
Desperately Seeking Wisdom
This is a podcast where well-known people talk about what they’ve learned from life - particularly the tough times. Guests have come from the worlds of entertainment, politics, business and journalism, including: Richard Curtis, George Alagiah, Amber Rudd, the Rev. Richard Coles, Lyse Doucet and David Baddiel. It’s a chance to hear their wisdom - and to think about how it might apply to your life…After the Brexit vote, Craig Oliver's high-powered job and privileged position at the heart of the British government came to an abrupt end.In the aftermath of that bruising battle, he despaired at how divided society had become, but also came to realise something fundamental was missing from his own life. Outwardly he was still achieving; but he realised he'd never felt comfortable in his own skin.Life had always felt more of a grind than a gift – he'd always believed that if he only worked harder, he'd find fulfilment. Now he realised that wasn't the case. Like many others, he asked himself why he'd always had a constant feeling of unease and discontent?He wondered what wise people had to say about how we can live better. Craig decided to try a different path to the one he'd travelled before, reading and listening to many people. Some had little to offer, but he found many revelatory.Throughout this podcast series, Craig talks to some extraordinary people about the wisdom they've been able to take from the ups and downs of life - including traumas and triumphs - and finds out what they believe will help others gain peace of mind and heart.
Latest episodes

Mar 13, 2023 • 54min
Lyse Doucet
Lyse Doucet is one of the best and most recognised journalists in the world. Her story of how she came to report on some of the poorest and most war-torn parts of the world is remarkable – but what is truly impressive about her is the empathy she brings to everything she does.We discuss how she stays grounded, her choice not to have a family and how one simple teaching is the bedrock of her approach to her life.

Mar 6, 2023 • 47min
Anthony Scaramucci
Anthony Scaramucci achieved worldwide fame when he was fired as Donald Trump’s Director of Communications after just eleven days.When I first met him, I thought he would be just another loud-mouthed politico – but I discovered a man who had thought deeply about his life and the train-wreck of his career in politics. He couldn’t be further from his caricature and that’s why I wanted to talk to him on this podcast.

Feb 27, 2023 • 56min
Reverend Richard Coles
The Reverend Richard Coles has had the most extraordinary life, from being an unlikely pop-star at the forefront of the gay rights movement in the 1980s, to being a Church of England vicar and much-loved broadcaster and writer.He talks about the harsh realities of being gay in the Church – and grieving for David, the love of his life, who died after years of being a chronic alcoholic.

Feb 20, 2023 • 47min
John Simpson
John Simpson is a journalistic legend. At 78 he is still at the top of his game, reporting from the world’s hotspots, including the war in Ukraine.He talks openly about the seminal moment in his life when as a six-year-old boy he chose to live with his father over his mother. We also talk about why he keeps going and the impact of that on his sixteen-year-old son, Rafe.

Feb 13, 2023 • 56min
Tanya and Nadim Ednan-Laperouse
Tanya and Nadim Ednan-Laperouse faced one of the most horrifying experiences anyone could suffer – being unable to save their beloved daughter, Natasha, when she had a severe allergic reaction to a Pret-a-Manger sandwich that wasn’t properly labelled.It’s tough to hear what they went through – but they are utterly inspirational in revealing the hard-won wisdom they gained, and how they remain so close and supportive of each other.

Feb 6, 2023 • 50min
Amber Rudd
Amber Rudd and I got to know each other by experiencing the bubbling cauldron of UK politics at the same time.As we became firm friends, I realised one of her amazing qualities was the ability to stay calm in a crisis and to keep everything in perspective.We talk about what she learned from her father going blind; how she ended up being “Aristocracy Coordinator” on Four Weddings and a Funeral; being married to the brilliant but complex AA Gill; and her tumultuous experience at the very top of politics.

Mar 21, 2022 • 43min
Dr Sian Williams
As a reporter, producer and anchor of some of the most watched television news programmes, Dr Sian Williams has been an eyewitness to some horrific events. Like many of us, she often used to wonder how to deal with such trauma. But Sian took things one step further. She re-trained as a psychologist, so she could help people emerge from their worst moments to grow in wisdom and happiness.

Mar 14, 2022 • 41min
Lord Michael Hastings
When he was 16, Lord Michael Hastings decided he would dedicate his life to helping the poor. He went on to have a distinguished career in the public, corporate and non-profit sectors, as well as becoming an independent peer in the House of Lords. He believes that so many of our issues with life could be solved if we simply found ways to help others.

Mar 7, 2022 • 56min
Mo Gawdat
Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer for Google X and the author of the international bestselling book “Solve For Happy: Engineer Your Path to Joy.” For years, he studied happiness as if it was a mathematical problem to be solved, and believed he had cracked the secret of being content.But when his 21 year old son, Ali, died suddenly during a routine operation, nothing made sense anymore. How could he even be alive, let alone happy, in a world where such a terrible thing could happen?Mo speaks about how he made peace with his son’s death and made his life worth living again.

Feb 28, 2022 • 49min
Lucy Kellaway
In 2016, aged 57, Lucy Kellaway quit her prestigious, full-time job as a journalist at The Financial Times to become a trainee teacher.Around the same time, she also left her husband of 25 years, with whom she’d had four children, moved house and stopped dyeing her hair. Lucy wrote about her experiences in her book, “Re-educated: How I changed my job, my home, my husband and my hair,” and co-founded the charity Now Teach to encourage older professionals to step into the classroom and change their lives in the same way hers was transformed.