Thomas Hübl explores the concepts of Inner and Outer Coherence and the role they play in relationships and communication. He describes inner coherence as the capacity to understand our own inner experience, resonate with others, and feel whole. It’s a function of our nervous system that combines external sensory information with our internal thoughts and emotions.  He explains that inner coherence leads to outer coherence- it creates a space for us to be present, empathetic, and share openly with others. But when we become triggered or defensive, the bridges between us collapse, making it hard to feel other people, and leaving us stuck re-enacting or projecting our wounds from the past.  According to Thomas, by understanding and regulating our inner worlds, we can work together to manifest a better future. Key Points: 00:24 Inner Coherence creates Outer Coherence 02:24 Relational intelligence and transparent communication 04:47 The importance of developing inner awareness 07:46 Coherence transforms our presencing ability 09:25 How trauma hinders resonance and what to do about it 12:27 Why coherence is needed for social impact 14:32 Attunement breeds resilience and growth ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” and get free gifts when you follow the steps in the link below: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/   Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com   Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds.   Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl  

Thomas shares practices, theories, and more from his new book "Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma―and Our World". Pre-order now at attunedbook.com to receive a new guided meditation, book excerpt, and help alert booksellers to the strong interest in the book to ensure that it's stocked widely and accessible for people to find. Amy Elizabeth Fox of Mobius Executive Leadership was kind enough to conduct this interview with Thomas. According to Thomas, “Resonance is the universal language of life,” and the resonance that occurs between our nervous systems is what allows us to connect with each others’ experiences. He and Amy explore attunement practices that we can use in our daily lives in order to practice transparent communication and create safe environments where undigested trauma can begin to be processed and healed. They discuss the systemic and intergenerational nature of trauma, and how the deep benefits of practicing relational attunement ripple out into the larger world and are felt by future generations. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 00:52 Thomas’ inspiration for the book 03:23 Transparent communication and attunement 07:20 How trauma interrupts attunement 11:07 Relating as a remedy for trauma 14:38 The process of digesting trauma 20:07 How the lack of attunement affects the world 24:56 What is relational mysticism? 29:35 Individual, ancestral, and collective outlook in trauma healing 37:14 Practical tips for attunement   Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas is joined by writer, embodiment facilitator, political organizer, therapist, and the founder and director of The Embodiment Institute, Prentis Hemphill. They discuss the evolution of embodiment and somatics, and how our bodies are the sites at which transformation occurs in trauma work.  Prentis discusses their work in social and political movements to address individual and collective trauma, and to tap into the resilience and creativity needed to envision solutions to the catastrophes and crises that we face.  They explore the need to acknowledge our interconnectedness in healing spaces, and the potential of somatics and embodiment to help us understand ourselves, integrate the traumatic events we’ve experienced, and re-awaken parts of ourselves that may have gone dormant. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 01:41 What shaped Prentis' career 07:14 Internalizing vs Awake 12:11 Staying connected to the source 13:47 How generational pain surfaces in present relationships 19:55 Our bodies remember traumatic stories 26:25 Disrupting the wellness industry 29:50 The distortion of trauma 32:16 Being open to change and healing 39:00 The need for collective rituals 45:05 Fostering intimacy for deeper healing 49:58 Prentis’ hope for the world Prentis Hemphill (They/Them) is unearthing the connections between healing, community accountability, and our most inspired visions for social transformation. They are a therapist, somatics teacher and facilitator, political organizer, writer, and the founder of The Embodiment Institute. For over 10 years, they have been working with individuals and organizations during their most challenging moments of change; navigating leadership transitions, conflict, and realigning practice with values. They hold an M.A. in Clinical Psychology and have worked in low-cost mental health clinics offering therapeutic services to marginalized people. In 2016, they were awarded the Buddhist Peace Fellowship Soma Award for community work inspired by Buddhist thought. Their work has been featured in the New York Times, Huffington Post, and Shondaland. They are a contributor to The Politics of Trauma by Staci K. Haines, as well as You are Your Best Thing edited by Brené Brown and Tarana Burke, and Holding Change by Adrienne Maree Brown. Links: Website: https://prentishemphill.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prentishemphill/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/prentishemphill/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100076227080719 Listen and know more about Prentis Hemphill’s podcast, Finding Our Way.  👉 https://www.findingourwaypodcast.com/ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Thomas is joined by author, leadership expert, and the founder of Leadership Circle, Bob Anderson.  They discuss what it takes to be an effective leader in our current era of change and upheaval. Through research and extensive experience, Bob has concluded that the most salient characteristic of an effective leader is their emphasis on relationship, and that this is a universal theme across all cultures.  He explains how an effective leader can develop a group whose collective intelligence is greater than any one individual’s intelligence, and that this is where the emergent future lies.  Thomas and Bob also explore how to be open to new insights and inspirations in order to take your work to an innovative edge, and the “core tension” between purpose and safety. Key Points: 02:29 What makes a successful leader? 08:17 How to create collective leadership 11:04 The emerging future of leadership 15:22 Breaking the reactive pattern 19:37 Self-authorship makes better leaders 33:54 Are you living your true purpose? 37:09 Treading the edge of irrelevance 40:09 Being open to inspiration Bob Anderson is the Founder, Chairman, and Chief Development Officer of the Leadership Circle. He dedicated his career to exploring the intersections between leadership and personal mastery, and between competence and consciousness. He has completed his second co-authored book "Scaling Leadership: Building Organizational Capability and Capacity to Create Outcomes that Matter Most." "Scaling Leadership" is an essential guide that offers senior leaders the information needed to develop conscious leadership at scale with their organization.  Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-j-anderson/ Leadership Circle Website: https://leadershipcircle.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tlcasiapacific Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas Hübl explores how tension is a physical manifestation of undigested trauma, and how we can begin to release tension by becoming more in tune with our emotions. Trauma responses can cause us to feel angry, overwhelmed, numb, and disconnected from the present moment. Thomas explains the importance of recognizing these signs of dysregulation without judgment.  Moments of stress can guide us toward the emotions that we need to address and digest, serving as opportunities for us to better understand our inner worlds. He also provides tools to help regulate the nervous system and find presence during difficult moments and walks us through the 3-Sync Meditation technique. Key Points: 00:17 Stress can be reactive or numbing 02:26 Physical tension is undigested trauma 04:44 Using the breath to self-regulate 06:05 Learning to be in the present moment 08:29 Trauma responses serve a purpose 12:12 Self-awareness reduces stress 13:12 The 3-Sync Meditation technique 16:21 Mindfulness encourages fluidity and ease Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ThomasHuebl  YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Dr. Ruby Gibson; author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© joins Thomas for a second conversation. They dive deep into Ruby’s life’s work offering healing to Native Americans. They discuss methods of healing that address the historical and ongoing traumatization of Native American communities, and how she weaves traditional spiritual protocols into newer methodologies. Ruby explains that Indigenous people view life as a wheel in which everything is interconnected and that individual healing is inextricably linked to communal healing. She stresses the importance of healing in groups in order to foster a sense of belonging, something that Native people struggle with after enduring genocide and discrimination. She and Thomas explore the role that Mother Earth plays in the healing process, and how praying over scarred and embattled places can be spiritually restorative.  Key Points: 05:36 Maturing into the awakening journey 12:32 Navigating healing during ongoing trauma 17:33 Wellness is abundant and readily available 24:25 One-on-one vs. collective healing 30:47 A healthy way of dealing with shame 34:18 How to do an inner check-in 41:10 Dr. Gibson’s recovery center plans 47:03 Online resources to stay connected  For 35+ years, Dr. Ruby Gibson has been dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and wellness among Native and Indigenous Peoples all around Turtle Island, and abroad in Europe and Australia. She developed two intergenerational trauma recovery models – Somatic Archaeology© and Generational Brainspotting™. Dr. Gibson is the author of, My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology. As the Executive Director of Freedom Lodge non-profit, Dr. Gibson’s renowned training, the Historical Trauma Master Class©, has assisted hundreds of Indigenous people to recovery from the generational suffering of ethnocide.  Get in touch with Dr. Ruby Gibson here. Website: https://rubygibson.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/freedomlodge7/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freedomlodgeinc/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freedom-lodge-41b44a103/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freedomlodge3291  Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas interviews world-renowned trauma expert and the author of “The Body Keeps the Score,” Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. They discuss different approaches to healing trauma on individual and societal levels. Dr. Van der Kolk emphasizes the need for physical and relational safety in order to process trauma, and the difficulty of healing in environments that tend towards disembodiment. He explains that trauma causes us to become numb, withdrawn, and full of shame, and that we experience these sensations physically. But through collective and creative experiences, practicing self-compassion, and deepening our relationship with our physical bodies and the sensations we feel, we can reconnect to ourselves, re-discover our spirituality, and define our own identities. Key Points: 02:55 The importance of trauma awareness 06:21 Relational safety forms healthy societies 10:04 An interesting insight into generational trauma 15:10 How safety affects academic performance 18:15 Reigniting physical sensations for healing 23:32 What goes on in healing workshops 29:07 The cycle of trauma and how to break it 38:04 Experiencing healing in the collective 40:24 Being connected makes us Earth-conscious 42:55 MDMA-assisted trauma work 47:57 Spirituality as a healing resource 50:20 Do this daily grounding practice Bessel van der Kolk, MD is a psychiatrist, author, researcher, and educator based in Boston, United States. Since the 1970s, his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress. He is the author of The New York Times best-seller, The Body Keeps the Score. Van der Kolk formerly served as president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies and is a former co-director of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network. He is a professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and president of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts. Website: https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/ Facebook: https://web.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore?_rdc=1&_rdr LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/besselvanderkolk/ Instagram: @thebodykeepsthescore Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas interviews the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox.  They discuss the vital importance of integrating the profound wisdom found in trauma healing into the practice of leadership development. Amy describes the enormous influence that traumatic symptoms have on the way that companies operate, and how their cultures are formed.  In her work with organizations in both the private and public sectors, she encourages workers and leaders to view internal problems as opportunities for transformation. By understanding and being open about their own lives and experiences, Mobius practitioners create a safe space for employees to explore their authentic selves, and relate to their coworkers with empathy and vulnerability. Amy explains that being in relation in this way provides the essential emotional intelligence tools needed to operate as high-performing teams. Key Points: 04:24 Relationality is the root of repair 07:12 Why companies need deep healing work 10:14 How can leaders be agents of transformation? 13:26 Speak to your employees’ highest possibility 15:52 Transformation starts with the self 18:13 Friction as opportunities for growth 22:06 Are you on your self-authorship journey? --------------- Amy Elizabeth Fox is a senior leadership strategist with experience consulting to senior leadership on issues related to human capital, organizational health, and leadership development. She is the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a premier leadership development firm with offices in Boston and Switzerland. Over the past decade and a half, she has spoken at numerous national industry gatherings and led workshops for corporate executives across the country. Amy is also a psychotherapist and an executive coach.  Connect with Amy: Website: https://www.mobiusleadership.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amy.e.fox.94/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/ Twitter: @Amy_Mobius  Connect with Mobius: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MobiusUS Instagram: @mobiusexecutiveleadership Twitter: @MobiusExecLead --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram and Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Thomas is joined by author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© Dr. Ruby Gibson. They dive deep into her work on ancestral healing, which she refers to as ‘historical trauma recovery.’ Ruby leads an organization called The Freedom Lodge whose mission is to provide education and healing for Native American communities. Combining the sacred medicine of the Lakota traditions with modern approaches to psychology, she has developed integrated processes to learn and heal from both past and ongoing trauma. She and Thomas discuss the dire need for better resources for Natives who’ve suffered under oppressive systems, and the healing power of building a spiritual connection to our earth, our histories, our communities, and ourselves. Key Points: 01:05 What is historical trauma recovery? 05:44 The drive to heal humanity 10:40 An eye-opening, spiritual dream 16:12 Being ready is a feeling 21:50 The five steps to somatic archeology 30:36 Applying somatic archeology in the community 34:54 Unity promotes survival 38:11 Spirituality encourages societal healing 42:48 Transformation in ongoing trauma 47:46 Cultivating a healthy dynamic for change 52:00 The need for larger-scale rituals for trauma recovery --------------- Dr. Ruby Gibson has spent the past 40 years dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and generational well-being among Native and Indigenous Peoples. Dr. Gibson founded Freedom Lodge, a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, in Rapid City, SD to serve our relatives and communities. Dr. Gibson developed the transgenerational trauma recovery model Somatic Archaeology©. and is the author of My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology, and My Body, My Breath, A Tool for Transformation, which are available in English, Romanian, and Spanish. Dr. Gibson developed and teaches a Historical Trauma Master Class, and builds leadership skills in Native Wellness amongst the graduates. She also teaches a Somatic Archaeology© Master Class for non—Native students. Using our Body and Mother Earth as benevolent sources of biological, emotional, and ancestral memory, Dr. Ruby’s techniques are being evaluated and researched among her students with amazing effectiveness.  Get in touch with Dr. Ruby Gibson here: Website: https://rubygibson.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/freedomlodge7/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freedomlodgeinc/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freedom-lodge-41b44a103/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freedomlodge3291 --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Thomas Hübl explores how trauma changes our experience of time, and how integration and acceptance can help us create a better future. When traumatic events occur in the present moment, we become overwhelmed, and our experience of "presence" is split, pushing the trauma into the subconscious realm.  He explains that our compartmentalized trauma is like a data package that becomes stuck in the past, interrupting the flow of time like a rock in a river. As we go through life, we experience tension, numbness, and absence-- repetitive difficulties influenced by the trauma embedded in our past. Thomas provides insight into how we can embrace and integrate our pain and our defense mechanisms, and how that is a more healing and effective way to create change than trying to get rid of them. Key Points: 01:05 The notion of presence and integrated history 05:13 How trauma is compartmentalized 08:52 Fragmented data becomes repetitive patterns 11:38 Projecting the future 18:42 Onboard the past for a better future 21:11 Cultivate a fertile land for inner change ---------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com