profile was way less, there came an opportunity to be able to expand hepatitis C treatment out of tertiary care and into the community setting. So into primary care, into drug and alcohol clinics. Really making it easier for the patient to access treatment. But I guess the gap that we saw was that the clinicians that are working in these services traditionally haven't had experience with hepatitis C treatment before. So we saw a need to really upskill this workforce.” Jane and Nikitah talk through their experiences of the logistics of managing this mammoth project, working together in partnership as client and solution provider, co-ordinating a wide range of team members and stakeholders, managing time and budget, selecting the right tools and how strategic partnerships enabled them to get this education into the right hands and help achieve the World Health Organisation goal of eliminating Hepatitis C globally. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/41/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

5 snips
Nov 25, 2019 • 39min
40: Building Empathy in Aged Care - Rebecca Burns
Rebecca Burns, an aged care worker, discusses the use of empathy suits in aged care to increase empathy. They explore the powerful nature of the experience and the reflective process to improve practices. Key tips for building empathy in staff are provided with a call to action for professional development.

Nov 11, 2019 • 39min
39: Using Human-Centred Design to Transform Learning - Gareth Killeen
Gareth Killeen, Head of Learning at Reece, has a rich background in consulting, where he pioneered human-centered design to enhance leadership and learning. He shares how this innovative approach revitalized learning culture at Reece, fostering collaboration and growth. Killeen emphasizes the use of visuals to spark engagement and the importance of feedback for personal development. He encourages a shift from traditional compliance-driven training to creating dynamic, interest-based learning experiences, resulting in a transformative educational journey.

Oct 28, 2019 • 40min
38: Business Impact Through Design Thinking - Damien Woods
Since starting in his role as GM of Learning at National Australia Bank (NAB) Damien Woods has set out to transform organisational learning. In this episode he shares a story that illustrates the kind of shifts underway in learning at NAB. Shortly after starting in this role he visited the NAB Direct Bank Call Centre where he discovered that new starters were in a classroom for 17 days before starting to take customer calls. Using a design thinking approach the learning team redesigned induction. The new blended program reduced the classroom training to just 4 days interspersed with other learning and work activities. The business impact includes a 30% increase in speed to proficiency and 80% reduction in call escalations for new starters. Listen to this episode to hear how this was achieved. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/38/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Oct 14, 2019 • 33min
37: Getting started with AR, VR and 360 Video – Jacinta Penn
Augmented Reality (AR), Virtual Reality (VR), 360 Video - what are all these technologies, how are they different from each other and in what situations are they best used to support learning? Do you need to hire expensive developers for these solutions or can you do it yourself? As a learning designer, how is designing for these modes of delivery different to that of current instructional design practice? Jacinta Penn answers these questions and more to help you start thinking about how you can add another dimension to your learning solutions. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/37/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Sep 30, 2019 • 43min
36: Lessons in data-driven learning – Clay Shearan and Josh Humphries
“As learning designers we so often want to push our content, and maybe all we need is some data to help facilitate the conversations.” “Using data isn't about FOMO, it is about solving a problem and you can get overwhelmed with data. So know what you want to collect otherwise you'll have too much, and you won't be able to make sense of it.” In this episode, Clay Shearan from Woolworths Group and Josh Humphries from Guroo Producer share a case study full of data-driven learning, innovation, risk-taking, dynamic dashboards, and blended learning – all of which they achieved within a three week project timeline! Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/36/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Sep 16, 2019 • 42min
35: Democratising learning through curation - Wes Tobin
“Curation means very different things to a lot of people. Curation is really the art of bringing together different learning assets or resources, to create meaning for people, and for people to find the meaning in that for themselves. If you think about how we traditionally have done things in the past, it's really around creation, getting people from point A to point B, very instructional. Curation is very different to that; how do you bring together multiple points of view, potentially opposing points of view in order for people to find meaning?” In this episode, Wes Tobin shares his team’s curation journey at Westpac and how listening to what learners want and giving instructional designers more freedom is changing the way their organisation learns. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/35/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Sep 2, 2019 • 35min
34: Making the Most of a Conference – Emma Weber and JD Dillon
Conferences are a substantial investment of time and money. However, as our guests Emma Weber and JD Dillon assert, they can be extremely valuable for professional development. We chat with Emma and JD about how they think about conferences and what they do before, during and after a conference to get the most out of the event that they can. Listen out for the similarities and differences in their approach and figure out what will work best for you. If you are interested in getting started with speaking at conferences we encourage you to be brave and give it a go. After all, Learning Uncut is all about sharing stories and conferences are a great forum to do this. Emma and JD provide tips for preparing conference submissions to help get you started. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/34/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Aug 19, 2019 • 34min
33: Enabling performance through deliberately different L&D – Beth Hall
What does it look like to turn the traditional approach to Learning and Development on its head? Cotton Group University has taken a deliberately different approach. They focus on enabling performance, using their learning programs as a toolkit. Beth Hall talks us through the nuts and bolts of how this happens and gives us an overview of their learning culture. Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/33/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series

Aug 5, 2019 • 44min
32: Supporting work with Human-Centred Design - Shawna Murray
Hosts: Karen Moloney & Michelle Ockers Transcript and related resources: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/32/ Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/ Emergent: Podcast information and more episodes: https://learninguncut.global/podcast/?podcast_series=emergent-series