
Outliers with Daniel Scrivner: Explore the Greatest Innovators, Founders, and Investors
Learn from history's greatest innovators, founders, and investors with a mix of interviews and summaries of the best books, essays, and lectures. Each week, Daniel Scrivner decodes the ideas, strategies, and frameworks used by the best innovators, founders, and investors. Past guests include Scott Belsky (Adobe), Gokul Rajaram (DoorDash), Kevin Kelly (WIRED), Sir Ronald Cohen (IMPACT), Erling Kagge (Everest Explorer), along with the founders of Wealthfront, Public.com, Primal Kitchen, 1-800-GOT-JUNK, Levels, and Eight Sleep. Visit OutlierAcademy.com for episode notes, searchable transcripts, videos, and more.
Outliers with Daniel Scrivner is a mix of Founders Podcast, How I Built This, Business Breakdowns, Invest Like The Best, Founder's Field Guide, 20VC (20 Minute VC), The Knowledge Project, What It Takes, and The Tim Ferriss Show.
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Feb 3, 2024 • 39min
Book: "I, Steve: Steve Jobs in his Own Words" by George Beahm | Episode #172
Steve Jobs made an incredible impact on the world by creating two of today's most important companies in Apple and Pixar. Both companies created world-changing products while Steve Jobs was alive in the Macintosh, iPod, iPhone, and Oscar winning animated films such as Toy Story. More importantly, both companies developed the right team, vision, and culture to continue producing world-shaping products decades later — long after Steve's departure. As we learn in this book, Steve's values and ethos live on in both of these incredible companies.
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To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History
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Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
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Feb 3, 2024 • 3min
Trailer - Book: "I, Steve: Steve Jobs in his Own Words" by George Beahm | Episode #172
Steve Jobs made an incredible impact on the world by creating two of today's most important companies in Apple and Pixar. Both companies created world-changing products while Steve Jobs was alive in the Macintosh, iPod, iPhone, and Oscar winning animated films such as Toy Story. More importantly, both companies developed the right team, vision, and culture to continue producing world-shaping products decades later — long after Steve's departure. As we learn in this book, Steve's values and ethos live on in both of these incredible companies.
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To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History
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Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
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Feb 2, 2024 • 23min
Friday 5: 5 Lessons on Negotiating from Steve Jobs | Episode #183
My favorite lessons from "To Pixar and Beyond" by Lawrence Levy. Who joined Pixar in 1995, helped Steve Jobs take Pixar public, and built it into the $7.4 billion company Disney eventually acquired.
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Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Background
(03:10) Anatomy of a Deal and Poker Time
(05:04) #1 Don't Engage in Positional Bargaining
(06:53) #2 Understand the Difference Between Strategy and Tactics
(10:05) #3 Analyze Your Points of Leverage
(14:47) #4 Get Clear on What You Want and Why
(20:32) #5 Wait to Negotiate Until You Have Maximum Leverage
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Feb 2, 2024 • 3min
Trailer - Friday 5: 5 Lessons on Negotiating from Steve Jobs | Episode #184
My favorite lessons from "To Pixar and Beyond" by Lawrence Levy. Who joined Pixar in 1995, helped Steve Jobs take Pixar public, and built it into the $7.4 billion company Disney eventually acquired.
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Search and down a transcript and find links to related books, interviews, lectures, and more: outlieracademy.com/184.
Chapters
(00:00) Introduction and Background
(03:10) Anatomy of a Deal and Poker Time
(05:04) #1 Don't Engage in Positional Bargaining
(06:53) #2 Understand the Difference Between Strategy and Tactics
(10:05) #3 Analyze Your Points of Leverage
(14:47) #4 Get Clear on What You Want and Why
(20:32) #5 Wait to Negotiate Until You Have Maximum Leverage
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Explore my full summary for the book featured this week.
Insanely Simple: The Obsession That Drives Apple's Success
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Jan 31, 2024 • 59min
Book: "To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History" | Episode #182
After he was dismissed from Apple in the early 1990s, Steve Jobs turned his attention to a little-known graphics company he owned called Pixar. One day, out of the blue, Jobs called Lawrence Levy, a Harvard-trained lawyer and executive to whom he had never spoken before. He hoped to persuade Levy to help him pull Pixar back from the brink of failure. This is the extraordinary story of what happened next: how Jobs and Levy concocted and pulled off a highly improbable plan that transformed Pixar into the Hollywood powerhouse it is today.
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Search and down a transcript and find links to related books, interviews, lectures, and more: outlieracademy.com/182.
Chapters
(00:00) The Bleak State of Pixar's Business in 1994
(08:06) Steve Jobs' Investment in Pixar
(10:24) The Initial Contract with Disney
(26:27) The Four Pillar Business Strategy
(32:53) Renegotiating the Contract with Disney
(38:10) Don't Engage in Positional Bargaining
(40:36) Understand the Difference Between Strategy and Tactics
(43:11) Analyze Where You Stand in Relation to the Other Party
(45:40) Pixar's Negotiating Power
(48:05) Assessing Strength and Negotiating Terms
(49:27) Knowing What You Want
(51:20) Creative Control and Release Windows
(52:18) Profit Share and Revenue Calculation
(53:42) Building the Pixar Brand
(55:09) Waiting for Maximum Leverage
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Explore my full summary for the book featured this week.
To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History
For more, explore my full profile on Steve Jobs.
Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
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Jan 31, 2024 • 2min
Trailer - Book: "To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History" by Lawrence Levy | Episode #183
After he was dismissed from Apple in the early 1990s, Steve Jobs turned his attention to a little-known graphics company he owned called Pixar. One day, out of the blue, Jobs called Lawrence Levy, a Harvard-trained lawyer and executive to whom he had never spoken before. He hoped to persuade Levy to help him pull Pixar back from the brink of failure. This is the extraordinary story of what happened next: how Jobs and Levy concocted and pulled off a highly improbable plan that transformed Pixar into the Hollywood powerhouse it is today.
Explore the episode notes.
Search and down a transcript and find links to related books, interviews, lectures, and more: outlieracademy.com/183.
Chapters
(00:00) The Bleak State of Pixar's Business in 1994
(08:06) Steve Jobs' Investment in Pixar
(10:24) The Initial Contract with Disney
(26:27) The Four Pillar Business Strategy
(32:53) Renegotiating the Contract with Disney
(38:10) Don't Engage in Positional Bargaining
(40:36) Understand the Difference Between Strategy and Tactics
(43:11) Analyze Where You Stand in Relation to the Other Party
(45:40) Pixar's Negotiating Power
(48:05) Assessing Strength and Negotiating Terms
(49:27) Knowing What You Want
(51:20) Creative Control and Release Windows
(52:18) Profit Share and Revenue Calculation
(53:42) Building the Pixar Brand
(55:09) Waiting for Maximum Leverage
Watch and listen.
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Explore my full summary for the book featured this week.
To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History
For more, explore my full profile on Steve Jobs.
Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
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Jan 29, 2024 • 11min
Short Read: Jony Ive's Introduction in "Designed by Apple in California" | Episode #177
Jony Ive, Apple's chief design officer, discusses the release of 'Designed by Apple in California', their motivation to create products for humanity, collaboration in design, the strive for simplicity, and the dedication to Steve Jobs. The book features their design process and over 450 images of Apple's finished products.

Jan 29, 2024 • 2min
Trailer - Short Read: Jony Ive's Dedication in "Designed by Apple in California" | Episode #177
The podcast discusses the limited edition anthology 'Designed by Apple in California' and its dedication to Steve Jobs. It explores the objective representation of work, collaboration and design process, evolution of forms and materials, simplicity and communication. The host also gives a book overview and shares Johnny Ive's perspective.

Jan 27, 2024 • 1h 13min
Book: "The Laws of Creativity: How to Unlock Your Originality and Awaken Your Creative Genius" | Episode #142
“At this point in my career, I have art directed over 100 products from a rough idea into consumer’s hands. I’ve collaborated with incredible creators like James Clear and Roxane Gay. There came a point where it was very obvious how it all worked and fit together—because I was always interested not just in what I was doing but how I was doing it.” — Joey Cofone
Joey Cofone, Founder & CEO of the much loved “tools for thinkers” company Baronfig, joins me to breakdown his new book, The Laws of Creativity. We cover why creativity isn’t magic, how creators across history from Albert Einstein to Grace Hopper and Bruce Lee wielded creativity to reach incredible heights, practical ways to hone your creativity, a framework for generating ideas, Joey’s process for writing the book, and so much more.
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Search and down a transcript and find links to related books, interviews, lectures, and more: outlieracademy.com/142.
Chapters
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:49) Origin Story of The Laws of Creativity
(00:06:39) Distilling Down the Laws of Creativity
(00:08:17) What Creativity Is and Why It Isn’t Magic
(00:18:17) On Zeno’s Paradox and Choosing to Finish
(00:22:58) The Laws of Mindset, Action, and Greatness
(00:25:57) Joey’s Favorite Law: The Law of Competition
(00:29:55) The Law of Precision
(00:33:00) The Law of The Muse
(00:36:06) On Borrowing vs Stealing Ideas
(00:39:42) The Law of Simplicity
(00:42:56) The Law of Good Enough
(00:46:51) Joey’s Process for Writing the Book
(00:55:54) Knowing When the Book Was Done
(01:02:07) The Highs and Lows of Creating Baronfig
(01:04:54) Creativity vs Business
(01:08:21) Baronfig: The Idea Company
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Insanely Simple: The Obsession That Drives Apple's Success
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Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
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About the book.
In his book The Laws of Creativity, Joey debunks why creativity isn’t magic and shares what it is, how it works, and how you can harness it in your everyday life. Learn how to unlock your originality and awaken your creative genius with Joey Cofone—award-winning designer and Founder & CEO of the much loved “Tools for Thinkers'' brand Baronfig.
Each of the 39 Laws of Creativity are illustrated with inspiring, enlightening, and surprising stories of iconic creators across history—including Albert Einstein, Serena Williams, Martin Luther King Jr., Harry Houdini, Grace Hopper, Bruce Lee, and many more. Joey breaks down how these titans of history wielded creativity to reach incredible heights.
“Drawing on decades of experience, Joey Cofone has distilled the elements of creativity into an excellent, easy-to-use guide. The Laws of Creativity provides a roadmap for unleashing the creative force inside you.” — James Clear, Author of Atomic Habits
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Jan 27, 2024 • 6min
Trailer - Book: "The Laws of Creativity: How to Unlock Your Originality and Awaken Your Creative Genius" | Episode #142
“At this point in my career, I have art directed over 100 products from a rough idea into consumer’s hands. I’ve collaborated with incredible creators like James Clear and Roxane Gay. There came a point where it was very obvious how it all worked and fit together—because I was always interested not just in what I was doing but how I was doing it.” — Joey Cofone
Joey Cofone, Founder & CEO of the much loved “tools for thinkers” company Baronfig, joins me to breakdown his new book, The Laws of Creativity. We cover why creativity isn’t magic, how creators across history from Albert Einstein to Grace Hopper and Bruce Lee wielded creativity to reach incredible heights, practical ways to hone your creativity, a framework for generating ideas, Joey’s process for writing the book, and so much more.
Explore the episode notes.
Search and down a transcript and find links to related books, interviews, lectures, and more: outlieracademy.com/142.
Chapters
(00:00:00) Introduction
(00:01:49) Origin Story of The Laws of Creativity
(00:06:39) Distilling Down the Laws of Creativity
(00:08:17) What Creativity Is and Why It Isn’t Magic
(00:18:17) On Zeno’s Paradox and Choosing to Finish
(00:22:58) The Laws of Mindset, Action, and Greatness
(00:25:57) Joey’s Favorite Law: The Law of Competition
(00:29:55) The Law of Precision
(00:33:00) The Law of The Muse
(00:36:06) On Borrowing vs Stealing Ideas
(00:39:42) The Law of Simplicity
(00:42:56) The Law of Good Enough
(00:46:51) Joey’s Process for Writing the Book
(00:55:54) Knowing When the Book Was Done
(01:02:07) The Highs and Lows of Creating Baronfig
(01:04:54) Creativity vs Business
(01:08:21) Baronfig: The Idea Company
Watch and listen.
Watch this episode on YouTube
Find this episode in your favorite podcast app
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Explore my full summary for the book featured this week.
Insanely Simple: The Obsession That Drives Apple's Success
For more, explore my full profile on Steve Jobs.
Who is Steve Jobs? Wisdom From The Man Who Built Apple, NeXT, and Pixar
Brought to you by HVMN. With Ketone-IQ, fuel your best anytime with a boost of awesome-feeling energy and clarity. Unlock the power of nature's superfuel—no fasting or keto diet required.
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About the book.
In his book The Laws of Creativity, Joey debunks why creativity isn’t magic and shares what it is, how it works, and how you can harness it in your everyday life. Learn how to unlock your originality and awaken your creative genius with Joey Cofone—award-winning designer and Founder & CEO of the much loved “Tools for Thinkers'' brand Baronfig.
Each of the 39 Laws of Creativity are illustrated with inspiring, enlightening, and surprising stories of iconic creators across history—including Albert Einstein, Serena Williams, Martin Luther King Jr., Harry Houdini, Grace Hopper, Bruce Lee, and many more. Joey breaks down how these titans of history wielded creativity to reach incredible heights.
“Drawing on decades of experience, Joey Cofone has distilled the elements of creativity into an excellent, easy-to-use guide. The Laws of Creativity provides a roadmap for unleashing the creative force inside you.” — James Clear, Author of Atomic Habits
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