
The ECB Podcast
The European Central Bank Podcast – bringing you insights into the world of economics and central banking.
Our hosts Paul Gordon and Stefania Secola talk to experts about the topics and trends that matter to the eurozone economy today.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Latest episodes

Aug 16, 2021 • 22min
A walk around the central banking wildlife park!
Hawks, doves, owls, swans, bulls and bears … even ostriches. What connects these animals to central banking? How can they help us find our way around the world of economics and finance?
Our host Katie Ranger talks about these questions with communications advisor Gabriel Glöckler on The ECB Podcast.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 16 August 2021 and recorded on 29 June 2021.
In this episode:
1:40 – Why animal metaphors are used in central banking
How animal metaphors can help make central banking more accessible, what they mean and why they are used so often.
4:01 - Hawks, doves and owls in monetary policy
How these two animal metaphors are used to describe policymakers’ attitudes towards monetary policy, what it means to make a hawkish or a dovish comment, and where the owl comes in.
9:22 – Black swans, green swans and unexpected events
Which events can be qualified as black swans and what green swans are in the language of finance and economics.
14:47 – A bear market or a bull market
What’s behind the bull and bear statues outside the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, and how these two animal metaphors are used to describe what’s happening in financial markets.
18:38 – Our guest’s “hot tip” for our listeners
The Maradona Theory of Interest Rates: What footballer Diego Maradona has in common with interest rates.
Further reading:
Maradona Theory of Interest Rates
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/speech/2005/monetary-policy-practice-ahead-of-theory
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Jul 15, 2021 • 57min
A conversation about female empowerment, an inclusive recovery and transatlantic cooperation
How can we foster the economic empowerment of women after the coronavirus crisis? And what role does transatlantic cooperation play in shaping a more inclusive recovery?
Listen to ECB President Christine Lagarde, EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and US Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen talk about this and more in the latest episode of the ECB Podcast, hosted by Katie Ranger.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 15 July 2021 and recorded on 12 July 2021.
In this episode:
01:25 – Economic empowerment of women
Why economic empowerment of women is vital, where we stand in Europe and the United States on economic empowerment and gender equality, and what needs to be done to foster economic empowerment.
20:59 – Women amid the coronavirus crisis
How the coronavirus crisis has affected women and gender equality, how we can make the economic recovery inclusive and what’s being done to increase gender equality in the United States and Europe.
38:03 – The role of transatlantic cooperation
Why renewed transatlantic cooperation is needed to take on the challenges of today, how international cooperation on climate change is moving forward and paving the way for others to do their part, and how Europe and the United States can work together in the future.
51:56 – Our guests’ “hot tips” on female empowerment
What Christine Lagarde, Janet Yellen and Ursula von der Leyen recommend to learn more about female empowerment and gender equality.
Further reading:
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Jun 16, 2021 • 24min
Bicycles, bitcoin and zombie firms: financial stability in the wake of the third wave
What does financial stability have to do with cycling and zombies? How has the third wave of the pandemic affected the financial system? What risks lie ahead?
Our host Katie Ranger discusses these questions with our financial stability experts Tamarah Shakir and John Fell on The ECB Podcast.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 16 June 2021 and recorded on 1 June 2021.
In this episode:
00:58 – How the financial system has fared during the third wave
How the financial stability bicycle is doing, how stabilisers have helped to preserve financial stability, what the risks are that lie ahead during the recovery.
06:30 – Economic divergence across sectors and countries
Why countries and sectors were affected differently during the pandemic, why economic divergence is an issue for financial stability and why fiscal policy is best suited to address divergences between sectors and countries.
11:27 – Risk appetite in the markets and bitcoin
How markets and investors have behaved during the third wave of the pandemic, why investors’ risk appetite has increased over the last six months and why this is a concern for financial stability.
17:38 – Zombie firms and financial stability
What zombie firms are, why they could benefit from policy support measures during the pandemic, what zombie firms mean for financial stability.
21:18 – Must-watches and must-reads on financial stability
What our experts suggest as entertaining must-watches and must-reads to get started on financial stability.
Further reading:
Financial Stability Review
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

May 12, 2021 • 46min
Tackling climate change as a central bank: Between motivation, obligation and limitation
How can we as a central bank contribute to tackling climate change? What's our role as a central bank and supervisor?
Our new host Katie Ranger discusses these questions with Executive Board members Isabel Schnabel and Frank Elderson in this episode of The ECB Podcast.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 12 May 2021 and recorded on 7 May 2021.
In this episode:
01:14 – Where we stand in the fight against climate change
What motivates our guests Isabel Schnabel and Frank Elderson to be vocal in the fight against climate change, what has been achieved so far and where we need to go from here.
13:10 – Legal aspects and the price stability mandate
What our price stability mandate tells us about our commitment to tackling climate change, and what our obligations and limitations are.
20:41 – What monetary policy can do
How climate change affects our mandate to maintain price stability, how our asset purchases could become greener, and why this is easier said than done and what market neutrality has to do with it.
35:16 – What banking supervisors can do
Why banks play a key role in the transition towards a green economy, how supervisors support banks to manage climate risks, and why good data and thorough stress tests play a key role.
Further reading:
Christine Lagarde: Towards a green capital markets union for Europe
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2021/html/ecb.sp210506~4ec98730ee.en.html
Frank Elderson: All the way to zero: guiding banks towards a carbon-neutral Europe
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2021/html/ecb.sp210429~3f8606edca.en.html
Frank Elderson: Greening monetary policy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2021/html/ecb.blog210213~7e26af8606.en.html
Isabel Schnabel: From green neglect to green dominance?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2021/html/ecb.sp210303_1~f3df48854e.en.html
Isabel Schnabel: Never waste a crisis: COVID-19, climate change and monetary policy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2020/html/ecb.sp200717~1556b0f988.en.html
Isabel Schnabel: When markets fail – the need for collective action in tackling climate change
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2020/html/ecb.sp200928_1~268b0b672f.en.html
Luis de Guindos: Shining a light on climate risks: the ECB’s economy-wide climate stress test
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2021/html/ecb.blog210318~3bbc68ffc5.en.html
Climate change and the ECB
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/climate/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
European Banking Supervision
www.www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Mar 8, 2021 • 48min
Fighting biases and empowering women: A conversation on female leadership and gender equality
How can we empower women to aim high? ECB President Christine Lagarde and Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, talk about this and share their personal experiences as female leaders in the latest episode of The ECB Podcast hosted by Michael Steen.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 8 March 2021 and recorded on 4 March 2021.
In this episode:
01:44 – Female leadership
Why female leadership is important, why women are central to good and effective leadership during crisis times, why more gender parity is beneficial to all of us and how we can achieve it.
10:14 – Path to leadership
What the driving forces were on Christine Lagarde’s and Ursula von der Leyen’s paths to leadership, how they dealt with obstacles, what gave them confidence and to carry on, and what role childcare can have for women on their career paths.
26:15 – Fighting stereotypes and gender biases
How Christine Lagarde and Ursula von der Leyen were confronted with biases and stereotypes, how they dealt with those situations, and they came out stronger from difficult situations.
34:55 – Impact of the coronavirus crisis on gender equality
How the coronavirus crisis has disproportionally affected women, what the positive and negative effects of working remotely could be over the long-term, and what we can do for a better work-life balance for everyone.
41:55 – Goals for gender equality in the future
What their goals are for gender equality in the future, what advice they would give themselves to better deal with obstacles and hurdles and what they #ChooseToChallenge to encourage better gender equality.
Further reading:
Christine Lagarde: Choose to challenge women’s roles at home, at work and in our society
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2021/html/ecb.blog210308~e7a735f961.en.html
Harvard Business Review: Women are better leaders during a crisis
https://hbr.org/2020/12/research-women-are-better-leaders-during-a-crisis
Women in economics scholarship
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/careers/what-we-offer/wecs/html/index.en.html
Women@ECB
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/careers/why-we-value-diversity/women/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Feb 12, 2021 • 13min
How can banks be part of the solution? Supervisory priorities in crisis times
What are banking supervisors worried about for 2021? Why are “marriages” between banks a good idea? And how can supervisors help banks to be part of the solution during this crisis? Our host Michael Steen finds answers to these questions in The ECB Podcast.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 12 February 2021 and recorded on 9 February 2021.
In this episode:
01:19 – How the coronavirus crisis has affected banks
What the uncertainty during the pandemic has meant for banks, the main risks they are facing, and how banks can be part of the solution this time.
04:50 – How supervisors helped to ensure that bank lending continued during the crisis
What steps governments and regulators took to ensure that credit continued to flow, how those measures helped banks to fulfil their role as lenders and what the risks of those policies are.
06:32 – The supervisory priorities for 2021
A closer look at this year’s priorities: credit risk, capital strength, business model sustainability and governance are the areas that supervisors will look at in 2021.
Further reading:
Supervisory priorities 2021
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/banking/priorities/priorities/html/index.en.html
Introductory statement to the ECB banking supervision press conference
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2021/html/ssm.sp210128~78f262dd04.en.html
Overview: The ECB’s response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank website
www.ecb.europa.eu
Banking supervision website
www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Dec 18, 2020 • 22min
Building a bridge towards economic recovery
How will the coronavirus vaccine affect economic recovery in 2021? Where do we stand after nine months of fighting the crisis? And what is the role of the ECB’s monetary policy? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with our Chief Economist Philip R. Lane.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 18 December 2020 and recorded on 11 December 2020.
In this episode:
00:23 – What is the assessment of the economic response to the first wave?
What the experience was during the first wave, how policy makers have adapted to the new challenges, how monetary and fiscal policy worked hand in hand to mitigate the economic shortfall.
05:53 – How is the ECB building a bridge towards economic recovery?
Why the ECB recalibrated its monetary policy in December, what the economic forecasts say about the recovery, how the PEPP and TLTROs work to support economic recovery.
14:08 – What are the challenges that lie ahead in 2021?
What the basis for our economic projections is, what difficulties and hopes there are on the path to economic recovery.
19:58 – What else is on the ECB’s agenda?
What the strategy review is about, what exactly we’re looking at and how we’re listening to Europeans and gathering their input.
Further reading:
Overview: The ECB’s response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
Press release: ECB prolongs support via targeted lending operations for banks that lend to the real economy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr201210_1~e8e95af01c.en.html
Speech by Philip R. Lane: Monetary policy in a pandemic: ensuring favourable financing conditions
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2020/html/ecb.sp201126~c5c1036327.en.html
Macroeconomic projections
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/projections/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: pod.link/ecbpodcast15:

Nov 25, 2020 • 26min
A cyclist’s guide to financial stability amid a pandemic
What do cycling and financial stability have in common? How has the pandemic affected the financial system and the economy? What risks lie ahead? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions and more with economists John Fell and Tamarah Shakir, who analyse financial stability at the ECB.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 25 November 2020 and recorded on 13 November 2020.
In this episode:
00:46 – What is financial stability?
What financial stability is, what it has in common with cycling, financial instability during the global financial crisis.
05:59 – How has the pandemic affected financial stability?
How the coronavirus crisis affected financial stability in March, how the reaction by EU and national policymakers prevented a financial crisis and why financial stability could largely be preserved.
12:05 – How has the coronavirus crisis affected businesses?
What the measures taken to protect businesses and households are, how the measures have worked and helped to preserve financial stability.
17:26 – What are the challenges that lie ahead?
What the risks for businesses, households and the financial system are, what we need to look out for in the future and what is being done to prevent the risks from materialising.
Further reading:
Financial Stability Review, November 2020
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/html/ecb.fsr202011~b7be9ae1f1.en.html
Special Feature by John Fell and Garry Schinasi in the Financial Stability Review, June 2005, pp. 117-125
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/fsr/financialstabilityreview200506en.pdf
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
You can also listen to The ECB Podcast on SoundCloud, Spotify, Deezer, Stitcher, YouTube, Amazon Music and many more: https://pod.link/ecbpodcast

Nov 6, 2020 • 24min
Is it time for a digital euro?
What is a digital euro? What would its benefits be and how would it affect the way we make payments? When could it be ready?
Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions and more with Ulrich Bindseil, who is responsible for market infrastructures and payments at the ECB.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 6 November 2020 and recorded on 26 October 2020.
In this episode:
01:10 – What is money?
What money is, what the differences between central bank money and commercial bank money are, and where a digital euro comes in.
05:23 – The development of digital payments and the benefits of a digital euro.
How digital payments have developed over the last few years, what different kinds of digital payments already exist and how they differ, and what the benefits of a digital euro might be.
12:12 – The impact on digital payments and design options
How I will be able to pay in the future? What could a digital euro technically look like.
18:17 – The way forward and next steps
When a digital euro will be ready and how and why to have your say on its design.
Further reading:
Report on a digital euro
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/other/Report_on_a_digital_euro~4d7268b458.en.pdf
Public consultation on a digital euro
https://epsilon.escb.eu/limesurvey3/434111?lang=en
Tiered CBDC and the financial system
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecb.wp2351~c8c18bbd60.en.pdf
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html

Sep 29, 2020 • 19min
Virtually everywhere? Digitalisation and jobs in the euro area (Part 2)
How is AI changing what we do? What does a job in the platform economy look like? How will the coronavirus pandemic affect the way we work? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions and more with economists Robert Anderton and Lara Vivian.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 29 September 2020 and recorded on 13 August 2020.
In this episode:
01:04 – Digitalisation and job polarisation
How digitalisation is changing our roles and how job polarisation is affecting different euro area countries.
04:47 – Zooming in on artificial intelligence
What the impact of AI is on jobs, what it means for the future of the job market and how AI is affecting different sectors.
06:57 – The platform economy
What the characteristics of the platform economy are, how it has increased in size over the past years and possible policy implications.
14:25 – Labour markets after coronavirus- the new normal?
How the pandemic could result in a permanent acceleration and take-up of digitalisation. Why this can pose challenges and provide new opportunities.
Further reading:
Virtually everywhere? Digitalisation and the euro area and EU economies
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op244~2acc4f0b4e.en.pdf
Digitalisation and its impact on the economy: insights from a survey of large companies
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-bulletin/focus/2018/html/ecb.ebbox201807_04.en.html
Study to monitor the economic development of the collaborative economy at sector level in the 28 EU Member States
https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/0cc9aab6-7501-11e8-9483-01aa75ed71a1
New evidence on platform workers in Europe
https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/en/publication/eur-scientific-and-technical-research-reports/new-evidence-platform-workers-europe
Hours of work polarisation?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecb.wp2324~3a8fca82b4.en.pdf
European Central Bank
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html