
Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl
Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
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Nov 14, 2023 • 21min
Creating Safe Spaces At Work: A Q&A Episode
In part two of this special Q&A series, Thomas answers more of the thoughtful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté. This Q&A centers on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned. In this episode, Thomas discusses the impact of individual healing and attunement on larger social systems, and what is needed to create more grounded, attuned, and trauma-informed workplaces. ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

Nov 7, 2023 • 51min
Joana Breidenbach | Disinformation Through the Lens of Trauma
Thomas is joined by cultural anthropologist, social entrepreneur, and author, Joana Breidenbach. They discuss the ecosystem of disinformation that is fragmenting society and the systemic factors that contribute to it. Joana explains the role that technology plays in how we obtain and interpret information, exploring the motives of those who spread disinformation, and the historical trends that have made it increasingly difficult for people to understand unfamiliar perspectives. She and Thomas also examine how individual and collective trauma can make us more susceptible to disinformation, and how greater self-reflection, embodiment, and humility can make us more resilient to it. ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Joana Breidenbach is a cultural anthropologist, social entrepreneur, and author. She is co-founder of betterplace.org, Germany’s largest donation platform. In 2010, she founded the betterplace lab, a think tank researching the use of digital technologies for the common good. She has been studying with Thomas Hübl for over a decade and explores the importance of inner work for entrepreneurship and social innovation. ✨ Connect with Joana Breidenbach here: 👉 https://www.joanabreidenbach.de/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

Oct 31, 2023 • 49min
Pádraig Ó Tuama | Creating Healing Spaces
Thomas Huebl discusses spirituality, trauma, and art with Pádraig Ó Tuama. They emphasize the importance of creating healing spaces through artistic expressions and structured rituals. The conversation focuses on acknowledging past traumas, connecting with nature, and fostering trust in the healing process.

Oct 24, 2023 • 50min
Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone: Metabolizing Intergenerational Trauma
Rabbi Dr. Tirzah Firestone, a renowned Jewish scholar and Jungian psychotherapist, dives into the complex world of intergenerational trauma. She highlights how trauma is embedded in our nervous systems, particularly due to historical events like World War II. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of collective healing and the power of acknowledging past pains. Firestone introduces breathwork and visualization techniques, and encourages connecting with ancestral wisdom, illustrating how shared practices can help us overcome unresolved traumas.

Oct 17, 2023 • 29min
Healing Across Divides: A Q&A Episode with Thomas Hübl
In this special Q&A episode, Thomas answers some insightful questions submitted by listeners during his recent live event with Dr. Gabor Maté, which focused on topics explored in Thomas’ recently released book - Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World. The questions covered by Thomas explore how to practice attunement in an environment of harsh political polarization, why it’s difficult - but possible - to feel attuned to collective issues even when there is discord in your family or personal relationships, and that the numbness many of us feel in response to trauma is not a barrier to attunement but a valid experience that we would all benefit from attuning to. ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

Oct 10, 2023 • 51min
Dr. Angel Acosta - AI: The Meeting of Consciousness and Technology, Part 1
Thomas is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss Artificial Intelligence, or AI, and the radical shifts it is generating in our lives, our work, and our collective consciousness. While AI holds incredible potential for the evolution of humanity, its creation and implementation also raise a number of serious ethical concerns. Thomas and Dr. Acosta explore how this cutting-edge technology mirrors both the best and worst aspects of human society and how our approach to it can either create further discrimination and trauma or help us to better understand ourselves and collectively heal. Key points discussed in this episode include: ✨How addressing the biases inherent in AI technology can create a leap forward in collective consciousness ✨The fear that occurs when new inventions arise, and how integrating trauma enables us to assess the situation with more clarity ✨The need to heal deep wounds in our collective unconscious so that they are not propagated by AI ✨How the widespread use of AI represents a major evolutionary moment for our species ✨Exploring what it would look like to develop AI for the specific purpose of healing trauma ----------- ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 attunedbook.com Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Dr. Angel Acosta is a contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness who earned his Ed.D. in Curriculum and Teaching from Teachers College at Columbia University. He is the convener of the Healing Centered Education Summit, Chair of the Acosta Institute, and Director of the Garrison Institute's Fellowship Program. 👉 Website 👉 YouTube Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Connect with Thomas here. 👉 Website 👉 Facebook 👉 Instagram 👉 Twitter 👉 YouTube Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 pocketproject.org

Oct 3, 2023 • 1h 16min
Jack Kornfield - Healing Trauma Through Collective Meditation
Thomas Hübl is joined by writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield. They discuss how Buddhist meditation and mindfulness practices, in combination with more traditional forms of therapy, can help to heal individual and collective trauma. Jack explores how his own traumatic experiences led him to Buddhism. Early in his spiritual journey, he spent extensive time in highly traumatized environments. There, he learned the importance of creating safe, ritual containers where people can come together to share and process their trauma. He believes that mindful, loving awareness is a skill that anyone can learn, and it’s an essential practice for anyone seeking to heal their own trauma or be a compassionate witness to the trauma of others. Ultimately, Jack believes that love is our most powerful tool to address the world’s most dire problems. ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl #thomashuebl #collectivetrauma #healing

Sep 26, 2023 • 51min
Christina Bethell - Relational Systems of Health Care
Thomas is joined by internationally recognized change agent and Professor at Johns Hopkins University, Christina Bethell. They discuss her research and work to transform children’s healthcare systems and promote relational well-being for families and communities. Christina has created what she calls the Positive Childhood Experiences Scale, a measurement of beneficial relational experiences that can help to offset the effects of Adverse Childhood Experiences, or ACEs. She and Thomas explore how medical health providers, therapists, and families can improve their relational attunement and build lasting connections that build pathways to healing. Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com #thomashuebl #trauma #healing

Sep 19, 2023 • 21min
Understanding and Healing from Collective Trauma
Thomas Hübl shares his perspective on the fundamentals of collective trauma. He describes it as an ecosystem that we all inhabit, and all affect. He explores what societies can do to foster growth and healing while enduring repeated traumatic events, both large-scale and personal. According to Thomas, therein lies the key - healing on both the individual and collective levels. He discusses what makes an effective community healing space, and how such spaces allow us to integrate our traumatic past, giving us the tools to address our current systemic problems and build societies that are more just and resilient. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 00:58 The existence of collective trauma 04:33 How collective trauma remains frozen 08:51 The need for activism and healing spaces 10:04 Causes and effects of unrecognized trauma 13:41 How to cultivate healing from collective trauma 17:14 Why shared safe spaces are crucial for transformation Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” is out now! Find a copy at your local bookseller, or visit: 👉 attunedbook.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Learn more at thomashuebl.com. #thomashuebl #trauma #healing

Sep 12, 2023 • 46min
Otto Scharmer and Antoinette Klatzky - Creating Social Systems with a Soul
Thomas is joined by Senior Lecturer in the MIT Management Sloan School, and the Founding Chair of the Presencing Institute, Otto Scharmer, and facilitator, systems change leader, intrapreneur, and strategist, Antoinette Klatzky. They discuss what Otto calls the “architectures of connection”-- the social systems and structures that can either be extractive and perpetuate violence and trauma, or be open and regenerative and enable healing. Thomas, Antionette, and Otto also explore how they’ve taken differing paths to the same conclusion; that all societies need collective healing spaces where intense emotions and experiences can be witnessed and creative inspiration for the future can emerge. Key Points: 00:00 Introduction 01:54 Healing as staying heart-connected 04:24 The lack of societal architectures for healing spaces 10:02 Cultivating our inner soil for regeneration 15:42 Social systems and the root of structural violence 21:55 Awareness of the social field 26:15 The presence of the circle being and how it works 35:10 The impact of acknowledging pain and trauma 39:37 The enabling conditions for healing Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” is out now! Find a copy at your local bookseller, or visit: 👉 attunedbook.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. Learn more at thomashuebl.com