

Interbeing
Hosted by Matt Hall and Naomi Ward. Produced by Emily Crosby and Kyra Kellawan.
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
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Apr 26, 2023 • 25min
Ep9: Midway Musings
The podcast episode explores the concept of belonging, the importance of knowing oneself, and the significance of balancing thinking, doing, and being for leaders. It discusses the impact of feeling seen and heard, the complexities of diversity and inclusion, and the failure of coaching to address systemic constraints. The hosts also introduce the concept of 'belongue' and their plans for 2023.

Apr 12, 2023 • 29min
Ep8 Julie Rees - Belonging in the Curriculum
Expert in curriculum and belonging, Julie Rees discusses creating a sense of belonging in the curriculum, welcoming and making students feel safe, importance of values, and collaborative curriculum development.

Mar 29, 2023 • 34min
Ep7 Michael Cahill - Managing Endings
Author Michael Cahill from Coaching Constellations discusses the importance of managing endings, fostering a sense of belonging, and including employees in decision-making processes during transitions. The podcast explores the significance of belonging in leadership and provides practical advice for addressing endings with kindness and recognition.

Mar 15, 2023 • 37min
Ep6: Doug Lemov (Teach Like a Champion) Creating Belonging in the Classroom
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Doug Lemov about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: how the rise of smartphones and social media has led to an increase in anxiety and depression - and why making schools a safe space can help massively; why clicking in a classroom can be a positive reinforcement tool; and why children often value being pushed to achieve things they never thought possible through the high expectations of a coach or teacher.--------------------------------------To get in touch with Doug, find him online here:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglemov/ Teach Like A Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/Buy Doug's book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doug-Lemov/e/B002ZC7PI6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1674035565&sr=1-1--------------------------------------To get in touch, please find us online here:Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=enTwitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=enAdditional links to follow:Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/

Mar 1, 2023 • 31min
Ep5: Zahara Chowdhury: How Schools Should Be
Zahara Chowdhury, Founder of the School Should Be community, discusses the importance of building trust & relationships in the classroom, the role of coaching in schools & leadership development, and the need for leaders to create a culture of belonging.

Feb 15, 2023 • 31min
Ep4: Peace Building in Schools with Roy Leighton
Guest Roy Leighton discusses the dangers of promoting belonging in schools and the importance of safe spaces for connectivity. Positive Peace Cambridge focuses on peace education research and collaboration with the University of Cambridge. The podcast explores intentionality and leadership for effective peace education, emphasizing the fusion of restorative justice and conflict styles.

Feb 2, 2023 • 26min
Ep3: What Can A Folk Festival Teach Us about Belonging?
Joe Heap, Festival Director of the Towersey Festival, discusses the power of community and tradition in fostering a sense of belonging at a folk festival. They explore the responsibility of leadership, the importance of community support, and the transformative role of festivals in building communities and creating shared experiences.

Jan 18, 2023 • 23min
Ep2: Leading Belonging in an International School
Mel Ellis, an expert in fostering a sense of belonging in international schools, discusses topics like the role of curriculum in identity formation, handling teacher transitions, the impact of agency and context in belonging, and fostering global understanding through curriculum.

Jan 18, 2023 • 9min
Ep1: Introduction to Principled
The hosts discuss the need for belonging in schools and its relevance in a polarized society. They explore the complexity of belonging and its connection to diversity and inclusion.