
Just Fly Performance Podcast
The Just Fly Performance Podcast is dedicated to all aspects of athletic performance training, with an emphasis on speed and power development. Featured on the show are coaches and experts in the spectrum of sport performance, ranging from strength and conditioning, to track and field, to sport psychology. Hosted by Joel Smith, the Just Fly Performance Podcast brings you some of the best information on modern athletic performance available.
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Jul 6, 2023 • 1h 5min
366: Andy Ryland on Intuitive Development of Skill and Athleticism in Sport
Today’s podcast features USA Football senior manager of education and training, Andy Ryland. Andy has been with USA Football since 2010, has consulted with programs at every level of competition, and is widely recognized as a foremost expert on developing the fundamentals necessary for a successful shoulder tackle, as well as the developmental, and skill building process for athletes. He previously appeared on episode 170 speaking on a “humans first”, “athletes second”, “specialists third” approach to athlete development.
In the process of developing athletes, it is easy to compartmentalize training components, ultimately to a fault in the overall process. If we are working in a sport or skill building capacity with athletes, we should have a basic understanding of their physical capacities and capabilities, as well as how training adaptation and specificity work. If we are working on strength and more base level movement components with athletes, we should have a handle on their needed skills and tactics on the field. Ultimately, the more situations we can coach in, the more ages, and sports we work with, the better our overall intuition gets on the process of teaching skills, and guiding athletes to their highest potential.
Andy Ryland has a deep understanding the developmental process that players need to succeed in their sport. On today’s episode, Andy digs into key points on the art of athletic skill building. A primary part of this is how he runs the “whole-part-whole” system, which can be adapted to more global, or strength based skills. Andy discussing how to integrate “prescriptive extra’s”, or “work-on’s”, as well as micro skill development in sport and S&C. He also covers key aspects of improving agility, teaching concepts in athletics, creativity in coaching,
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Timestamps and Main Points
3:54 – The original “failed” games in American Gladiators, and the evolution of “powerball” into what it eventually became
8:57 – Andy’s take on practice plans, creativity, intuition and thoughts on changing the practice plan
17:53 – Thoughts on mixing in various micro-doses of skill and movement into gym-based training
28:06 – Alternating between working the “outer game” of more external strategizing, or outputs, and the “inner game” of the subtle nuance of skill performance, in training
34:53 – The integration of roughhousing into youth football
43:29 – How to use a game-based iterations of a drill, to better prepare for the actual skill execution
48:09 – The need for constant 1 on 1s, tracking and evasion-based work in sport, and how it’s not typically trained enough in sport
52:58 – The role of the “instant activity”, or “welcome game” in a sport practice or training situation
58:10 – The maximal “line length” Andy sees being viable in sport/skill practice
Andy Ryland Quotes
“I’m a huge whole-part-whole guy. I’ll be the first to tell you, the part aspect is never scripted”
“If our arms are terrible, if our legs are terrible, if our strike accuracy is terrible, that’s going to be our “part” (in whole-part-whole)”
“If I’m doing a good job, my coaching intervention “part” aspect is not going to be some super stereotyped, copy and paste drill that’s been done since the dawn of time. It’s who are my athletes, what are they struggling, what is the situation where they struggle, and how can I replicate that before going back into the whole thing”
“My mentor Richie Grays, worked in professional international rugby for ages, they had prescriptive extras, every athlete had “work on’s” that fit their game. They had a set of bags that was at the entran...

Jun 29, 2023 • 1h 4min
365: Matt McInnes-Watson on Dynamic Plyometric Combinations and Patterning
Today’s podcast features track and S&C coach, Matt McInnes-Watson. Matt is the owner of Plus Plyos, an online coaching platform that provides plyometric training programs, courses, and systems for coaches and athletes. His initial coaching experience was as a track coach for jumpers and multi-eventers, which led him to work as the lead S&C coach for Itchen College Basketball in the UK. Matt teaches and delivers seminars around Europe and the US, while working with athletes from football to figure skating, using his expertise in jumping and plyometrics to enhance performance.
Plyometrics, in the general sense, are as old as time. How we have classified them and integrated them into training for sport started with track and field, and now is branching out more and more into team sport. Within both track and team sport, we have aspects of specificity, rhythms, coordination and integration that we can consider to really hone in our plyometric efforts on the ultimate progress of the athlete.
For today’s podcast, Matt covers his background as a soccer player, and the role of swing leg dynamics in kicking, and in its link to jumping. We talk about various plyometric combinations from the perspective of direction, height and distance, and how this factors into common exercises like bounding and hurdle hops. Extensive plyometrics in team sports, especially in season, is a debated topic we cover, and we finish with Matt talking about the origin and implementation of the “deep tier”, or full range plyometric exercises.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:36 – Matt’s background in soccer, and his introduction to jumping and track through basketball
11:42 – Single leg jumping in light of locomotion and the gait cycle
14:25 – The usage of the swing leg in a soccer kick, and how that fits with a single leg takeoff, or a bound
21:38 – How Matt looks at plyometrics for the sake of team sport development as opposed to track and field
31:52 – Matt’s take on high hurdle hops, and bounce-combos, in bilateral plyometric execution
42:00 – Thoughts on how much team sport athletes need to do extensive, high-contact volume, plyometrics, in light of their team sport demands
52:54 – Matt’s development and integration of “deep tier” plyometrics for athletes
Matt McInnes-Watson Quotes
“A big thing for me was speed on the ground in my takeoff, I went from .22s, to .17s when I jumped my best”
“In terms of my abilities to pick up skills with my feet (a background of soccer was a huge help)”
“It saddens me when you get a basketball player who cannot jump off of one leg”
“One of my favorite combos is 2 forward, and 1 back, I think the real pinnacle of athletic movements is 2 hops forward 1 hop back, or 2 hops forward, 1 hop upward”
“Especially for basketball players, lighter extensive work is hugely important for ankle rolls, if they have a history of ankle rolls”
“I play with those (multi-lateral) rhythms with team sport guys, not so much with track guys”
“You can’t hide in movements that are (inherently reflexive)”
“(Deep tier) paired with the rudimentary stuff seems to be a recipe that is working really really well for us”
“The deep tier is such great fun; there is a therapeutic side to achieving that full range of motion’
“There’s a safety net of providing a regular stimulus (with deep tier, stretch range plyos)”
“So I play with a variation of deep tier, called a double dip, so when you drop down, you drop again quickly, and you pop out of it, and it plays with passive reflexes at the bottom ranges”
About Matt McInnes-Watson
Matt McInnes Watson, MSc,

Jun 22, 2023 • 1h 19min
364: Mark Hoover on Evolving Concepts in Game Speed and Agility Training
Today’s podcast features guest Mark Hoover. Mark works for SimpliFaster in a coaching and technical consulting capacity and is the Director of Athletic Performance at Metrolina Christian Academy in Indian Trail, North Carolina. Coach Hoover started his career coaching football at both the high school and NCAA levels. After spending nearly 20 years in the dual role of sport coach/strength coach (including 11 years as a head football coach), he made the transition to full-time strength and conditioning in 2015.
Mark is a growth minded coach who is continually evolving his training process. Mark is continually evaluating his program based bettering one’s abilities on the field of play. The qualities it takes to be a weight room warrior are not the same as the fundamental speed and decision-making elements happening in the game itself.
As an individual who was better in the weight room than he was in sport, Mark has dedicated his own process in a different direction for those athletes he works with, doing what he can to ensure that they are adept movers, in addition to being strong and robust.
On today’s podcast, Mark talks about his approach to building game speed, rehearsed vs. problem solving agility movements, the role of basketball in overall movement development, and we finish with a brief chat on the role of the 1x20 strength system in Mark’s program. This show delved into some really important concepts of athlete development, and although it primarily discusses work done with high school athletes, the concepts are helpful for those on all levels of performance.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:13 – Mark’s original athletic journey, and how it has shaped the coach he is today
10:34 – What Mark would change in his own athletic journey to help himself become a better overall athlete
17:28 – Mark’s evolution in game-speed development, and how he has incorporated this into his training programs
22:44 – Training “fundamental” game speed, and agility movements, versus letting athletes purely self-organize in reactive game speed situations
37:07 – How to know when “fundamental” game speed training is linking into organic game-speed ability
41:32 – What sports the “planned” agility type work is most applicable towards, such as football on offense
53:25 – Sports that may need game-speed training more than others, and the “roll 90 test” that helps Mark find what athlete’s reactive speed deficits are
1:00:00 – Mark’s take on the edges of the feet, as it pertains to agility and game speed movement
1:03:59 – Mark’s usage of the 1x20 strength training system, and how he has used it and progressed it in his coaching
Mark Hoover Quotes
“As it turns out, the only time I was a star on that football field was when I was in that weight room”
“If I could go back, I would convince my younger self to play every sport possible”
“When people talk about mental toughness, it’s very task specific”
“We don’t do a whole lot of A-skips, or things, we do a lot of where we partner up, and one person stands an arm’s length behind another one, and one person has to hop hop squat, and it has to be a variable squat, on one leg, on two legs”
“This is probably blasphemy, but I would say (game speed agility/movement) is more important to master than squat, bench, deadlift”
“We still, even as we progress the drills, build in those basic, “feel” cues, and then when they take it over into the reactivity stuff, they know”
“That is probably the toughest concept of the whole thin...

Jun 15, 2023 • 1h 12min
363: Chris Korfist on Advancing Training Models in Sprint Performance
Today’s podcast features track and speed coach, Chris Korfist. Chris has been a high school coach in track and football for 3 decades with close to 100 All-State athletes. He is currently the sprints coach at Homewood Flossmoor high school in Chicago, owns the "Slow Guy Speed School”, and has consulted with professional sports teams all over the world, including the NFL, MLB, NBA, and Rugby League. Chris has been a favorite podcast guest on this show and is constantly evolving and innovating his methods.
Sprinting is a simple, yet complex topic, and one that requires a continual analysis of mechanics, exercises and training models. There are many ways to train athletes, and with this in mind, it’s important to understand the “first principles” of any training system. With many first principles taken from the brilliance of the “DB Hammer” training ideals, Chris has steadily evolved his training system, year over year, to the place where it is today.
This past season, Homewood Flossmoor won the Illinois state track championship, and won the 4x100m and 4x200m dashes on their way to the title. Chris’s adjustments to his speed training models worked well, with some athletes chopping off a second or more off of their 200m times from the previous year.
On the podcast today, Chris starts by talking about his mental training approach, and some unique mental training elements of this past year’s team. He then gets into the main changes he utilized this past training year, including reducing the speed endurance component of the work, and replacing it with some potent “AN2” bracket (30-40 second) specialized training for the sprints. Chris also goes into how he would specialize the exercises for sprinters of different archetypes (stompers vs. slicers) and much more.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
2:40 – How the state track meet went for Chris’s team this year, including a 41.03s 4x100m time and a state championship
7:08 – Updates on mental strategies for racing, and building mental highlight tapes for athletes prior to meets
20:49 – Some main changes that Chris made this year in his programming that proved successful in the team’s state championship performance
30:12 – Using the 1080 sprint for slow-speed iso-kinetic hamstring work to improve the injury resilience factor of the muscle group
33:53 – The specificity of the “AN2” (30-40 second) bracket of work for the special exercises that Chris’s athletes were performing
41:15 – “Stompers” vs. “Slicers” and how to train the weakness of each athlete
47:10 – Water bag training and the role of the trunk/core and arms in sprinting
49:33 – Hip flexor training and strength in speed development, and usage of the hip swing exercise
54:19 – How to use primetimes and flexed leg bounds in speed development
1:01:04 – Training frequency throughout the year, and how this was a lower frequency year for Chris’s athletes
1:06:49 – Final thoughts on working strengths vs. weaknesses, and when to stop trying to bring up weaknesses in a training year
Chris Korfist Quotes
“(The highlight/motivational videos for the kids) It’s just this constant feedback that you are all of that”
“This year, instead of goals, I had them focus on telling their story”
“Our self-talk this year became a story: This is where I came from, this is what I did, this is where I’m going; Tying in history and tying in stories to your self talk is really powerful, because as humans we all want a story”
“You figure out what motivates that kid, and then you push that button when you need to”
“I knew if we showed up to practice and did the exact s...

Jun 8, 2023 • 60min
362: Kevin Hollabaugh on Assessing and Developing Rotational Power and Sprint Performance
Today’s podcast features strength coach Kevin Hollabaugh. Kevin is a strength coach working at the New York Yankees Player Development Program, and is also the owner of Pro Force Sports Performance in Cincinnati, Ohio. He has been working in strength and conditioning since 2009. He previously served as the director of baseball player development, and also currently an adjunct professor at the University of Cincinnati.
Pro Force SP happens to be only a few miles from my home in Cincinnati, and I’ve enjoyed spending time there to play ultimate frisbee games with pro baseball players, as well as observing the data-points and training process on the 1080 Sprint with Kevin and his staff.
It's important to check your training process with some level of numbers and quantitative feedback to go with the qualitative process of coaching. Amongst other training tools, Kevin has two unique machines that allow him to pin data to athletic movements, on the level of the Proteus motion and 1080 Sprint. This show isn’t so much about those technologies and data points specifically as it is how Kevin has used the data to refine his speed and rotational training methods over time, how he now looks at training given those data-sets, and how it has evolved his programming.
In this episode, we’ll also talk about the Ultimate frisbee game variation that ProForce athletes love so much (as well as myself), balancing force vs. elasticity in swinging/throwing and sprinting, training weaknesses vs. strengths, and more.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
3:12 – The makings of the “Ultimate Frisbee Soccer” game that the ProForce baseball athletes (as well as myself) enjoyed playing immensely
15:26 – How Kevin started ProForce and his background as a coach
19:41 – The data-based backing of Kevin’s training and exercise selection process
27:09 – How the Proteus rotational training machine is helping Kevin to refine his core training programming
33:19 – The balance of training an athlete based on their strengths and weak-points, as per rotational power and linear speed in particular
41:14 – How to apply medicine ball training and rotational power to an athlete who relies heavily on the stretch shortening cycle, versus “concentric” muscular contribution
46:09 – How Kevin’s approach to speed training has been impacted by working with the 1080 Sprint machine and the associated data
56:53 – Kevin’s next steps in his coaching future
Kevin Hollabaugh Quotes
“It’s funny the evolution a simple game has taken, and how it can define the training in an off-season, but that’s kind of what it’s morphed into”
“(In frisbee) you get those (high pressure) opportunities that you don’t necessarily get in sport that are more low key”
“We’re all taught, here’s the way to teach speed, here’s the way to train core, and then you get on these pieces of technology (and data-based feedback) and you realize, “that didn’t translate””
“If you are struggling with the concentric strength and are good at strength shortening, we are using a heavier load (with medicine balls), with the proteus we are using a heavier load”
“One way (to build concentric-start rotational power when you are mostly elastic) would be starting with static starts on heavier loads (with medicine balls, etc.)… by keeping it at a light weight you are just going to be able to whip it which you are naturally good at”
“When there are increases in their hitting load, their pitching load, we back off on the medicine ball rotations and do more work on their non-dominant side”
“I didn’t need to do 7 drills in a speed session (being able to ...

Jun 1, 2023 • 1h 47min
361: David Weck and Chris Chamberlin on Rotation, Side-Bending and Tensional Balance in a High-Performance Training Program
Today’s podcast features David Weck and Chris Chamberlin of WeckMethod.
David Weck is biomechanist, and the creator of a number of inventions that work key characteristics of human locomotion and movement, including the BOSU Balance Trainer. David started the WeckMethod as a project to inspire and educate individuals on the importance of optimizing's human balance through locomotion as he works to make “Every Step Stronger” for everyone.
Chris Chamberlin is the Head Coach and Director of Education for the WeckMethod. Chris has over 15 years of coaching experience and a lifetime of personal practice in movement efficiency that has earned him recognition as a leader in innovative thought in the fitness industry. Chris has both a creative approach to multi-planar training, as well as impressive “raw” strength levels in the traditional lifts.
If you browse the internet, you will easily see a lot of “functional” training exercises, designed to catch eyeballs, that build neither strength, nor functional ability. The key in the effectiveness of any movement beyond a basic strength exercise is in its patterning, and closeness to the key characteristics of human locomotion, swinging and throwing. When you find movements that allow your body to truly feel more of what it uses in these core human patterns, you can then “port” that movement into the scope of your core strength and speed training.
At the end of the day, whether you like the BOSU Ball or not, David’s keen observations of the core components of human movement have played a substantial role for me in how I observe the twisting, side bending and general locomotive mechanisms of the human being. Chris Chamberlin has taken David’s observation and creativity, and put his lens of practicality onto the total process.
On the show today, David and Chris talk about how the WeckMethod helped Chris’s big-lifts to get even better, tool usage as an essential aspect of human movement, primal movement patterning in respect to training volume, bending and twisting integration into more traditional strength methods, concepts on the foot, and much more.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:40 – The origin story of David and Chris connecting and training, and how David’s methods impacted Chris’s movement and strength
6:18 – The uniquely human element of using tools, from a training perspective
18:22 – How Chris’s background as a carpenter (as well as his family background) has impacted the say he sees human movement in light of physical work tasks
27:43 – The role of using variability in training to achieve a greater impact to the movement tissues of the body
34:41 – How the Weck Method tools and ideas can build into, not only one’s rotational movement flow and ability, but also one’s physical strength
54:22 – Thoughts on the inside edge of the foot and the outside of the foot as it pertains to athletic performance
1:21:33 – Digging into the idea of “every step as a rep” regarding the body in balance
1:36:58 – How to integrate coiling work, into linear work, through the scope of a session, and Chris’s “4:1” ratio
David Weck and Chris Chamberlin Quotes
“I had instantly set a 40-45lb PR in my overhead bent press, just from learning a drill from (David) in a meeting that was meant for running faster”
“To the extent possible, we want the tool to be the teacher, we want to do less with words, and what we want to do is get someone to feel it so they understand it implicitly, rather than us trying to explain something, taking a lot of time”
“We distilled (our method) down to sticks, stones and ropes”

May 25, 2023 • 1h 8min
360: Ethan Reeve on Physical Education, Dynamic Athleticism and the Movement Learning Process
Today’s podcast features strength and performance coach, Ethan Reeve. Ethan is the director of strength and performance for MondoSport USA. He is the former president of the CSCCa, and has 44 years of experience coaching in college and high school ranks. In addition to decades in NCAA athletic performance, Reeve was a SEC champion wrestler, and was the head coach of the University of Tennessee, Chattanooga wrestling program from 1985 to 1990, achieving 5 Southern Conference titles in 6 years.
In the process of strength and conditioning/physical preparation; we can never get too far from the process of physical education and routinely observing the core qualities of athleticism
An interesting element in sport performance, and sport coaching in the past decades is that, compared to the pre-2000’s era, there are less coaches now who have physical education backgrounds. Perhaps, this is because, as the industry moves forward, physical preparation/athletic performance has swung more towards the quantitative aspects, than the “art” form of the process. Maybe it’s that most strength and conditioning jobs are working with high school or college athletes who are “further” along in their athletic development. Maybe it’s how the role and funding for physical education has been devalued over time. Despite all of this, as I get older, the more and more I realize just how much physical education has to offer, not only young athletes, but also the thought process in working with more established ones, and I believe physical education, and multi-sport coaching principles (such as wrestling in the scope of today’s show) should be far more common-place in athletic development conversations.
On today’s podcast, Ethan talks about his blend of the principles found in physical education and wrestling, and how these funnel into a sports performance training session. He speaks on how he views physical training through the eyes of a wrestling coach (of which he was a very successful one) and the learning environment he looks to set up in his training sessions. We discuss “belly up” speed training, key ground-based training movements, and other important principles of building a total athletic development program.
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:57 – Ethan’s journey physical education and wrestling training, and how that blended into his strength and conditioning practices
6:10 – The importance and correlation of integrating basic physical education movements, into sport performance training
12:41 – “Belly Up” movements transitioned into sprinting, for athletic development
19:31 – Examples of blending physical education principles into track and field and sport performance training settings
23:16 – Ethan’s take on how to be a better student of learning and teaching in one’s sport coaching process
35:10 – The importance of the total environment in the learning process for athletes
41:00 – How to use the 80/20 or 90/10 principle to help determine one’s core principles and focus in practice
46:19 – The intersection of what wrestling and track and field has to offer in terms of general physical preparation
54:42 – How Ethan views the role of the weight room from middle school, up until college in training
59:12 – Calisthenic, gymnastics, and rolls that Ethan feels great athletes can do well in the movement section of training
1:03:13 – Gymnastic, tumbling type work, and its impact on athlete mobility
Ethan Reeve Quotes
“(In physical education) We were taught dance, and rhythm, as well as lifetime sports”
“We had ropes we climbed, we had pegboards, we had tumbling mats,

May 18, 2023 • 1h 7min
359: Dan John on “Snapacity” and the 3P’s of Muscle-Action in Explosive Athletic Movement
Today’s podcast features coach, writer and educator, Dan John. Dan is a best-selling author in the field of strength training and fitness, with his most recent work being the “Easy Strength Omni-Book”. He is known for his ability to transfer complex material into actionable wisdom, has been a many-time guest on the show, and is one of my single greatest influences in the way that I see the process of coaching and training. As I grow older, coach more populations, and see the field evolve, I view and value Dan’s process and wisdom in new and even more meaningful ways.
One of those tenants of Dan that means more in each coming year is that, at its core, our training and movements are simple… it’s just the years and years of consistent, dedicated immersion in training to fully bring out that simplicity, that “trip up” many people. So often, we get caught up in the hacks, the shortcuts, and the “3 tips for X” within the social-media fist-fight for eyeballs.
On today’s episode, Dan talks about a few important concepts that any coach or athlete needs to come back to over and over again in their process, including the power of “compression”, the power of less, and the power of withholding. Dan speaks on this as it relates to cold track seasons (right before the 80 degree conference meet), and how it relates to the spark of coaching intuition that can happen in an environment deprived from one’s typical tools, and even how it can apply to our movement biomechanics.
Dan also gets into the nuts and bolts of “snapacity” (snap + capacity) that defines the core of athletic movement (elasticity and the work capacity to sustain it), and the related key muscle actions he calls “The 3 P’s”. Throughout the talk, Dan highlights the simple and core principles that drive training progress over time, as well tying in concepts on philosophy and personal growth that transcend training itself.
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Timestamps and Main Points:
2:01 – An update on how Dan’s track season has been, speaking on the upsides of the “compressed” format of his season based on weather
7:25 – Why “compressing and expanding” is such a critical element of one’s athletic performance, as well as life itself
12:13 – The importance of effort-level in human movement, and not “over-striking” a hammer against a nail
18:11 – The “3P’s” of muscle action; on the level of “Point, Poke, and Snap” as applied to explosive sport movement
29:41 – The importance of myth, story and tragedy in sport, life, and re-inventing ourselves”
35:01 – How sport movement, such as the discus or hammer, is like a symphony in nature, and how “over-trying” and imbalance of fluid effort reduces ones results
46:38 – The application and training of the critical athletic trait Dan calls “Snapacity”
1:00:09 – The simplicity, yet patience that the sport of track and field requires in athlete development
Dan John Quotes
“We often say, “what you compress, expands”; that is probably one of the greatest truisms of my coaching career. If I go into your gym and eliminate 9/10 of the equipment, then I find out how good of a strength coach you are”
“Sometimes taking things away is what makes you great”
“If you hit (the hammer too hard into the nail), it’s going to be worse….you’ve explained track and field, football, and every sport I’ve ever done in my life”
“The 3 P’s (of muscle action), point, poke, and snap”
“I teach discus throwing, javelin throwing that “you are a bag of rubber bands” and what we want to do for elite performance is get you to a place where we stretch those rubber bands, and then the important thing is,

May 11, 2023 • 1h 20min
358: Mark McLaughlin on Play-Based Warmups, Athletic Mastery and Aerobic Capacity Building
Today’s podcast features Mark McLaughlin. Mark is the founder of Performance Training Center, and currently works as a physical preparation/strength coach in the Lake Oswego school district. Mark has had a diverse sporting history as a youth, and has been active in the field of physical preparation since 1997. Mark has trained over 700 athletes at all competitive levels, from Olympic to grade school athletes, and has worked with organizations such as the NFL, MLB, NBA, NCAA universities, high schools, and youth sports.
The field of sports performance makes a lot of pendulum swings. We go from over-conditioning athletes to denouncing conditioning. From static stretching, to not stretching, to reconsidering stretching, to name a few. In the process of the swings, we do trend upwards (such as saving athletes from over-conditioning based practices with poor motor learning tactics). At the same time, I don’t believe we ask ourselves often enough if we are letting the pendulum swing too far.
What I’ve found is that for every rule that seems to be created, there are instantly going to be athletes, or entire training groups that break that rule. The only way to understand it all, is to constantly be expanding your viewpoints. We need to look at the broader mechanisms of biology, psychology, motor learning, and the long-term developmental principles of athletes to really gain wisdom in our guidance of athletes and individuals to their highest potential.
On today’s podcast, Mark talks about the polarity of his physical preparation process, on one end, giving the kids a dynamic pedagogical, free play-oriented training experience, and on the other, using technology to assess biological readiness markers and preparation levels for their sport. Mark finishes the show speaking on aerobic readiness as a recovery marker for explosive sport training. No matter where you are on the sport training spectrum, be it sport coaching, motor learning or purely physical development, there is a lot to be learned from Mark’s broad spectrum of knowledge in this episode. This show connects physical preparation with a depth of true sports development
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Timestamps and Main Points
2:57 – The diversity of groups that Mark works with, from football, to alpine skiing, to dance and many places in between
10:38 – Thoughts on fluidity and rhythm in the development of athleticism and even within injury prevention
17:16 – The use of gymnastics in athlete robustness and development
22:25 – Mark’s thoughts on helping to train kids in light of motor learning and a regular lack of general physical preparation
28:03 – The role of “economic constraints” in creativity and sport development
40:05 – The benefits of multi-age/multi-grade education, as well as athletic development and play possibilities, as well as a discussion of the Norwegian sport model and the success of Erling Haaland
49:16 – Mark’s system in terms of delaying intensive training stimuli in an athlete’s long term development
55:16 – The role of aerobic training in Mark’s system for team sport athletes, in capacity building and recovery
1:01:27 – “Zone 0” training in Mark’s system, inspired by the work of Landon Evans
1:05:37 – How to determine if athletes are in a resting sympathetic, or parasympathetic state for their training and workouts
Mark McLaughlin Quotes
“In dance, their events last two minutes, but their heart rates hit 200… there is a psychological driver of heart rates”
“I actually use our dance team to teach our football players how to dance; sport and movement is rhythm”
“Training with music is a big thing, gymnastics is a big thing,

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May 3, 2023 • 1h 22min
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