Dr. Ruby Gibson; author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© joins Thomas for a second conversation. They dive deep into Ruby’s life’s work offering healing to Native Americans. They discuss methods of healing that address the historical and ongoing traumatization of Native American communities, and how she weaves traditional spiritual protocols into newer methodologies. Ruby explains that Indigenous people view life as a wheel in which everything is interconnected and that individual healing is inextricably linked to communal healing. She stresses the importance of healing in groups in order to foster a sense of belonging, something that Native people struggle with after enduring genocide and discrimination. She and Thomas explore the role that Mother Earth plays in the healing process, and how praying over scarred and embattled places can be spiritually restorative.  Key Points: 05:36 Maturing into the awakening journey 12:32 Navigating healing during ongoing trauma 17:33 Wellness is abundant and readily available 24:25 One-on-one vs. collective healing 30:47 A healthy way of dealing with shame 34:18 How to do an inner check-in 41:10 Dr. Gibson’s recovery center plans 47:03 Online resources to stay connected  For 35+ years, Dr. Ruby Gibson has been dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and wellness among Native and Indigenous Peoples all around Turtle Island, and abroad in Europe and Australia. She developed two intergenerational trauma recovery models – Somatic Archaeology© and Generational Brainspotting™. Dr. Gibson is the author of, My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology. As the Executive Director of Freedom Lodge non-profit, Dr. Gibson’s renowned training, the Historical Trauma Master Class©, has assisted hundreds of Indigenous people to recovery from the generational suffering of ethnocide.  Get in touch with Dr. Ruby Gibson here. Website: https://rubygibson.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/freedomlodge7/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freedomlodgeinc/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freedom-lodge-41b44a103/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freedomlodge3291  Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas interviews world-renowned trauma expert and the author of “The Body Keeps the Score,” Dr. Bessel van der Kolk. They discuss different approaches to healing trauma on individual and societal levels. Dr. Van der Kolk emphasizes the need for physical and relational safety in order to process trauma, and the difficulty of healing in environments that tend towards disembodiment. He explains that trauma causes us to become numb, withdrawn, and full of shame, and that we experience these sensations physically. But through collective and creative experiences, practicing self-compassion, and deepening our relationship with our physical bodies and the sensations we feel, we can reconnect to ourselves, re-discover our spirituality, and define our own identities. Key Points: 02:55 The importance of trauma awareness 06:21 Relational safety forms healthy societies 10:04 An interesting insight into generational trauma 15:10 How safety affects academic performance 18:15 Reigniting physical sensations for healing 23:32 What goes on in healing workshops 29:07 The cycle of trauma and how to break it 38:04 Experiencing healing in the collective 40:24 Being connected makes us Earth-conscious 42:55 MDMA-assisted trauma work 47:57 Spirituality as a healing resource 50:20 Do this daily grounding practice Bessel van der Kolk, MD is a psychiatrist, author, researcher, and educator based in Boston, United States. Since the 1970s, his research has been in the area of post-traumatic stress. He is the author of The New York Times best-seller, The Body Keeps the Score. Van der Kolk formerly served as president of the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies and is a former co-director of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network. He is a professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and president of the Trauma Research Foundation in Brookline, Massachusetts. Website: https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/ Facebook: https://web.facebook.com/thebodykeepsthescore?_rdc=1&_rdr LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/besselvanderkolk/ Instagram: @thebodykeepsthescore Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here. Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Thomas interviews the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox.  They discuss the vital importance of integrating the profound wisdom found in trauma healing into the practice of leadership development. Amy describes the enormous influence that traumatic symptoms have on the way that companies operate, and how their cultures are formed.  In her work with organizations in both the private and public sectors, she encourages workers and leaders to view internal problems as opportunities for transformation. By understanding and being open about their own lives and experiences, Mobius practitioners create a safe space for employees to explore their authentic selves, and relate to their coworkers with empathy and vulnerability. Amy explains that being in relation in this way provides the essential emotional intelligence tools needed to operate as high-performing teams. Key Points: 04:24 Relationality is the root of repair 07:12 Why companies need deep healing work 10:14 How can leaders be agents of transformation? 13:26 Speak to your employees’ highest possibility 15:52 Transformation starts with the self 18:13 Friction as opportunities for growth 22:06 Are you on your self-authorship journey? --------------- Amy Elizabeth Fox is a senior leadership strategist with experience consulting to senior leadership on issues related to human capital, organizational health, and leadership development. She is the Chief Executive Officer of Mobius Executive Leadership, a premier leadership development firm with offices in Boston and Switzerland. Over the past decade and a half, she has spoken at numerous national industry gatherings and led workshops for corporate executives across the country. Amy is also a psychotherapist and an executive coach.  Connect with Amy: Website: https://www.mobiusleadership.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amy.e.fox.94/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/ Twitter: @Amy_Mobius  Connect with Mobius: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MobiusUS Instagram: @mobiusexecutiveleadership Twitter: @MobiusExecLead --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram and Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Thomas is joined by author, cultural healer and advocate, and the developer of Somatic Archaeology© Dr. Ruby Gibson. They dive deep into her work on ancestral healing, which she refers to as ‘historical trauma recovery.’ Ruby leads an organization called The Freedom Lodge whose mission is to provide education and healing for Native American communities. Combining the sacred medicine of the Lakota traditions with modern approaches to psychology, she has developed integrated processes to learn and heal from both past and ongoing trauma. She and Thomas discuss the dire need for better resources for Natives who’ve suffered under oppressive systems, and the healing power of building a spiritual connection to our earth, our histories, our communities, and ourselves. Key Points: 01:05 What is historical trauma recovery? 05:44 The drive to heal humanity 10:40 An eye-opening, spiritual dream 16:12 Being ready is a feeling 21:50 The five steps to somatic archeology 30:36 Applying somatic archeology in the community 34:54 Unity promotes survival 38:11 Spirituality encourages societal healing 42:48 Transformation in ongoing trauma 47:46 Cultivating a healthy dynamic for change 52:00 The need for larger-scale rituals for trauma recovery --------------- Dr. Ruby Gibson has spent the past 40 years dedicated to the craft and science of Historical Trauma reconciliation, cultural healing, and generational well-being among Native and Indigenous Peoples. Dr. Gibson founded Freedom Lodge, a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization, in Rapid City, SD to serve our relatives and communities. Dr. Gibson developed the transgenerational trauma recovery model Somatic Archaeology©. and is the author of My Body, My Earth, The Practice of Somatic Archaeology, and My Body, My Breath, A Tool for Transformation, which are available in English, Romanian, and Spanish. Dr. Gibson developed and teaches a Historical Trauma Master Class, and builds leadership skills in Native Wellness amongst the graduates. She also teaches a Somatic Archaeology© Master Class for non—Native students. Using our Body and Mother Earth as benevolent sources of biological, emotional, and ancestral memory, Dr. Ruby’s techniques are being evaluated and researched among her students with amazing effectiveness.  Get in touch with Dr. Ruby Gibson here: Website: https://rubygibson.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/freedomlodge7/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/freedomlodgeinc/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/freedom-lodge-41b44a103/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@freedomlodge3291 --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com Get to know The Pocket Project: 👉 https://pocketproject.org/

Thomas Hübl explores how trauma changes our experience of time, and how integration and acceptance can help us create a better future. When traumatic events occur in the present moment, we become overwhelmed, and our experience of "presence" is split, pushing the trauma into the subconscious realm.  He explains that our compartmentalized trauma is like a data package that becomes stuck in the past, interrupting the flow of time like a rock in a river. As we go through life, we experience tension, numbness, and absence-- repetitive difficulties influenced by the trauma embedded in our past. Thomas provides insight into how we can embrace and integrate our pain and our defense mechanisms, and how that is a more healing and effective way to create change than trying to get rid of them. Key Points: 01:05 The notion of presence and integrated history 05:13 How trauma is compartmentalized 08:52 Fragmented data becomes repetitive patterns 11:38 Projecting the future 18:42 Onboard the past for a better future 21:11 Cultivate a fertile land for inner change ---------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com  

Thomas is joined by restorative justice facilitator and public speaker sujatha baliga. They discuss Restorative Justice - a term coined by Howard Zehr that represents a paradigm shift in the way we think about harm and wrongdoing. It calls us to eschew the extreme and ineffective punitiveness of the criminal justice system in favor of community-based processes that align with our interdependent nature.  Sujatha explains how her methods were inspired by three groups - the Mennonites, the Navajo tribe, and the Buddhist Nalanda tradition. She reveals that her work is not only more effective in addressing the root causes of crime, and reducing repeated incidents of harm, but is also planting seeds for a radically more just future. Key Points: 01:48 Sujatha’s journey to her advocacy 08:18 Restorative justice vs. the current justice system 11:40 What it means to be well-resourced 16:52 Restorative justice is sustainable 19:57 The factors to facilitate a restorative process 25:56 The responsibility of the oppressed 34:12 Transformation starts within us 37:40 How can communities contribute? 44:25 Addressing collective issues with restorative justice --------------- sujatha baliga’s work is characterized by an equal dedication to people who’ve experienced and caused harm and violence. A former victim advocate and public defender, sujatha is a frequent guest lecturer at universities and conferences about her decades of restorative justice work. She also speaks publicly and inside prisons about her own experiences as a survivor of child sexual abuse and her path to forgiveness. Her personal and research interests include the forgiveness of seemingly unforgivable acts, survivor-led movements, restorative justice’s potential impact on racial disparities in our legal systems, and Buddhist approaches to conflict transformation. She’s a member of the Gyuto Foundation in Richmond, CA, where she leads meditation on Monday nights. She was named a 2019 MacArthur Fellow. Website: https://www.sujathabaliga.com/ Twitter & Instagram: @sujathabaliga LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sujatha-baliga-9813184/ ---------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com

Please note that this episode was recorded during the first months of the war in Ukraine, and William and Thomas' commentary is relevant to that time. Since then, circumstances may have changed. Humiliation is reflected in most major historical events, especially in wars. Throughout the centuries, humans continue to be stuck in the same pattern of humiliation. And it has become even more significant in the present. With COVID-19 bringing a sense of interconnectedness and the whole world tuning in to the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, author and anthropologist William Ury dissects the root cause of this cycle. He explains that empathy is our most powerful tool in negotiation, as it enables us to understand our "opponents" and communicate with them effectively. *Please note that this episode was recorded during the first months of the war in Ukraine, and William and Thomas' commentary is relevant to that time. Since then, circumstances may have changed.* Key points include: ✔️ How doing our inner work helps us to act more effectively toward the betterment of the collective ✔️ Using strategic empathy to better understand an “opponent” and find a constructive way out of conflict ✔️ How both COVID-19 and the war in Ukraine galvanized the world and made us aware of our interconnectedness ✔️ Fear and crises tune our collective instrument, and we can use them as an opportunity for positive transformation ✔️ Being a “possible-ist” - someone who can see both negative and positive possibilities and potentials, and can act accordingly to move situations in a positive direction --------------- William Ury is one of the world’s leading experts on negotiation and mediation. As the co-founder of the Program on Negotiation, he is a driving force behind many new negotiation theories and practices. Ury is the co-author with Roger Fisher and Bruce Patton of Getting to Yes, a 15-million-copy bestseller translated into more than 35 languages, and the author of several other books including the award-winning Getting to Yes with Yourself. Over the last four decades, Ury has served as a negotiation advisor and mediator in conflicts ranging from the Cold War to ethnic and civil wars in the Middle East, Chechnya, Yugoslavia, and most recently in Colombia, where he serves as a senior advisor to President Juan Manuel Santos. In addition to teaching negotiation and mediation to tens of thousands of executives, Ury is the founder of the Abraham Path Initiative, which seeks to bring people together across cultures by opening a long-distance walking route in the Middle East that retraces the footsteps of Abraham and his family. In recognition of his work, he has received the Cloke-Millen Peacemaker Award, the Whitney North Seymour Award from the American Arbitration Association, and the Distinguished Service Medal from the Russian Parliament. --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com

In this episode, Thomas explores the concept of Ancestral Healing - a way of attuning with our ancestors and integrating the information they’ve passed down through our family histories. We inherit wisdom and resilience from our ancestors, as well as trauma and pain. Thomas explains the need to incorporate all of these aspects into ourselves so that we can draw strength from our ancestral data flow when we need it, and learn from their wounds and transgressions in order to release ourselves and our families from patterns that no longer serve us. Key Points: 00:24 Decentralizing the focus of hyper-individualism 04:52 Our bodies carry ancestral data 08:20 Trauma is generationally transmitted 11:55 Exploring the difficult parts of the past 14:38 Liquefying the past is personal development --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com

Thomas and celebrated international speaker, post-humanist thinker, and author Bayo Akomolafe delve into the pitfalls of modernity and modern psychology, and the need for new ways of navigating hidden and invisible thresholds. Bayo discusses his work tracing stories, folklore, and archetypes and how they invite us to do something akin to activism - a sensorial politics that he refers to as “post-activism.” They discuss the need for fresh modes of responding to crises that can invite us to develop new intelligences. Key Points: 01:00 Parenting & disruptions of time and space 10:36 New Institute Fellowship 15:00 Bayo’s upcoming book 18:46 What is post-activism? 24:52 The response to the crisis is part of the crisis 31:14 Psychology is the policeman of capitalism 39:17 A new perspective on politics 47:33 Losing our way in order to create change ---------------- Bayo Akomolafe (Ph.D.), rooted with the Yoruba people in a more-than-human world, is the father to Alethea and Kyah, the grateful life-partner to Ije, son and brother. A widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of two books, These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home (North Atlantic Books) and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo Akomolafe is the Founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’.  He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. He sits on the Board of many organizations including Science and Non-Duality (US) and Local Futures (Australia). In July 2022, Dr. Akomolafe was appointed the inaugural Global Senior Fellow of the University of California’s (Berkeley) Othering and Belonging Institute. He has also been appointed Senior Fellow for The New Institute in Hamburg, Germany. Website: bayoakomolafe.net ---------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com  

Thomas talks with award-winning documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan about her experience of interviewing extremists. Rather than dismissing them as unreachable fanatics, Deeyah has decided to engage them directly as human beings, with respect for our common humanity. She and Thomas reflect on how to remain hopeful and empathetic amidst the social divisiveness of our time. Multi-award-winning filmmaker Deeyah Khan has directed documentaries such as “Banaz: A Love Story (2012)” and “White Right: Meeting The Enemy (2017)”, which have shed light on the heartbreaking reality of discrimination and violence while telling people’s compelling stories through a loving lens. Dehumanizing others causes us to lose our humanity. Do you have the courage to open your mind and remain hopeful for change? Key Points: 2:57 Deeyah’s purpose in filmmaking 12:56 Why the focus on dark, brutal topics? 17:57 When the unexpected becomes a lifesaver 21:51 Authenticity is healing 24:59 Dehumanizing others means dehumanizing yourself 29:20 On making “White Right” 38:51 Change is always possible 43:43 Extremism lures the broken 49:50 Learn to sit with the darkness 52:55 Love conquers all 59:46 One simple step creates the biggest impact 1:03:09 Dealing with a polarized world --------------- Deeyah Khan is a Norwegian multi-awarded documentary film director and human rights activist. Her debut film, Banaz: A Love Story (2012) won an Emmy and a Peabody. She is the founder and CEO of Fuuse, a leading documentary film and digital media company for broadcasters and live events. She is also the founder and editor-in-chief of Sister-Hood Magazine, spotlighting the diverse voices of women of Muslim heritage. She became the UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador for Artistic Freedom and Creativity in 2016. Website: deeyah.com Twitter: @Deeyah_Khan  Instagram: @deeyahkhan Facebook: facebook.com/Deeyah.deeyah --------------- Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose lifelong work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programs with more than 100,000 people worldwide, including online courses which he began offering in 2008. The origin of his work and more than two decades of study and practice on healing collective trauma is detailed in his book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram/Twitter: @thomashuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 pointofrelationpodcast.com