

Just Fly Performance Podcast
Joel Smith, Just-Fly-Sports.com
The Just Fly Performance Podcast is dedicated to all aspects of athletic performance training, with an emphasis on speed and power development. Featured on the show are coaches and experts in the spectrum of sport performance, ranging from strength and conditioning, to track and field, to sport psychology. Hosted by Joel Smith, the Just Fly Performance Podcast brings you some of the best information on modern athletic performance available.
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Jun 15, 2023 • 1h 12min
363: Chris Korfist on Advancing Training Models in Sprint Performance
Today’s podcast features track and speed coach, Chris Korfist. Chris has been a high school coach in track and football for 3 decades with close to 100 All-State athletes. He is currently the sprints coach at Homewood Flossmoor high school in Chicago, owns the "Slow Guy Speed School”, and has consulted with professional sports teams all over the world, including the NFL, MLB, NBA, and Rugby League. Chris has been a favorite podcast guest on this show and is constantly evolving and innovating his methods.
Sprinting is a simple, yet complex topic, and one that requires a continual analysis of mechanics, exercises and training models. There are many ways to train athletes, and with this in mind, it’s important to understand the “first principles” of any training system. With many first principles taken from the brilliance of the “DB Hammer” training ideals, Chris has steadily evolved his training system, year over year, to the place where it is today.
This past season, Homewood Flossmoor won the Illinois state track championship, and won the 4x100m and 4x200m dashes on their way to the title. Chris’s adjustments to his speed training models worked well, with some athletes chopping off a second or more off of their 200m times from the previous year.
On the podcast today, Chris starts by talking about his mental training approach, and some unique mental training elements of this past year’s team. He then gets into the main changes he utilized this past training year, including reducing the speed endurance component of the work, and replacing it with some potent “AN2” bracket (30-40 second) specialized training for the sprints. Chris also goes into how he would specialize the exercises for sprinters of different archetypes (stompers vs. slicers) and much more.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
2:40 – How the state track meet went for Chris’s team this year, including a 41.03s 4x100m time and a state championship
7:08 – Updates on mental strategies for racing, and building mental highlight tapes for athletes prior to meets
20:49 – Some main changes that Chris made this year in his programming that proved successful in the team’s state championship performance
30:12 – Using the 1080 sprint for slow-speed iso-kinetic hamstring work to improve the injury resilience factor of the muscle group
33:53 – The specificity of the “AN2” (30-40 second) bracket of work for the special exercises that Chris’s athletes were performing
41:15 – “Stompers” vs. “Slicers” and how to train the weakness of each athlete
47:10 – Water bag training and the role of the trunk/core and arms in sprinting
49:33 – Hip flexor training and strength in speed development, and usage of the hip swing exercise
54:19 – How to use primetimes and flexed leg bounds in speed development
1:01:04 – Training frequency throughout the year, and how this was a lower frequency year for Chris’s athletes
1:06:49 – Final thoughts on working strengths vs. weaknesses, and when to stop trying to bring up weaknesses in a training year
Chris Korfist Quotes
“(The highlight/motivational videos for the kids) It’s just this constant feedback that you are all of that”
“This year, instead of goals, I had them focus on telling their story”
“Our self-talk this year became a story: This is where I came from, this is what I did, this is where I’m going; Tying in history and tying in stories to your self talk is really powerful, because as humans we all want a story”
“You figure out what motivates that kid, and then you push that button when you need to”
“I knew if we showed up to practice and did the exact s...

Jun 8, 2023 • 60min
362: Kevin Hollabaugh on Assessing and Developing Rotational Power and Sprint Performance
Today’s podcast features strength coach Kevin Hollabaugh. Kevin is a strength coach working at the New York Yankees Player Development Program, and is also the owner of Pro Force Sports Performance in Cincinnati, Ohio. He has been working in strength and conditioning since 2009. He previously served as the director of baseball player development, and also currently an adjunct professor at the University of Cincinnati.
Pro Force SP happens to be only a few miles from my home in Cincinnati, and I’ve enjoyed spending time there to play ultimate frisbee games with pro baseball players, as well as observing the data-points and training process on the 1080 Sprint with Kevin and his staff.
It's important to check your training process with some level of numbers and quantitative feedback to go with the qualitative process of coaching. Amongst other training tools, Kevin has two unique machines that allow him to pin data to athletic movements, on the level of the Proteus motion and 1080 Sprint. This show isn’t so much about those technologies and data points specifically as it is how Kevin has used the data to refine his speed and rotational training methods over time, how he now looks at training given those data-sets, and how it has evolved his programming.
In this episode, we’ll also talk about the Ultimate frisbee game variation that ProForce athletes love so much (as well as myself), balancing force vs. elasticity in swinging/throwing and sprinting, training weaknesses vs. strengths, and more.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
3:12 – The makings of the “Ultimate Frisbee Soccer” game that the ProForce baseball athletes (as well as myself) enjoyed playing immensely
15:26 – How Kevin started ProForce and his background as a coach
19:41 – The data-based backing of Kevin’s training and exercise selection process
27:09 – How the Proteus rotational training machine is helping Kevin to refine his core training programming
33:19 – The balance of training an athlete based on their strengths and weak-points, as per rotational power and linear speed in particular
41:14 – How to apply medicine ball training and rotational power to an athlete who relies heavily on the stretch shortening cycle, versus “concentric” muscular contribution
46:09 – How Kevin’s approach to speed training has been impacted by working with the 1080 Sprint machine and the associated data
56:53 – Kevin’s next steps in his coaching future
Kevin Hollabaugh Quotes
“It’s funny the evolution a simple game has taken, and how it can define the training in an off-season, but that’s kind of what it’s morphed into”
“(In frisbee) you get those (high pressure) opportunities that you don’t necessarily get in sport that are more low key”
“We’re all taught, here’s the way to teach speed, here’s the way to train core, and then you get on these pieces of technology (and data-based feedback) and you realize, “that didn’t translate””
“If you are struggling with the concentric strength and are good at strength shortening, we are using a heavier load (with medicine balls), with the proteus we are using a heavier load”
“One way (to build concentric-start rotational power when you are mostly elastic) would be starting with static starts on heavier loads (with medicine balls, etc.)… by keeping it at a light weight you are just going to be able to whip it which you are naturally good at”
“When there are increases in their hitting load, their pitching load, we back off on the medicine ball rotations and do more work on their non-dominant side”
“I didn’t need to do 7 drills in a speed session (being able to ...

Jun 1, 2023 • 1h 47min
361: David Weck and Chris Chamberlin on Rotation, Side-Bending and Tensional Balance in a High-Performance Training Program
Today’s podcast features David Weck and Chris Chamberlin of WeckMethod.
David Weck is biomechanist, and the creator of a number of inventions that work key characteristics of human locomotion and movement, including the BOSU Balance Trainer. David started the WeckMethod as a project to inspire and educate individuals on the importance of optimizing's human balance through locomotion as he works to make “Every Step Stronger” for everyone.
Chris Chamberlin is the Head Coach and Director of Education for the WeckMethod. Chris has over 15 years of coaching experience and a lifetime of personal practice in movement efficiency that has earned him recognition as a leader in innovative thought in the fitness industry. Chris has both a creative approach to multi-planar training, as well as impressive “raw” strength levels in the traditional lifts.
If you browse the internet, you will easily see a lot of “functional” training exercises, designed to catch eyeballs, that build neither strength, nor functional ability. The key in the effectiveness of any movement beyond a basic strength exercise is in its patterning, and closeness to the key characteristics of human locomotion, swinging and throwing. When you find movements that allow your body to truly feel more of what it uses in these core human patterns, you can then “port” that movement into the scope of your core strength and speed training.
At the end of the day, whether you like the BOSU Ball or not, David’s keen observations of the core components of human movement have played a substantial role for me in how I observe the twisting, side bending and general locomotive mechanisms of the human being. Chris Chamberlin has taken David’s observation and creativity, and put his lens of practicality onto the total process.
On the show today, David and Chris talk about how the WeckMethod helped Chris’s big-lifts to get even better, tool usage as an essential aspect of human movement, primal movement patterning in respect to training volume, bending and twisting integration into more traditional strength methods, concepts on the foot, and much more.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:40 – The origin story of David and Chris connecting and training, and how David’s methods impacted Chris’s movement and strength
6:18 – The uniquely human element of using tools, from a training perspective
18:22 – How Chris’s background as a carpenter (as well as his family background) has impacted the say he sees human movement in light of physical work tasks
27:43 – The role of using variability in training to achieve a greater impact to the movement tissues of the body
34:41 – How the Weck Method tools and ideas can build into, not only one’s rotational movement flow and ability, but also one’s physical strength
54:22 – Thoughts on the inside edge of the foot and the outside of the foot as it pertains to athletic performance
1:21:33 – Digging into the idea of “every step as a rep” regarding the body in balance
1:36:58 – How to integrate coiling work, into linear work, through the scope of a session, and Chris’s “4:1” ratio
David Weck and Chris Chamberlin Quotes
“I had instantly set a 40-45lb PR in my overhead bent press, just from learning a drill from (David) in a meeting that was meant for running faster”
“To the extent possible, we want the tool to be the teacher, we want to do less with words, and what we want to do is get someone to feel it so they understand it implicitly, rather than us trying to explain something, taking a lot of time”
“We distilled (our method) down to sticks, stones and ropes”

May 25, 2023 • 1h 8min
360: Ethan Reeve on Physical Education, Dynamic Athleticism and the Movement Learning Process
Today’s podcast features strength and performance coach, Ethan Reeve. Ethan is the director of strength and performance for MondoSport USA. He is the former president of the CSCCa, and has 44 years of experience coaching in college and high school ranks. In addition to decades in NCAA athletic performance, Reeve was a SEC champion wrestler, and was the head coach of the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga wrestling program from 1985 to 1990, achieving 5 Southern Conference titles in 6 years.
In the process of strength and conditioning/physical preparation; we can never get too far from the process of physical education and routinely observing the core qualities of athleticism
An interesting element in sport performance, and sport coaching in the past decades is that, compared to the pre-2000’s era, there are less coaches now who have physical education backgrounds. Perhaps, this is because, as the industry moves forward, physical preparation/athletic performance has swung more towards the quantitative aspects, than the “art” form of the process. Maybe it’s that most strength and conditioning jobs are working with high school or college athletes who are “further” along in their athletic development. Maybe it’s how the role and funding for physical education has been devalued over time. Despite all of this, as I get older, the more and more I realize just how much physical education has to offer, not only young athletes, but also the thought process in working with more established ones, and I believe physical education, and multi-sport coaching principles (such as wrestling in the scope of today’s show) should be far more common-place in athletic development conversations.
On today’s podcast, Ethan talks about his blend of the principles found in physical education and wrestling, and how these funnel into a sports performance training session. He speaks on how he views physical training through the eyes of a wrestling coach (of which he was a very successful one) and the learning environment he looks to set up in his training sessions. We discuss “belly up” speed training, key ground-based training movements, and other important principles of building a total athletic development program.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:57 – Ethan’s journey physical education and wrestling training, and how that blended into his strength and conditioning practices
6:10 – The importance and correlation of integrating basic physical education movements, into sport performance training
12:41 – “Belly Up” movements transitioned into sprinting, for athletic development
19:31 – Examples of blending physical education principles into track and field and sport performance training settings
23:16 – Ethan’s take on how to be a better student of learning and teaching in one’s sport coaching process
35:10 – The importance of the total environment in the learning process for athletes
41:00 – How to use the 80/20 or 90/10 principle to help determine one’s core principles and focus in practice
46:19 – The intersection of what wrestling and track and field has to offer in terms of general physical preparation
54:42 – How Ethan views the role of the weight room from middle school, up until college in training
59:12 – Calisthenic, gymnastics, and rolls that Ethan feels great athletes can do well in the movement section of training
1:03:13 – Gymnastic, tumbling type work, and its impact on athlete mobility
Ethan Reeve Quotes
“(In physical education) We were taught dance, and rhythm, as well as lifetime sports”
“We had ropes we climbed, we had pegboards, we had tumbling mats,

May 18, 2023 • 1h 7min
359: Dan John on “Snapacity” and the 3P’s of Muscle-Action in Explosive Athletic Movement
Today’s podcast features coach, writer and educator, Dan John. Dan is a best-selling author in the field of strength training and fitness, with his most recent work being the “Easy Strength Omni-Book”. He is known for his ability to transfer complex material into actionable wisdom, has been a many-time guest on the show, and is one of my single greatest influences in the way that I see the process of coaching and training. As I grow older, coach more populations, and see the field evolve, I view and value Dan’s process and wisdom in new and even more meaningful ways.
One of those tenants of Dan that means more in each coming year is that, at its core, our training and movements are simple… it’s just the years and years of consistent, dedicated immersion in training to fully bring out that simplicity, that “trip up” many people. So often, we get caught up in the hacks, the shortcuts, and the “3 tips for X” within the social-media fist-fight for eyeballs.
On today’s episode, Dan talks about a few important concepts that any coach or athlete needs to come back to over and over again in their process, including the power of “compression”, the power of less, and the power of withholding. Dan speaks on this as it relates to cold track seasons (right before the 80 degree conference meet), and how it relates to the spark of coaching intuition that can happen in an environment deprived from one’s typical tools, and even how it can apply to our movement biomechanics.
Dan also gets into the nuts and bolts of “snapacity” (snap + capacity) that defines the core of athletic movement (elasticity and the work capacity to sustain it), and the related key muscle actions he calls “The 3 P’s”. Throughout the talk, Dan highlights the simple and core principles that drive training progress over time, as well tying in concepts on philosophy and personal growth that transcend training itself.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
2:01 – An update on how Dan’s track season has been, speaking on the upsides of the “compressed” format of his season based on weather
7:25 – Why “compressing and expanding” is such a critical element of one’s athletic performance, as well as life itself
12:13 – The importance of effort-level in human movement, and not “over-striking” a hammer against a nail
18:11 – The “3P’s” of muscle action; on the level of “Point, Poke, and Snap” as applied to explosive sport movement
29:41 – The importance of myth, story and tragedy in sport, life, and re-inventing ourselves”
35:01 – How sport movement, such as the discus or hammer, is like a symphony in nature, and how “over-trying” and imbalance of fluid effort reduces ones results
46:38 – The application and training of the critical athletic trait Dan calls “Snapacity”
1:00:09 – The simplicity, yet patience that the sport of track and field requires in athlete development
Dan John Quotes
“We often say, “what you compress, expands”; that is probably one of the greatest truisms of my coaching career. If I go into your gym and eliminate 9/10 of the equipment, then I find out how good of a strength coach you are”
“Sometimes taking things away is what makes you great”
“If you hit (the hammer too hard into the nail), it’s going to be worse….you’ve explained track and field, football, and every sport I’ve ever done in my life”
“The 3 P’s (of muscle action), point, poke, and snap”
“I teach discus throwing, javelin throwing that “you are a bag of rubber bands” and what we want to do for elite performance is get you to a place where we stretch those rubber bands, and then the important thing is,

May 11, 2023 • 1h 20min
358: Mark McLaughlin on Play-Based Warmups, Athletic Mastery and Aerobic Capacity Building
Today’s podcast features Mark McLaughlin. Mark is the founder of Performance Training Center, and currently works as a physical preparation/strength coach in the Lake Oswego school district. Mark has had a diverse sporting history as a youth, and has been active in the field of physical preparation since 1997. Mark has trained over 700 athletes at all competitive levels, from Olympic to grade school athletes, and has worked with organizations such as the NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAA universities, high schools, and youth sports.
The field of sports performance makes a lot of pendulum swings. We go from over-conditioning athletes to denouncing conditioning. From static stretching, to not stretching, to reconsidering stretching, to name a few. In the process of the swings, we do trend upwards (such as saving athletes from over-conditioning based practices with poor motor learning tactics). At the same time, I don’t believe we ask ourselves often enough if we are letting the pendulum swing too far.
What I’ve found is that for every rule that seems to be created, there are instantly going to be athletes, or entire training groups that break that rule. The only way to understand it all, is to constantly be expanding your viewpoints. We need to look at the broader mechanisms of biology, psychology, motor learning, and the long-term developmental principles of athletes to really gain wisdom in our guidance of athletes and individuals to their highest potential.
On today’s podcast, Mark talks about the polarity of his physical preparation process, on one end, giving the kids a dynamic pedagogical, free play-oriented training experience, and on the other, using technology to assess biological readiness markers and preparation levels for their sport. Mark finishes the show speaking on aerobic readiness as a recovery marker for explosive sport training. No matter where you are on the sport training spectrum, be it sport coaching, motor learning or purely physical development, there is a lot to be learned from Mark’s broad spectrum of knowledge in this episode. This show connects physical preparation with a depth of true sports development
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:57 – The diversity of groups that Mark works with, from football, to alpine skiing, to dance and many places in between
10:38 – Thoughts on fluidity and rhythm in the development of athleticism and even within injury prevention
17:16 – The use of gymnastics in athlete robustness and development
22:25 – Mark’s thoughts on helping to train kids in light of motor learning and a regular lack of general physical preparation
28:03 – The role of “economic constraints” in creativity and sport development
40:05 – The benefits of multi-age/multi-grade education, as well as athletic development and play possibilities, as well as a discussion of the Norwegian sport model and the success of Erling Haaland
49:16 – Mark’s system in terms of delaying intensive training stimuli in an athlete’s long term development
55:16 – The role of aerobic training in Mark’s system for team sport athletes, in capacity building and recovery
1:01:27 – “Zone 0” training in Mark’s system, inspired by the work of Landon Evans
1:05:37 – How to determine if athletes are in a resting sympathetic, or parasympathetic state for their training and workouts
Mark McLaughlin Quotes
“In dance, their events last two minutes, but their heart rates hit 200… there is a psychological driver of heart rates”
“I actually use our dance team to teach our football players how to dance; sport and movement is rhythm”
“Training with music is a big thing, gymnastics is a big thing,

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May 3, 2023 • 1h 22min
357: Angus Bradley on “Knees Behind Toes” Training and the Gait Cycle in Physical Preparation
Angus Bradley, a Sydney-based physical preparation coach and co-host of the Hyperformance podcast, dives into innovative training techniques. He emphasizes the importance of learning from outside the fitness world, linking artistic expression to scientific training principles. Angus discusses the critical 'knees behind toes' strategy and explores the biomechanical parallels between Olympic lifting and sprinting. He challenges conventional strength training norms, promoting a creative balance between structure and play in athlete development.

Apr 27, 2023 • 1h 14min
356: Dr. John Cronin and Joseph Dolcetti on “Beyond Barbells”: Wearable Resistance and Rotational Momentum in Sport Speed Development
Today’s podcast features Dr. John Cronin and Joe Dolcetti. John Cronin is a sport scientist with a physical education and coaching background, who after getting his Ph.D, has spent most of the last 20 plus years at Auckland University of Technology. He has published over 400 peer-reviewed papers on speed, power and strength, along with having the opportunity to train a variety of athletes and teams, ranging from youth development to world champion level. Joe Dolcetti has had a 35-year career in high performance sport coaching, science, and conditioning training across the globe. As an inventor, he has developed, and launched Exogen®, the world’s most advanced wearable resistance. All in all, Joe has worked with many of the world’s top sporting programs including the NBA, NFL, NHL, Major League Baseball, the English Premier League, UFC and many others.
Sports performance training is making the shift from the classical “1RM” powerlifting mindset, into athletic speed development. This is great, but there are still many holes to fill in the athletic equation. We may obsess over bar velocities in the gym, but the gym is dominated by many force-oriented levers while sport is uses many speed-oriented levers (third class), such as limbs swinging in space. At some point we must expand our training awareness beyond the what (basic force) into the where (placement), and in the process deepen our understanding on how the body produces high speed sport movement.
On the show today, John and Joe get into their journey of high velocity resistance training for athletes (such as wearables including vests and ankle weights, and then sprint sleds). We’ll talk about the differences between training “stance” phase of movement, and aerial elements, and how the latter is a missing piece of training the force-velocity curve. Finally, we get into the development of the Exogen system of wearable resistance, and how it encapsulates principles of high speed and specific training adaptation.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
3:25 – John and Joe’s journey in exploring various wearable and external resistance training methods and how it led them to where they are now in their view of wearable resistance
16:00 – John Cronin’s early research and findings using weighted vests in pursuit of improved athletic performance
20:00 – Effects of sprint sled training versus weighted vest training
23:52 – Philosophy of training “stance” versus training what is happening in the air in athletic movement, and the implications of stance-based vertical force not being the holy grail of sprinting and athletic movement
35:35 – Lever systems, angular velocity, and ankle weights
42:18 – The principles behind the Exogen wearable resistance gear, and how it trains the angular momentum aspect of loading to improve athleticism
1:04:33 – Final thoughts on training sport speed through a focus on wearable resistance and angular velocity training
Dr. John Cronin and Joseph Dolcetti Quotes
“That’s where we’ve gone the last 6-8 years, unpacking that limb loading”
“Where you put load, in many ways, is more important than how much load you are putting”
“The one thing I’m confused with is the parachute, I tried them and just thought these are better for jumping out of an airplane”
“(Training with a weighted vest) the vertical ground reaction forces will stay pretty much the same) when you put that mass on, you don’t jump as high, the center of mass displacement is compromised, and the (vertical) effect stays pretty much the same”
“The weighted vest gives absolutely nothing in terms of horizontal ...

Apr 20, 2023 • 1h 17min
355: Daniel Back and Tim Riley on Key Developmental Concepts of Explosive Jumping and Athleticism
Today’s podcast features coaches Dan Back and Tim Riley. Dan Back is the founder of Jump Science and is a coach at Xceleration sports performance in Austin, Texas where he trains both track and team sport athletes. Dan has been a guest on episodes 263 and 337 of the podcast, speaking on sprint and jump topics. Tim Riley is the Director of Sports Performance at Kollective in Austin, TX where he supervises all pro, collegiate, and youth athletic development. Tim currently oversees and conducts strength and conditioning sessions for NFL, PLL & AVP athletes.
In the quest for improved athletic qualities, we often look at things in isolation. We look at the most powerful training means, right now, to help us to achieve better performance. For the best results, however, we need to broaden our view of training, and understand the qualities at the bottom (early athletic development) and the top (maximal strength and force training) to maximize potential. We need to understand all of the iterations of skill and strength that come before the sprint, jump, throw, agile moves, etc. you see on the field, and how everything works together in the grand scheme of training.
On today’s podcast, Dan and Tim speak on their own early athletic experiences, the critical “base level” abilities explosive athletes need for a better vertical jump (as well as general explosive movement), where and how maximal strength work fits into the long-term development equation, warmup and game-based concepts, assessments, and more.
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Timestamps and Main Points
3:30 – Dan and Tim’s early sport and training experiences
12:30 – Dan’s take on track and field speed and abilities within the scope of team sport performance and two leg jumping
18:00 – The potential of mass-amounts of calf raises to have a negative impact on speed later in life
23:30 – Core general physical preparation methods in athletic performance, such as grappling, hurdling, racing, tag, etc.
27:30 – Discussion as per the pyramid of jumping and jump preparation
37:00 – How Tim and Dan view the warmup process, considering more of a traditional warmup versus more of a game-oriented warmup
51:30 – Dan and Tim’s assessment process for athletes, and looking at macro-type assessments (performance driven) vs. more micro-level assessments (joint based or more discrete movements)
1:04:15 – Thoughts on how strength training can transfer more easily, given an appropriate base of explosive movement training and skill
Daniel Back and Tim Riley Quotes
“I can see (the martial arts drills) in my daughter’s ability to fall and get back up (in other sports)” TR
“When I first started getting obsessed with jumping, my standard workout was 2 sets of 100 calf raises 5 days per week, and looking at myself in my 20’s I was a great jumper, but I wondered why my maximal velocity was so bad, and I really wondered about some of the negative influence of all those calf raises as a teenager, vs. what if those are all sprinting contacts instead?” DB
“I saw these kids at 4 and 5 years old, 6 and 7, and the bulk of their training is broad jumps for distance, bounding for distance, jumping from one mark, and landing on one foot, climbing up wall” TR
“Jump in a way that’s fun and do it consistently for years… and that should come on top of a base of more variety; and that’s where running, agility, interacting with other people and the ground that should be in the movement variety skill” DB
“The best athletes were already really explosive, fast, powerful, good movers before they touched a weight… or took weight training seriously” TR

Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 3min
354: Adarian Barr and Jenn Pilotti on Foot Training, Pressure, and Collision Management in Athletic Movement
Today’s podcast features Adarian Barr and Jenn Pilotti. Adarian is a former college track coach, a multi-national movement consultant and educator. Adarian has been a huge mentor to me when it comes to the integrated workings of the body in a variety of sport and movement skills and has had many appearances on this show. Jenn Pilotti is a movement coach, author and educator who has been studying the principles of movement for over 2 decades. Jenn’s movement disciplines include running, dance, soft acrobatics, and aerial arts. Jenn regularly lectures and teaches workshops for movement educators and curious movers. She co-authored "Let Me Introduce You”, along with Adarian Barr.
Training the feet is a lot more than going barefoot a little more often. In sport movement, and locomotion, we have collisions of the feet into the ground that need to be managed skillfully. There is nuance to the “force production” into the ground. Great athletes can manage collisions extremely well, in regards to the specific sport skills they are being called on. They also have the tissue adaptation that matches the pressure they need to output within movement.
In today’s podcast, Adarian and Jenn discuss their process when it comes to the operation of the feet in locomotion, and important distinctions that need to be made on account of points of pressure within the foot. They chat on the differences between sprinting on account of collision management, as well as vibration, talk about the balance of sensory work and outputs in movement, and much more.
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Timestamps and Main Points
4:38 – How Jenn and Adarian got connected and Jenn’s early learnings from Adarian
8:05 – How Adarian’s process on the foot impacted Jenn, and how she integrated it into her running
14:04 – Looking at learning from the “hard” and “soft” side of movement, and how sensing the body fits in
17:26 – The origins of where Adarian started with his sensory approach to movement
27:46 – Principles of inputs and outputs as they relate to athletic movement
34:25 – Usage of the lateral aspect of the arch of the foot
38:19 – Pressure management and barefoot sprinting on a track
43:19 – How athletes manage shorter or longer collisions in their sport movement
50:30 – How to explore pressure as it relates to movement
58:01 – How to optimize and integrate foot pressure in the gym
Quotes from Adarian Barr and Jenn Pilotti
“I focused on keeping the pinkie toe long, and reaching it a little away from the foot; and it created a very different impact away from the ground… and I had like a 3 mile chunk where my mile splits were within 8 seconds of each other; and I’m not working any harder”
“A lot of people just do and they don’t sense, or they just sense and they don’t do… we need both”
“The body awareness you gain from the softer side just makes doing so much better”
“Whenever I was drinking out of a glass (instead of a plastic cup) my hand doesn’t get tired; that started taking me down this whole feeling, sensing, imagining road”
“In early track, I didn’t feel it. I might jump well, but I didn’t know why I jumped well. When I left Colorado I was struggling, because I was only jumping 51 feet, I left Colorado I spent a year training myself.. the first track meet I went to, boom 53 feet. What happened? Now, I can feel this.
“You want to feel the impact as you run, take time to feel the impact so you can learn what to do with it. If you never learn to feel it, how can you even think about doing something with it”