The Leadership Podcast

Dr. Hope Zoeller is the Founder and President of HOPE (Helping Other People Excel), LLC, a consultancy dedicated to helping organizations cultivate effective and impactful leaders.  In this episode, Hope shares why so many leadership programs fail and what companies must do to see real results. Drawing from her experience in corporate leadership, academia, and executive coaching, she unpacks the critical gaps between theory and practice, the hidden power of institutional memory, and why most organizations struggle with succession planning. Hope also challenges leaders to rethink how they engage their teams, emphasizing the importance of asking the right questions in 1:1 conversations and creating a culture of accountability. She dives into why so many leaders today feel burned out and reactive—and what they can do to regain control and lead with intention.  If you’ve ever wondered how to build stronger leaders, make training stick, or future-proof your organization, this conversation is for you. Listen now and start leading differently.   Key Takeaways [04:19] Hope shares how her time in corporate America shaped her leadership perspective. She worked in training and development for years, but when she was pushed into a different role despite her passion, she knew it was time to make a change. "It wasn't about the benefits or the stock. It was about making a difference." [07:06] Leadership training often fails when it’s just a checkbox exercise. Hope emphasizes the need for intentional development tied to company values. "If you're just checking a box, you might be better off not checking it at all." [11:11] Institutional memory can be a roadblock to progress. Hope describes employees who are "keepers of the failure data"—they remember every past mistake but don’t help find solutions. She reframes the conversation: "You were here when it was bad—so what would it look like if it worked?" [20:42] Leaders often resist one-on-one meetings, seeing them as unnecessary, but Hope argues they are essential. "How many of your meetings are actually valuable? Wouldn't your time be better spent investing in your people?" [23:30] Many companies neglect succession planning because they haven’t felt the pain of not having a pipeline. Hope warns, "The pain train is coming." Organizations that fail to prepare will struggle as the workforce shrinks and leadership gaps widen. [29:41] Many leaders today feel burned out and disconnected from their workforce. Hope believes companies need to make it safe for leaders to talk about these challenges. "We have to make it okay to say, 'I'm tired. I need support.' Otherwise, we risk losing our best people." [33:44] Hope shares a powerful analogy: "I can’t help every leader, but I can help some. If we all do that, think about the collective impact we can have." [35:58] And remember, “It is literally true that you can succeed best and quickest by helping others to succeed.” -  Napoleon Hill  Quotable Quotes "It wasn't about the benefits or the stock. It was about making a difference." "If you're just checking a box, you might be better off not checking it at all." "The pain train is coming. Are you ready?" "People don’t leave organizations. They leave people." "It’s not your people who quit and leave that you have to worry about—it’s the ones who quit and stay." "We’re not aiming for perfection. We’re aiming for progress." "I can’t help every leader, but I can help some. If we all do that, think about the collective impact we can have." “Coaching should not be punitive. It should be positive.” "I say as a leader, we need to be asking regularly how we're doing and be checking in.” "Keep showing up. Keep doing the work. Don't, you know, I've got a leader that right now she's so—she thought she was making progress. She got some feedback, and it just set her back to zero. She's like, is this even worth it? And days are going to be hard, and they're going to be harder. I think we're not moving into easier times, we're moving into harder times. So keep showing up and know that you're doing the work, and it will eventually pay off. It will eventually pay off. It's a long game."   This is the book mentioned in this episode   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | HOPE LLC Website | Hope Zoeller Facebook | Hope Zoeller LinkedIn  | Hope Zoeller Instagram |

Dr. Steven Stein, world-renowned clinical psychologist, best-selling author, and MHS founder, consults for military, corporate, and TV shows, specializing in psychological assessment and emotional intelligence. He also hosts the podcast Work Therapy. In this episode, Dr. Steven explores how EI has evolved since its early days and why some leaders still underestimate its impact. Steven explains what leaders often overlook when developing their emotional intelligence and why traits like empathy and self-awareness are more important than ever. He also reveals the hidden factors that differentiate high-performing leaders from those who struggle under pressure. Through real-world examples—including a fascinating case study with the U.S. Air Force—Steven demonstrates how improving EI can directly enhance leadership effectiveness and retention. He also addresses the challenges of maintaining emotional intelligence in high-stress situations and how leaders can foster resilience and adaptability within their teams. As the workplace continues to shift with remote work, AI-driven decision-making, and evolving company cultures, Steven shares actionable strategies for leaders to build trust, authenticity, and engagement in their organizations. Whether you’re a business leader, coach, or aspiring executive, this conversation is packed with valuable lessons on how emotional intelligence shapes leadership success.     Key Takeaways [02:22] Dr. Steven Stein shares that beyond his public achievements, he also leads a 12-piece jazz-rock band, highlighting the intersection of music and leadership. [03:55] Emotional intelligence (EI) has evolved significantly, moving from skepticism to a widely accepted concept influencing leadership, teamwork, and individual performance across various industries. [06:50] A critical aspect of leadership is developing empathy, actively listening, and understanding the emotions of those around you to enhance relationships and decision-making. [09:11] Under stress, leaders may become less empathetic and more directive, which can harm relationships and team dynamics. Maintaining emotional intelligence under pressure is crucial for effective leadership. [12:49] Resilient leaders and first responders thrive under high-stress situations by embracing the "Three Cs": Commitment (to a bigger purpose), Challenge (viewing obstacles as solvable problems), and Control (focusing on what can be influenced). [18:53] As AI and algorithms increasingly influence decision-making, emotional intelligence remains a crucial human advantage, offering insights and adaptability that machines cannot replicate. [22:51] A landmark study with the U.S. Air Force found that emotional intelligence training significantly improved recruiter retention rates from 50% to 92%, demonstrating the tangible impact of EI in the workplace. [29:20] Purpose-driven organizations with emotionally intelligent leadership experience significantly lower turnover rates, as employees feel valued and aligned with the company’s mission. [31:47] The shift to remote work has increased the need for authentic leadership. Employees are now more likely to leave companies rather than just their managers if they lack trust in organizational leadership. [33:44] Key leadership traits for retaining employees include authenticity, respect, clear communication, and allowing employees autonomy while offering guidance and support. [38:07] Many leaders struggle to delegate due to a fear of losing control or a perfectionist mindset. Effective leaders recognize their strengths and empower others to handle areas where they are less skilled. [41:57] Leaders should be aware of employees’ personal struggles without trying to solve them directly, instead offering support and resources to help them navigate challenges. [41:26] Closing quote: Remember “Emotional intelligence is your ability to recognize and understand emotions in yourself and others and your ability to use this awareness to manage your behavior and relationships. ” —  Travis Bradberry   Quotable Quotes "Great leaders master the art of empathy." "Under pressure, emotional intelligence is often the first thing to slip. The best leaders stay self-aware and maintain composure, even in high-stress situations." "Resilience comes down to the 'Three Cs': Commitment to a greater purpose, viewing obstacles as challenges rather than threats, and focusing on what you can control." "Organizations thrive when leadership is authentic. Employees don’t just leave bad managers anymore—they leave companies that lack purpose and integrity." "Emotions play a crucial role in decision-making. The best leaders don’t suppress their emotions; they understand and use them to make better choices." "The best workplaces foster autonomy and respect. Give people ownership of their work, and you’ll see creativity, motivation, and engagement soar." "Leadership isn’t about having all the answers; it’s about empowering the right people to find the best solutions." "Delegation isn’t about losing control—it’s about recognizing where others can excel and trusting them to contribute their expertise." "The true test of leadership is how well you handle uncertainty. Those who adapt and evolve will always stay ahead." "Support your people, but don’t try to be their personal problem solver. A great leader provides resources and guidance without overstepping boundaries." “Emotional intelligence is your ability to recognize and understand emotions in yourself and others and your ability to use this awareness to manage your behavior and relationships. ” —  Travis Bradberry Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Dr. Steven Stein’s LinkedIn | Dr. Steven Stein’s Website | Dr. Steven Stein’s Facebook | Dr. Steven Stein’s Youtube | Work Therapy: When Work Sucks, How Can We Fix It? -

Brandon Young and Blayne Smith are the authors of “Perseverance > Endurance: Lead with Resilience. Grow Through Adversity. Win Together,” and they bring a wealth of leadership experience shaped by their military backgrounds. Brandon, a former U.S. Army Ranger with four combat deployments in Afghanistan, and Blayne, a former Army Special Forces officer, advisory board member of GORUCK, and the first executive director of Team Red, White & Blue, co-founded Applied Leadership Partners in 2020 during the pandemic.  In this episode, they share hard-earned insights on fostering perseverance, embracing uncertainty, and guiding teams through adversity. They discuss how endurance is about surviving challenges, while perseverance is about thriving and growing through adversity.  They cover key leadership principles, including self-awareness, adaptability, and the importance of long-term thinking. They also explore how leaders can create sustainable work environments that encourage perseverance without leading to burnout. Listen in to learn how to differentiate between endurance and perseverance, build adaptability, and lead through uncertainty. This is a powerful conversation.   Key Takeaways [05:36] Brandon explains that endurance is about pushing through a defined hardship, while perseverance is essential for navigating long-term uncertainty and transformation. He shares how COVID-19 forced their business to pivot just three days after launching, leading them to develop a framework for perseverance. [09:43] Blayne describes endurance as a trap for high-performers, explaining that leaders must recognize their limits and ask for help when needed. He uses a baseball metaphor, comparing self-awareness to feeling the warning track before hitting the wall. [12:20] Jim suggests that endurance is like management—rationing resources to sustain effort—whereas perseverance is about leadership, making tough calls in uncertainty. Brandon agrees, adding that perseverance requires embracing the unknown and making the best possible choice at each step. [18:27] Brandon explains that no plan survives first contact. Leaders must plan, but they must also recognize that external factors will always play a role. Planning is about preparation, not prediction. He stresses that adaptability is crucial, as rigid plans often fail in dynamic situations. [22:08] Blayne emphasizes the importance of creating a culture where people feel safe making decisions. Leaders must set clear intent and boundaries while allowing flexibility. He warns that if leaders punish employees for making mistakes in earnest, they kill initiative across the team. [24:03] Brandon explains that pride is the enemy of growth. Leaders must be willing to acknowledge their blind spots and learn from failure. Blayne adds that having a "white belt mentality"—constantly seeking to learn—helps leaders grow and gain credibility with their teams. [29:39] Brandon shares that the hunger for excellence exists in all workplaces. Leaders must cast a clear vision, help employees see themselves in that vision, and create an environment where they can opt in or out. He emphasizes the importance of accountability and allowing people to step up when needed. [35:41] Blayne recalls a time when he realized that leaders need to communicate proactively. He assumed his team knew where his head was at, but they didn’t. This experience taught him the importance of over-communicating and being transparent with his team. [39:10] Blayne suggests that leaders must model a sustainable pace. Transparency about work-life balance gives employees permission to do the same. Brandon adds that leaders should extend the time horizon—understanding that success comes in peaks and valleys and that employees need time to recharge to perform well over time. [44:04] And remember, “Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after the other.” - Walter Elliot   Quotable Quotes "When you're enduring, you're holding on. When you're persevering, you're moving forward." "Self-awareness is knowing when you’re on the warning track before you hit the wall."  "The enemy gets a vote. No plan survives first contact, and that’s why adaptability is key."  "Pride is the enemy of growth. Perseverance payoff is growth."  "If you can’t take 60 minutes to step away, you’re setting yourself up for failure."  "It's not about less intensity, it's not about less excellence, it's about perspective. And if you can provide that for your people and model it, then you can get people to work really hard, really long and do really hard stuff knowing that it's okay that there's not an end. Because we can do this in a sustainable way."​  "Plans are necessary, but adaptability determines success."    This is the book mentioned in this episode   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Blayne Smith LinkedIn | Brandon Young LinkedIn | Website | The Applied Leadership Podcast can be listened to and watched at the following links: Spotify - Apple Podcasts - YouTube - Facebook | LinkedIn | Instagram |

Elizabeth Lotardo, author of “Leading Yourself: Find More Joy, Meaning, and Opportunities in the Job You Already Have (Despite Imperfect Bosses, Weird Economies, Lethargic Coworkers, Annoying Systems, and Too Many Deliverables),” is also a LinkedIn Learning instructor. In this conversation, Elizabeth offers valuable insights on self-leadership, personal accountability, and employee engagement, emphasizing the importance of taking ownership of your work experience rather than waiting for external circumstances to change. She unpacks the three essential traits of self-leaders, explores the dynamic between corporate and personal responsibility in fostering engagement, and highlights the critical role of emotional intelligence in professional development. Additionally, Elizabeth discusses the evolving impact of AI on the workforce, strategies for receiving and applying feedback effectively, and the importance of strong networks for career growth. Listen in at The Leadership Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts to gain practical, actionable strategies to take control of your career and create meaningful, fulfilling work experiences.   Key Takeaways [04:03] Elizabeth wrote Leading Yourself after noticing how many professionals underestimate their power at work. People often focus on what they can’t control—like their boss or the economy—rather than what they can. She discovered that self-leadership is a predictor of both professional success and personal happiness. [06:00] While companies benefit from engaged employees, Elizabeth argues that individuals have personal responsibility for their engagement. Instead of waiting for leadership or HR to improve things, employees should develop tools to sustain their own engagement. “If you’re waiting to be engaged until your boss changes, you’re paying a personal price for that,” she says. [07:19] Self-leaders share three traits: Mastering their mindset – They create confidence and purpose instead of waiting for it. Elevating their behavior – They actively improve how they show up at work. Building intentional relationships – They expand their network inside and outside their organization. [12:45] Elizabeth highlights the importance of sitting with feedback rather than immediately rejecting it. “We assume we must either accept or reject feedback, but strong leaders take time to process it first,” she explains. She suggests looking for the “note behind the note” to understand the deeper insight behind criticism. [18:29] Elizabeth sees self-leadership and emotional intelligence as deeply connected. Leaders with high emotional intelligence understand themselves, navigate relationships effectively, and take ownership of their career. She predicts that these skills will become even more critical as AI and automation reshape work. [22:36] Elizabeth advises people to focus on what they can control, even in overwhelming situations. When handed a difficult goal, instead of fixating on external challenges, break it down into personal actions. “What do you uniquely own? That’s where your energy should go,” she says. [29:03] Building relationships should not be accidental. Strong self-leaders proactively expand their networks. This not only helps with career growth but also provides the right support system when facing challenges. [32:42] Elizabeth dedicates her book to her son with the message: “You are never powerless.” She urges listeners to remember that while they can’t control everything, they always have the ability to control their response and mindset. [34:00] And remember, I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self. - Aristotle  Quotable Quotes “If you’re waiting to be engaged until your boss changes, you’re paying a personal price for that.” “Self-leaders don’t wait for confidence, purpose, or permission—they create it.” “People assume feedback must either be accepted or rejected. But strong leaders sit with it first, unpacking what’s behind it before deciding how to act.” “Being intentional about your relationships is just as important as being intentional about your work.” “The people who embrace AI and learn how to use it will have a competitive advantage. The ones who resist it will fall behind.”   This is the book mentioned in this episode   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Elizabeth Lotardo LinkedIn | Website |

Kristel Bauer is a corporate wellness & performance expert, keynote speaker, TEDx speaker & the host of the Live Greatly podcast. She is the author of “Work-Life Tango: Finding Happiness, Harmony, and Peak Performance Wherever You Work.” Kristel shares a fresh perspective on work-life harmony, moving beyond outdated notions of balance. Using the metaphor of the tango dance, Kristel explains how leaders can move with the rhythm of their lives—adjusting, leading, and following at different moments.  She discusses how leaders can model self-care, create meaningful workplace connections, and foster a culture that prioritizes well-being without sacrificing performance. She also explores the power of small adjustments—what she calls "checkpoints"—to help leaders and teams navigate work and life with greater fulfillment.  If you’ve ever struggled with burnout, guilt about work-life boundaries, or felt pressure to “do it all,” this episode will offer a fresh perspective.     Key Takeaways [01:43] Kristel Bauer shares her background in integrative medicine and how her experience in psychiatry and functional medicine shaped her understanding of well-being. She discusses the importance of continuous learning and expanding one’s perspective. [04:41] Kristel explains that the traditional concept of work-life balance isn’t practical in today’s world, where technology blurs the lines between work and home. Instead, she envisions work and life as a dance—fluid, dynamic, and adaptable. The metaphor of tango captures the movement, energy, and passion needed to navigate both work and personal life successfully. [07:40] Kristel advocates for inner balance. She emphasizes that leaders should focus on making choices aligned with their values rather than achieving a perfect 50/50 split between work and life. [12:15] Kristel highlights that leaders must first take care of themselves before they can effectively support their teams. She encourages leaders to model self-care, prioritize relationships, and create a culture where employees feel valued. Simple gestures—like checking in with team members informally—can have a profound impact. [17:17] She advocates for informal check-ins between leaders and employees to foster trust and open communication. A simple five-minute conversation can help team members feel valued and understood. [20:22]When addressing fairness in the workplace, Crystal suggests focusing on employee output rather than rigid work schedules. She acknowledges the challenges leaders face in maintaining fairness while ensuring productivity. [23:56] Kristel shares a real-life example of a leader adjusting an employee’s work schedule after learning about their struggles. She emphasizes that small changes can significantly improve employee well-being and performance. [30:07] She advises employees who are unhappy at work to focus on transferable skills and learning opportunities while seeking new opportunities. She encourages people to perform with integrity and intention, regardless of job satisfaction.  [34:17] The book introduces "checkpoints" to encourage self-reflection and intentional decision-making. Crystal believes that regularly assessing one's priorities can help people feel more empowered and aligned with their goals. [35:38] Closing quote: Remember,“Happiness is not a matter of intensity but of balance, order, rhythm, and harmony” —  Thomas Merton   Quotable Quotes "Work-life balance isn’t about a perfect split—it’s about finding harmony between what matters most to you." "Leadership isn’t just about managing tasks; it’s about showing up as your best self so you can inspire others to do the same." "Small moments of connection with your team can make a big impact—never underestimate the power of a five-minute conversation." "True balance isn’t about counting hours—it’s about aligning your work and life with your values." "If you don’t take care of yourself, you can’t show up fully for your team. Great leadership starts with personal well-being." "Success isn’t about avoiding challenges; it’s about learning how to navigate them with confidence and adaptability." "You don’t have to love your job to learn from it. Every role offers skills and experiences that can help you grow." "The best leaders create an environment where people feel safe to share, grow, and bring their best selves to work." "Instead of striving for perfection, focus on progress. Small adjustments can lead to big changes in how you feel and perform." "Leadership isn’t about having all the answers—it’s about listening, learning, and creating space for others to thrive." “Happiness is not a matter of intensity but of balance, order, rhythm, and harmony” —  Thomas Merton   This is the book mentioned in this episode   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Live Greatly Website | Live Greatly YouTube |   Live Greatly Facebook | Kristel Bauer LinkedIn | Kristel Bauer Instagram | Live Greatly X (Twitter)  |

Stuart Grazier is a full time entrepreneur and a retired Navy pilot. Stuart is also the co-founder and co-host of The Kinetic Man, a podcast to empower.  Stuart opens up about the flawed definitions of success that many people grapple with. He shares the transformative role of community, faith, and vulnerability in shaping a fulfilling life and career. Stuart delves into the importance of tribes, both in personal and professional contexts, and explains how clarity and intentionality can guide individuals toward meaningful growth. Through insightful anecdotes and lessons from his podcasting journey, Stuart provides actionable advice for leaders at all stages.      Key Takeaways [04:01] Stu opens up about the societal pressures that lead men to chase worldly definitions of success—power, money, and sex. He emphasizes the need to shift focus toward personal values and purpose, highlighting the loneliness epidemic and its ties to these flawed ideals. [06:55] Discussing life after the military, Stu describes the challenges veterans face in redefining their identity. Losing the structure and tribe of military life can leave veterans feeling isolated. He stresses the importance of intentionally finding new communities to belong to. [09:20] Humans are designed for connection, as seen in both religious teachings and research studies. Stu emphasizes that relationships are key to happiness and that intentional efforts to build community are vital. [14:05] Stu shares his journey of self-discovery through mentorship, reflection, and accountability. He recounts how mentors helped him identify blind spots and guided him toward actionable steps to improve his life and leadership. [21:24] Stu shares small yet impactful habits learned from guests, like taking walks to spark creativity and creating a daily connection with family through shared rituals. [27:16] Stu discusses the evolution of his faith and why living authentically and sharing his beliefs openly is central to his leadership and personal philosophy. [32:40] Stu describes vulnerability as a superpower and explains how spending time in nature fosters deeper reflection and connection. He emphasizes the importance of outdoor activities in maintaining mental, emotional, and spiritual health. [36:32] Stu and the hosts discuss the value of serving others as a way to move through personal struggles. Stu explains that focusing on others can bring clarity, reduce stress, and create a sense of purpose. [39:16] And remember, People who add value to others do so intentionally. I say that because to add value, leaders must give of themselves, and that rarely occurs by accident. -  John Maxwell Quotable Quotes "If you don’t change anything, what does your life look like 10 years down the road?" "The shortest distance between two people is vulnerability." "You can’t find clarity without first facing the hard truths about yourself." "Community and purpose are not optional; they are essential." "Failing is okay. It’s how you learn and grow." "Let’s work on ourselves first, starting with tiny, incremental changes." "You never know who needs to hear your story. Holding it back is a missed opportunity." "Nature has a way of opening up the soul and creating space for growth." "Your identity isn’t your title; it’s who you are at your core." "Find your tribe. Life is better when you’re not doing it alone."   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Stu Grazier LinkedIn | The Kinetic Man Website | YouTube | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter | Podcast |

In this insightful discussion, Sarah Dalton, co-author of "The Five Talents that Really Matter," shares her expertise in talent assessment. She unveils the five essential leadership talents: setting direction, harnessing energy, exerting pressure, increasing connectivity, and controlling traffic. Sarah challenges conventional hiring biases and highlights the importance of identifying innate leadership qualities over traditional resumes. She advocates for structured selection processes and emphasizes the value of balanced teams to drive effective leadership.

Dr. Debra Clary is a narrative scientist and author of “The Curiosity Curve.” In this episode, Debra discusses the transformative power of curiosity in leadership and organizational culture.  She shares her unconventional journey from aspiring stand-up comic to corporate executive at Fortune 50 companies, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness, persistence, and storytelling in leadership. Debra explains how curiosity can be learned and measured, highlighting its positive impact on leadership performance, employee engagement, and innovation.  She recounts experiences from her career and personal life, including her one-woman show “A Curious Woman,” which explored lessons from her corporate career with humor and vulnerability. Listen in to hear how you can foster curiosity in your teams, create psychological safety, and embrace feedback as a tool for growth and transformation.     Key Takeaways [03:23] Dr. Debra Clary shares her background as a stand-up comic before transitioning into the corporate world. Her father encouraged her to pursue her dreams while also giving honest feedback about her comedic talent, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and persistence. [05:15] Debra highlights how curiosity can bridge divides, citing a personal experience on a train in Italy that made her realize Americans often prioritize speaking over listening. She emphasizes that genuine curiosity can help people understand different perspectives and reduce conflict. [08:16] Debra developed a curiosity assessment tool after being asked if curiosity is innate or learned. Her research found that curiosity can be developed and directly correlates with leadership performance, employee engagement, and innovation. [11:22] She discusses how societal norms often suppress curiosity, but it can be reignited through self-awareness and practice, like asking questions and exploring new ideas. Debra shares a case study where a CEO’s low curiosity impacted the entire company's innovation efforts. She stresses the importance of psychological safety and open feedback to prevent leadership from stifling creativity. [22:23] She emphasizes the power of storytelling for leadership, noting that effective communication involves multiple touchpoints and a consistent message. [26:45] Debra performed a one-woman show, A Curious Woman, to share lessons from her corporate career with humor and storytelling, using vulnerability as a tool for connection and growth. [29:08] She pursued a doctorate while working full-time, driven by curiosity about leadership and organizational culture. She balanced her studies with her professional and personal responsibilities, demonstrating resilience and discipline. [37:06] Debra concludes by emphasizing that curiosity has the power to transform relationships, organizations, and even the world, urging listeners to embrace it as a tool for positive change. [37:53] Closing quote: Remember, “Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit” —  E.E. Cummings   Quotable Quotes "Curiosity has immense power to transform relationships, families, teams, organizations, and even our world." "If we could truly listen to others without judgment, we could break through conflicts and divisions." "Curiosity can be learned, and it directly impacts leadership performance and employee engagement." "Negativity can kill curiosity, but positivity and curiosity can both be contagious." "A leader's role is to influence and inspire action through effective communication." "The most important thing a leader can do is have a compelling message that drives change." "We become conditioned to be incurious through societal norms and professional specialization." "Self-awareness and psychological safety are essential for fostering curiosity in teams." "Curiosity, paired with discipline, can be the driving force behind personal and professional success." “Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity, wonder, spontaneous delight, or any experience that reveals the human spirit” —  E.E. Cummings   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Debra Clary’s LinkedIn | Debra Clary’s Website | Debra Clary’s Twitter |

Dr. Marie Helene Pelletier, a leadership psychologist and author of "The Resilience Plan," discusses the intricate link between mental health and leadership. She explains how resilience is essential for leaders to navigate challenges effectively. Practical strategies include creating personalized resilience plans and integrating stress management techniques tailored to individual needs. Dr. Pelletier emphasizes the value of proactive resilience and bouncing forward through adversity, ensuring leaders can thrive even under pressure while fostering team resilience.

Jim and Jan dive deep into the concept of “Glue Guys” (or “Glue Gals”)—the individuals who often go unrecognized but are crucial in holding teams and organizations together. They explore the traits, roles, and impact of these unsung heroes across various settings, from sports to corporate environments. Jim shares insights into how these individuals contribute behind the scenes, and expands on this idea, explaining that in sports, captains who are not necessarily stars often embody these roles. This segues into a broader discussion on how these traits appear in organizations, emphasizing that leaders should identify and reward such individuals. They also touch on how glue people are essential in sales roles. Jim explains that great salespeople not only connect with customers but also navigate internal systems, exemplifying the characteristics of glue people by fostering trust and collaboration. Jan and Jim outline steps to identify glue people, understand their unique contributions, and create environments where they can thrive. By aligning their efforts with organizational values and acknowledging their often immeasurable impact, leaders can build stronger, more cohesive teams.     Key Takeaways [01:34] Jim explains the term "Glue Guy" as someone who may not be the leader but is critical in keeping a team united. These individuals often work behind the scenes to ensure harmony and productivity. Despite their importance, they are frequently overlooked for promotions or recognition. [03:49] Jan reflects on the Kansas City Chiefs, pondering who their glue player might be. Jim expands on how glue people in organizations often act as mediators, ensuring smooth communication and conflict resolution across departments or teams. [08:22] Jim recounts the story of Billy Caldwell, a historical figure known as a “Great Negotiator.” His ability to bridge cultural divides and foster trust among conflicting groups exemplifies the role of a glue person. [16:39] Jim highlights how sales professionals embody the qualities of glue people. They connect parties with different objectives, fostering long-term relationships and mutual success. [20:01] Jan suggests leaders actively identify these individuals within their organizations and assess the unique contributions they bring. Recognizing and rewarding their efforts is essential for sustaining high-performing teams. [22:34] Jim and Jan encourage leaders to create environments that nurture and support glue people. By understanding their behaviors and aligning them with organizational values, leaders can foster engagement and loyalty. [25:20] And remember, “Trust is the glue of life. It's the most essential ingredient in effective communication. It's the foundational principle that holds all relationships.” - Stephen Cove Quotable Quotes "The glue guy or glue gal kind of keeps the team together." "Who are the people who are the glue guys within your organization? And are you doing enough to recognize them?" “The glue guys tend to be a little more mission focused first, the mission ahead of self, and self comes second but not completely selfless.” "Glue people tend to be able to speak everyone's language. They tend to have good empathy.” "Glue guys are like Rosetta Stones—they bridge gaps between groups, fostering understanding and trust." "The best salespeople are really glue guys." "The glue guy or glue gal kind of keeps the team together. And so it's not necessarily the de facto leader, doesn't even have to be the captain, but it's the kind of people that often go overlooked that kind of like keep the peace within a team, keep the peace within an organization, maybe kind of, you know, are doing a lot of work behind the scenes or like the duck's feet paddling below the surface of the water to make sure everything looks good, you know, on the surface."   This is the book mentioned in this episode Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC |