
The ECB Podcast
The European Central Bank Podcast – bringing you insights into the world of economics and central banking.
Our hosts Paul Gordon and Stefania Secola talk to experts about the topics and trends that matter to the eurozone economy today.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Latest episodes

Sep 2, 2020 • 18min
Virtually everywhere? Digitalisation and jobs in the euro area (Part 1)
How does the increased use of digital technologies change the way we work? Is the fear of automation taking away our jobs justified? Or do our tasks and skills evolve to meet the new conditions? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions and more with economists Valerie Jarvis and Robert Anderton in this episode.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 2 September 2020 and recorded on 13 August 2020.
In this episode:
01:11 – Digitalisation: what it is and its presence across the euro area
How to measure digitalisation, how it affects our economies and what explains the differences in digitalisation levels across euro area countries.
05:24 – Digitalisation and labour markets
What is the impact of digital technologies on labour markets, how robots are affecting the way we work and the important role of institutions and governance in reaping the benefits of digitalisation.
09:27 – Digitalisation and employment growth
Why machines are not replacing humans and how the digital revolution can bring about large improvements in productivity and living standards.
12:40 – Zooming in on digital jobs
How the proportions of digitally dependent employment differ across Europe, why the role of each country’s characteristics is important and why countries with higher digital employment growth are also those with lower unemployment.
Further reading:
Virtually everywhere? Digitalisation and the euro area and EU economies
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op244~2acc4f0b4e.en.pdf
Digitalisation and its impact on the economy: insights from a survey of large companies
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-bulletin/focus/2018/html/ecb.ebbox201807_04.en.html
European Central Bank
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html

Jun 10, 2020 • 20min
Banks in the coronavirus crisis
What challenges does the coronavirus pandemic pose for banks? And what role can they play in helping the real economy deal with the crisis? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions and more with ECB Supervisory Board Chair Andrea Enria in this episode.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 10 June 2020 and recorded on 29 May 2020.
In this episode:
(02:38) Coronavirus and the banks
How the pandemic is posing challenges for banks, their response to the crisis and what banks can do to support the economy by lending to people and businesses.
(07:42) The ECB’s measures to boost lending
How the ECB has supported bank lending in the euro area.
(11:25) The advantages of supervision at European level
How European supervision enabled banks to enter this crisis in a much stronger position than in 2008, and how it has allowed for a unified and fast response to increase the safety of banks.
(14:57) The coronavirus and digitalisation in the banking sector
The opportunities for banks that come with digitalisation and how to mitigate the new risks increased digitalisation introduces.
Further reading:
The ECB’s response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
Supervision.Explained.: Why do banks need to hold capital?
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/about/ssmexplained/html/hold_capital.en.html
Press release: ECB Banking Supervision provides temporary relief from capital requirements for market risk
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ssm.pr200416~ecf270bca8.en.html
Press release: ECB asks banks not to pay dividends until at least October 2020
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ssm.pr200327~d4d8f81a53.en.html
Banking supervision website
http://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/

May 25, 2020 • 21min
Coronavirus: zooming in on financial markets
What is the role of financial markets in the economy? How does the coronavirus pandemic affect markets? Is the current crisis also a financial crisis? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with ECB Executive Board member Isabel Schnabel.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 25 May 2020 and recorded on 15 May 2020.
In this episode:
(01:57) The role of financial markets in the economy
How they act as intermediaries between savers and borrowers, how they react in case of a shock and why their stability is key to ensuring a well-functioning economy.
(05:14) The coronavirus and financial markets
How financial markets have responded to the coronavirus shock and why this is different from the 2008 financial crisis.
(10:26) The ECB’s measures to ease lending
How our targeted lending measures aim to help people and businesses, the particular role of the Pandemic Emergency Purchase Programme and how the ECB works with other central banks to keep financial systems working smoothly.
(17:03) International cooperation in times of crisis: swap lines
How swap lines between central banks work and how these agreements help keep financial systems around the world working smoothly.
Further reading:
The ECB’s response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
Explainer: Tell me more: What are currency swap lines?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me-more/html/currency_swap_lines.en.html
European Central Bank website
www.ecb.europa.eu

May 18, 2020 • 23min
Coronavirus: from health crisis to economic crisis
How is the coronavirus pandemic affecting the economy? Which sectors have been hit hardest? What is the ECB doing to limit the economic impact of the crisis? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with ECB Chief Economist Philip R. Lane.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 18 May 2020; recorded on 11 May 2020.
In this episode:
(02:30) Coronavirus and the economy
The economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, the characteristics of the shock on the supply and demand sides and which sectors have been hit the hardest by the crisis.
(08:11) Coronavirus and the policy response
The need to address the dramatic downturn in the economy that is threatening price stability, how we are supporting households and firms and why fiscal policy has to play a central role.
(15:18) The risk of falling prices and targeted lending
How the pandemic pushes prices down in the short and medium-term and how our targeted measures incentivise banks to continue lending to small and medium-sized businesses and households in these uncertain times.
The ECB’s response to the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/search/coronavirus/html/index.en.html
Philip R. Lane: Interview with the Telegraaf
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/inter/date/2020/html/ecb.in200512~13fcf73079.en.html
Philip R. Lane: The monetary policy response to the pandemic emergency
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200501~a2d8f514a0.en.html
ECB announces new pandemic emergency longer-term refinancing operations
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200430_1~477f400e39.en.html
ECB recalibrates targeted lending operations to further support real economy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200430~fa46f38486.en.html
Luis de Guindos, Isabel Schnabel: Improving funding conditions for the real economy during the COVID-19 crisis: the ECB’s collateral easing measures
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200422~244d933f86.en.html
Fabio Panetta: Why we all need a joint European fiscal response
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/inter/date/2020/html/ecb.in200421~a7f2ec5159.en.html
Christine Lagarde: How the ECB is helping firms and households
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200409~3aa2815720.en.html
Luis de Guindos, Isabel Schnabel: The ECB’s commercial paper purchases: A targeted response to the economic disturbances caused by COVID-19
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200403~54ecc5988b.en.html
Christine Lagarde: Our response to the coronavirus emergency
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200319~11f421e25e.en.html
ECB announces €750 billion Pandemic Emergency Purchase Programme (PEPP)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200318_1~3949d6f266.en.html
ECB statement
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200318~152e1c740f.en.html
Philip R. Lane: The Monetary Policy Package: An Analytical Framework
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2020/html/ecb.blog200313~9e783ea567.en.html
ECB announces easing of conditions for targeted longer-term refinancing operations (TLTRO III)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200312_1~39db50b717.en.html
ECB announces measures to support bank liquidity conditions and money market activity
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2020/html/ecb.pr200312_2~06c32dabd1.en.html
European Central Bank website
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Mar 3, 2020 • 32min
Climate change and the role of central banks
How does climate change affect financial stability? Why isn’t the ECB buying more green bonds? How can banks better prepare for climate-related risks? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with expert guests Fatima Pires, Madelaine Roos and Patrick Amis.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 3 March 2020; recorded on 5, 6 and 13 February 2020.
In this episode:
(02:08) Climate change and financial stability
The risks emerging from climate change (physical and transition risks), their effects on financial stability, how stress tests help spot these risks and why international cooperation is key.
(13:22) Climate change and the green market
Why we don’t just buy more green bonds, how a taxonomy can help identify green assets and what the ECB is doing to make its own funds more sustainable.
(20:47) Climate change and banks
The role of banks in the shift to a more sustainable economy, how supervisors can help banks prepare for risks stemming from climate change and why transparency is important to better understand climate risks.
Climate change and the ECB
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/orga/climate/html/index.en.html
Speech (27 February 2020): C Lagarde, President of the ECB: Climate change and the financial sector
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2020/html/ecb.sp200227_1~5eac0ce39a.en.html
Research Bulletin: Finance and decarbonisation: why equity markets do it better
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-research/resbull/2019/html/ecb.rb191127~79fa1d3b70.en.html
Working Paper: Finance and carbon emissions
\https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecb.wp2318~44719344e8.en.pdf
Financial Stability Review: Climate change and financial stability
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/special/html/ecb.fsrart201905_1~47cf778cc1.en.html
Working Paper: The Green Golden Rule: habit and anticipation of future consumption
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecb.wp2247~72dc51ddd8.en.pdf
Economic Bulletin: Purchases of green bonds under the Eurosystem’s asset purchase programme
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-bulletin/focus/2018/html/ecb.ebbox201807_01.en.html
Working Paper: The impact of disasters on inflation
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpwps/ecbwp1982.en.pdf
Speech (2018): B Cœuré, Member of the Executive Board of the ECB: Monetary policy and climate change
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2018/html/ecb.sp181108.en.html
ECB Press Conference Q&A (23 January 2020)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/2020/html/ecb.is200123~0bc778277b.en.html
European Central Bank website
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html

Jan 21, 2020 • 34min
Supervising banks: profits, transparency and Brexit
Why do we need banking supervision at the European level? Should a bank be allowed to fail? What does a normal day look like for a supervisor? What are the supervisory challenges posed by Brexit? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with expert guests Andrea Enria, Pien van Erp Taalman Kip and Linette Field.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 21 January 2020 and recorded on 6 December 2019.
In this episode:
(01:03) A safe and sound banking sector
Why do we need banking supervision at the European level, why should banks be allowed to fail and why is transparency towards private investors a priority in a bail-in world?
(12:13) A day in the life of a supervisor
What does a banking supervisor do, what are Joint Supervisory Teams and why can’t supervisors be of the same nationality as the bank they supervise?
(20:43) Challenges for banks: profitability, cybersecurity and Brexit
Why is it important that supervisors understand the risks banks face, why do they care about banks’ profits and what are the challenges posed by Brexit?
Further reading:
Explainer: SSM explained in 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC_2N0Y20qQ
Webpage: Relocating to the euro area
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/banking/relocating/html/index.en.html
Supervision Newsletter: Brexit: operational risk increases when banks delay action
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/publications/newsletter/2019/html/ssm.nl191113_2.en.html
Supervision Newsletter: Brexit: stepping up preparations
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/publications/newsletter/2019/html/ssm.nl190814.en.html
Speech: A Enria, Chair of the ECB’s Supervisory Board: Supervising banks – Principles and priorities
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2019/html/ssm.sp190307~28d206eae5.en.html
Speech: A Enria, Chair of the ECB’s Supervisory Board: The banking union – a personal view on its past, present and future
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2019/html/ssm.sp191030~a66780e0a5.en.html
Speech: A Enria, Chair of the ECB’s Supervisory Board: Is less more? Profitability and consolidation in the European banking sector
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2019/html/ssm.sp190704~1f442782ac.en.pdf?2773aa57fc4093122a0effc8247b6a8b
Speech: A Enria, Chair of the ECB’s Supervisory Board: A binary future? How digitalisation might change banking
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2019/html/ssm.sp190311~2af7fb032e.en.html
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Nov 29, 2019 • 26min
The euro: a tale of two decades
What was it like when the euro was launched in 1999? Where will the euro be in another 20 years? Is there a link between support for the euro and trust in the ECB? Our host Michael Steen discusses these questions with expert guests Erkki Liikanen, Martin Wolf and Siria Angino.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 28 November 2019 and recorded on 5 September, 23 October and 25 October 2019.
Further reading
Webpage: The euro at 20
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/html/index.en.html
Quiz: The euro at 20
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/euro/html/quiz.en.html
Explainer: How do you benefit from the euro
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me/html/benefits-euro-euroat20.en.html
Explainer: How does the euro help Europeans do business?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsxPlyzmkqU&feature=youtu.be
Explainer: How have Europeans benefited from the euro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeXDwUsz57o&feature=youtu.be
Speech: 20th anniversary of the euro
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2019/html/ecb.sp190115.en.html
Speech: Past and future of the ECB monetary policy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2018/html/ecb.sp180504.en.html
Speech: The future of the euro area economy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2019/html/ecb.sp191122~0c1f115db0.en.html
Did you know?: More fact about the euro
https://europa.eu/euroat20/the-euro-in-numbers/
Webpage: the banking union
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/about/bankingunion/html/index.en.html
Fourth ECB Annual Research Conference
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/conferences/html/20190905_4th_ecb_annual_research_conference.en.html
Speeches on the capital markets union
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/search/html/capital_markets_union.en.html
European Central Bank website
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Oct 31, 2019 • 29min
Inflation: on porridge, prices and the new normal
What do porridge and prices have in common? How do music and video streaming affect inflation? And is low inflation the new normal? Our host Michael Steen discusses with guests Christiane Nickel, Frank Smets, and ECB Chief Economist Philip R. Lane.
In this episode:
(00:45)
Keeping prices stable
Why should prices go up, what is the link between wages and prices, and how does working towards our inflation target help to stabilise the economy?
(12:07)
The new normal
How are changes in price measured, what factors drive inflation, and how do globalisation, demographics and e-commerce affect inflation?
(23:20)
Forecasting inflation
Why do central banks need to provide accurate forecasts, how are these forecasts produced, and why can this process be challenging?
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 31 October 2019 and recorded on 10 and 14 October 2019.
Further reading
Explainer: Why are stable prices important?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me-more/html/stableprices.en.html
Conference: Inflation in a changing economic environment
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/conferences/html/20190923_inflation_conference.en.html
Speech: Monetary policy and below-target inflation
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2019/html/ecb.sp190701~0c1fa3c8fc.en.html
Research: Low inflation in the euro area: causes and consequences
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecbop181.en.pdf
Research: Expert group studying the causes of low inflation (LIFT)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-research/research-networks/html/researcher_lift.en.html
Research: The impact of global value chains on the euro area economy
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op221~38185e6936.en.pdf
Publication: Macroeconomic projections
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/projections/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank website
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Sep 30, 2019 • 27min
Innovation in payments: Libra, blockchain and crypto-assets
The implications of crypto-assets, emerging payment technologies and Facebook’s plans to create a global digital currency, Libra – discussed by our host, Michael Steen, and guests, Dirk Bullmann, Maria Teresa Chimienti, and ECB Executive Board member Benoît Cœuré.
Recorded on 6 and 9 September 2019.
In this episode:
(01:03) Benoît Cœuré
The big picture: what is money, why is there a demand for digital currencies and what is the role of central banks in this field?
(11:47) Maria Teresa Chimienti
Getting technical: what are crypto-assets, what makes Facebook’s Libra different, and why is it important for central banks to research these phenomena?
(17:32) Dirk Bullmann
Talking innovation: what is blockchain and DLT, why are they so fascinating and how does innovation at the ECB help make payments instant?
Further reading:
Explainer: What is money?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me-more/html/what_is_money.en.html
Explainer: What is bitcoin?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me/html/what-is-bitcoin.en.html
Explainer: How could new technology transform financial markets?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/explainers/tell-me-more/html/distributed_ledger_technology.en.html
Research – special feature: Distributed Ledger Technology (e.g. blockchain)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/annual/special-features/2016/html/index.en.html
Research – Occasional Paper: Crypto-Assets: Implications for financial stability, monetary policy, and payments and market infrastructures
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op223~3ce14e986c.en.pdf
Research – Economic Bulletin Article: Understanding the crypto-asset phenomenon, its risks and measurement issues
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-bulletin/articles/2019/html/ecb.ebart201905_03~c83aeaa44c.en.html
European Central Bank website
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.