

Interbeing
Hosted by Matt Hall and Naomi Ward. Produced by Emily Crosby and Kyra Kellawan.
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
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Feb 15, 2023 • 31min
Ep4: Peace Building in Schools with Roy Leighton
Guest Roy Leighton discusses the dangers of promoting belonging in schools and the importance of safe spaces for connectivity. Positive Peace Cambridge focuses on peace education research and collaboration with the University of Cambridge. The podcast explores intentionality and leadership for effective peace education, emphasizing the fusion of restorative justice and conflict styles.

Feb 2, 2023 • 26min
Ep3: What Can A Folk Festival Teach Us about Belonging?
Joe Heap, Festival Director of the Towersey Festival, discusses the power of community and tradition in fostering a sense of belonging at a folk festival. They explore the responsibility of leadership, the importance of community support, and the transformative role of festivals in building communities and creating shared experiences.

Jan 18, 2023 • 23min
Ep2: Leading Belonging in an International School
Mel Ellis, an expert in fostering a sense of belonging in international schools, discusses topics like the role of curriculum in identity formation, handling teacher transitions, the impact of agency and context in belonging, and fostering global understanding through curriculum.

Jan 18, 2023 • 9min
Ep1: Introduction to Principled
The hosts discuss the need for belonging in schools and its relevance in a polarized society. They explore the complexity of belonging and its connection to diversity and inclusion.


