
Desperately Seeking Wisdom
This is a podcast where well-known people talk about what they’ve learned from life - particularly the tough times. Guests have come from the worlds of entertainment, politics, business and journalism, including: Richard Curtis, George Alagiah, Amber Rudd, the Rev. Richard Coles, Lyse Doucet and David Baddiel. It’s a chance to hear their wisdom - and to think about how it might apply to your life…After the Brexit vote, Craig Oliver's high-powered job and privileged position at the heart of the British government came to an abrupt end.In the aftermath of that bruising battle, he despaired at how divided society had become, but also came to realise something fundamental was missing from his own life. Outwardly he was still achieving; but he realised he'd never felt comfortable in his own skin.Life had always felt more of a grind than a gift – he'd always believed that if he only worked harder, he'd find fulfilment. Now he realised that wasn't the case. Like many others, he asked himself why he'd always had a constant feeling of unease and discontent?He wondered what wise people had to say about how we can live better. Craig decided to try a different path to the one he'd travelled before, reading and listening to many people. Some had little to offer, but he found many revelatory.Throughout this podcast series, Craig talks to some extraordinary people about the wisdom they've been able to take from the ups and downs of life - including traumas and triumphs - and finds out what they believe will help others gain peace of mind and heart.
Latest episodes

Feb 1, 2024 • 33min
Rory Stewart - Part 2
Rory Stewart, a politician, diplomat, professor, explorer, and successful podcaster, discusses his highs and lows, including contemplating suicide due to a major mistake. He shares his verdicts on multiple Prime Ministers and his disillusionment with modern politics. The podcast also explores the challenges politicians face in navigating scandals and emphasizes the importance of empathy and resilience in difficult times. Stewart reflects on the unrealistic expectations placed on political leaders and the complexities they face. Lastly, the hosts discuss wisdom, power, humility, and offer support for those in need.

Jan 29, 2024 • 30min
Rory Stewart - Part 1
Rory Stewart, politician and explorer, talks about his highs and lows, shame and mistakes, and the many Prime Ministers he's worked with. He discusses his disillusionment with modern politics and shares ideas for making it better.

Jan 22, 2024 • 30sec
Desperately Seeking Wisdom - Season Three Trailer
Thought-provoking guests Rory Stewart, Emily Maitlis, and James Graham share the wisdom they gained from the toughest times of their lives in this season three trailer of Desperately Seeking Wisdom podcast.

Apr 30, 2023 • 50min
Matt Forde
Matt Forde is one of our funniest comedians – carving out a niche for himself as a sharp satirist and brilliant mimic of the likes of Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer.What’s really interesting about him is the humanity he brings to his podcast, The Political Party, where he treats politicians as fully-rounded and complex individuals who deserve our understanding. He speaks brilliantly about how life in a broken family and on free school meals helped shape his approach to life.

Apr 23, 2023 • 47min
Michael Singer
Michael Singer has taught me so much. His New York Times bestselling books such as The Untethered Soul, are manuals on how to look at and experience life.He teaches how to radically shift our perspective on what it means to be alive – and how to accept both the past and the world we live in. There’s so much to learn from him...

Apr 16, 2023 • 47min
Jacqui Smith
Jacqui Smith scaled the heights of British politics when she became the first female Home Secretary.It all came crashing down during the expenses scandal, when – among other things – it emerged her husband had claimed for pornographic movies. She’s since rebuilt her life as a broadcaster and political commentator.Jacqui is fascinating, open and honest about the experience of feeling her whole world was crumbling around her and what it taught her.

Apr 9, 2023 • 51min
Professor Azza Karam
Professor Azza Karam is the Secretary General of Religions for Peace – a body set up to find a common purpose in the world’s great religions.She grew up in a loving, but restrictive Muslim family, where a strong mother thought she was helping her by limiting her achievements.I was fascinated by how she has come to terms with her past, her faith and her strong belief in our need for spiritual nourishment and expression.

Apr 2, 2023 • 53min
Sir Simon Baron-Cohen
Sir Simon Baron-Cohen is a leading clinical psychologist and expert in autism. He has written a number of popular science books exploring subjects ranging from empathy (and the lack of it) to understanding how the neurodivergent mind works. He believes terms like “good” and “evil” don’t help us see how and why people operate as they do - and it’s in this area where much of his wisdom is to be found.

Mar 26, 2023 • 49min
Jack Davenport
Jack Davenport is one of our best and most recognisable actors. His credits include: The Pirates of Caribbean, The Talented Mr Ripley, This Life and most recently, Ten Percent.He talks freely about staying centred while acting in a major production, what it was like growing up with film stars dropping in, and why he refuses to have anything to do with social media.

Mar 20, 2023 • 58min
David Baddiel
David Baddiel has been at the top of comedy for many years – often using stories about his complex family for his hilarious, but sometimes painful material. He’s also a celebrated writer, having a huge impact with his children’s books and the polemic, Jews Don’t Count. His most recent book, The God Desire (published on April 13th, 2023), explains why although he yearns for there to be a God, he can’t bring himself to believe in one. David has fascinating insights throughout our wide-ranging conversation.