
Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl
Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
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Apr 22, 2025 • 53min
Debbie Levin | Green Media and Personal Environmentalism
Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin, CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues. Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfully leveraged celebrities’ platforms to spread awareness on crucial environmental issues and how the “Emma Green Seal” has influenced TV and movie productions to operate more sustainably. She and Thomas also explore the impact of the LA fires on both the entertainment industry and the larger climate change dialogue. This conversation covers a range of pressing environmental issues, but ultimately concludes on a note of hopefulness–that we all want our families and loved ones to be safe and healthy, and we can make a difference by starting from that common ground. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/mwrY4IqkiFE ✨ Join a free, live event - Resilient Presence: Cultivating Inner Strength & Connection In Challenging Times 📅 April 27, 2025 This free online gathering with Thomas is an opportunity to join a global community in practice and exploration, as we cultivate the inner resilience needed to meet life’s challenges with greater presence, clarity, and care. Sign up for free here: 👉 https://www.whole-beingwellness.com/free-event Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Debbie Levin is the CEO of the Environmental Media Association (EMA), where she has spent over two decades leveraging the power of entertainment to drive environmental change. Under her leadership, EMA has launched initiatives like the EMA Green Seal for sustainable productions and EMA IMPACT, establishing the organization as a leading voice in sustainability within the entertainment industry. Learn more about Debbie's work here: 👉 https://www.green4ema.org Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Apr 17, 2025 • 15min
BONUS: Humanity's Healing Orchestra
Thomas explores the qualities of leadership and collaboration that are needed to heal collective trauma. He shares how each of us plays a unique role—like musicians in an orchestra—contributing our distinct talents to a larger symphony of healing and transformation. Thomas addresses the impact of fear-based systems rooted in hierarchical power and advocates for shifting toward creative, relational models of leadership. He stresses the importance of self-reflection, community, and attuning to the self-healing mechanism of life as pathways to building a collective healing movement. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/UJ6d-l6y9Xc ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Apr 15, 2025 • 59min
Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Bold Frontiers of Spiritual Healing
Thomas Hübl sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author Bayo Akomolafe to explore the leading edges of spiritual thinking and human identity. Bayo is a deeply experimental thinker, informed by the African cosmologies of the Yoruba and Igbo traditions. He leads an exploration into a new paradigm of healing that de-centers the individual to focus on the village, on the communal. He and Thomas discuss how modernity, especially in Western cultures, creates a false dichotomy between spirituality and science, pathologizes behavior that should instead be integrated, and offers a reductive, motionless view of the self. Bayo offers a different perspective, one in which the self or the psyche is always moving in an interconnected dance with our lineages, with evolution, and with the mysteries of the material realm. Bayo also explores how modern spiritual models contribute to systems of oppression, stressing the importance of spaciousness, non-conformity, and relationality in spiritual thinking and practice. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/2jSTAWp6Wsc Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Bayo Akomolafe is a widely celebrated international speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, public intellectual, essayist, and author of books including These Wilds Beyond our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity’s Search for Home and We Will Tell our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak. Bayo is the founder of The Emergence Network and host of the online post-activist course, ‘We Will Dance with Mountains’. He currently lectures at Pacifica Graduate Institute, California, and the University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont. Connect with Bayo here: 👉 https://bayoakomolafe.net Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Apr 8, 2025 • 20min
Regulate to Resonate
Thomas explores the relationship between inner space and outer space, examining the ecosystemic impacts of nervous system regulation, presence, and maturity. He shares how contemplative practices, such as meditation, help develop the parts of our brain that promote regulation, the importance of developing a daily practice, and the maturity in knowing when to slow down and take a step back from stressful situations, news, and social media. Tune in to learn how our individual regulation and presence can “go viral”—creating a detoxifying effect that can help end harmful systemic patterns and promote healing on the individual, ancestral, and collective levels. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/wQc3dB8xXgA ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ NEW Live, Online Course - Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Apr 1, 2025 • 48min
Diane Musho Hamilton | Waking Up & Growing Up
In this engaging conversation, Diane Musho Hamilton, an award-winning mediator and Zen meditation teacher, delves into the concepts of 'waking up' and 'growing up' and their importance in today's world. She shares personal stories of resilience and discusses how emotional development and contemplative practices aid in navigating adversity. The dialogue touches on the significance of community, the nuances of conflict resolution, and how meditation can foster emotional regulation. Diane emphasizes the impact of trauma healing on societal growth and the interconnectedness of personal and collective evolution.

Mar 27, 2025 • 7min
Bonus Meditation: Mapping the Mind
In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to explore the current state of your mind. Explore your attachment to your thoughts and welcome a greater sense of presence and curiosity. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Q0Tty5OWpwI ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ NEW Live, Online Course - Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/ Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Mar 25, 2025 • 45min
Loretta J. Ross | Cultivating Collective Liberation
Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress. Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance. She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Calling In” – an accountability process that focuses on respect, engagement, and equal partnership, and how this is more effective than the adversarial “calling out” that we’re used to. Loretta explains how this practice can help social justice movements embrace diversity of thought and stop destructive in-fighting. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/T30HuFnQaHs ✨ NEW Live, Online Course - Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotions in this 4-week online course from Thomas Hübl’s authorized instructors, Martin Bruders and Susanne Ahlendorf. Learn meditations and techniques to calm the mind, ground the body, and find freedom in your emotional perception without judgment. Through guided practices and interactive sessions, you’ll strengthen your ability to listen for the essential wisdom within every experience. Open to beginners, long-time practitioners, and everything in between! Learn more & Register Here: 👉 https://thomashuebl.com/meditation-course/ Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Loretta J. Ross is a renowned activist, scholar, and pioneer of the 1970’s movement to end violence against women that laid the groundwork for the #MeToo movement. She founded the first U.S. center for creative human rights education and has deprogrammed hate group members, inspiring her upcoming book, Calling In the Calling Out Culture. She was inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame in 2023. Connect with Loretta here: 👉 https://lorettajross.com Read Loretta's newest book: Calling In: How to Start Making Change With Those You'd Rather Cancel 👉 https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Calling-In/Loretta-J-Ross/9781982190798 Take Loretta's E-Course: Calling In: Navigating Conversations and Cultivating Compassionate Connections 👉 https://speakoutinstitute.thinkific.com/courses/Calling-In-Navigating-Challenging-Conversations-and-Cultivating-Compassionate-Connections Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Mar 18, 2025 • 23min
The Spiritual Flow of Healing
Thomas dives deep into the relationship between spirituality and healing, exploring how maturing our relationship with the divine provides incredible resources on our journey of self-discovery and ethical development. This teaching expands on the core spiritual principle of grace, its relationship to forgiveness, and the importance of owning your choices and transgressions as you expand your consciousness and connection to spirit. Thomas explores how to regain connection to our spiritual essence after pain and trauma disrupt it. When crises put us out of synch, those broken parts allow light to come in, and new opportunities to emerge…if we’re open to them. Life wants to heal, and a strong spiritual practice can activate healing that ripples out into the collective. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/talGozg6_Ps ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl

Mar 11, 2025 • 43min
Dr. Lisa Miller | The Science of Spiritual Awakening
Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller, a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans’ innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives. According to Dr. Miller, we’re all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is hard science to back this up. She and Thomas discuss how connection with others can deepen our spiritual experiences and how important it is to align with life’s natural rhythms. They also explore how trauma can be a pathway to spiritual growth and awakening, and Dr. Miller offers a guided practice for experiencing transcendence and awakening to our spiritual awareness. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/QGullrqfGdc Take our listener survey! We'd love your feedback on which topics and guests are resonating with you and which ones you'd like to hear more about in the future: 👉 https://forms.gle/uoygyKMmHeUHeJFD9 ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Lisa Miller, Ph.D., is a clinical researcher, professor, speaker, and the New York Times bestselling author of The Spiritual Child and The Awakened Brain. She’s the founder and director of the Spirituality Mind Body Institute, the first Ivy League graduate program and research institute in spirituality and psychology, and editor of the Oxford University Press Handbook of Psychology and Spirituality. ✨ Connect with Dr. Miller here: 👉 https://www.lisamillerphd.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Mar 4, 2025 • 57min
Mathieu Lefevre | The Power of Connection to Bridge Divides
Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre, co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think. Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents’ views are, and offers insights on how to bridge these divides. Thomas and Mathieu examine the critical role of listening, intergroup contact, and shared spaces in fostering social cohesion. As climate change and other global challenges put increasing pressure on our collective resilience, we need new forms of collaboration and understanding so that we can move beyond toxic division and build a healthier, more connected society. Click here to watch the video version of this episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/sO1dyQrhcgY ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com Mathieu Lefevre is the Co-Founder and CEO of More in Common, a non-profit working to understand the forces driving us apart, find common ground, and bring people together to tackle shared challenges. He was previously a Co-Founder of Make.org, one of the largest civic tech companies in Europe, and led a think tank on the future of global cities. Mathieu also served as a Political Officer in the United Nations’ Department of Peacekeeping Operations. ✨ Connect with Mathieu here: 👉 https://www.moreincommon.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma. In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl ✨ Order Thomas Hübl’s new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com/ ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com
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