
The ECB Podcast
The European Central Bank Podcast – bringing you insights into the world of economics and central banking.
Our hosts Paul Gordon and Stefania Secola talk to experts about the topics and trends that matter to the eurozone economy today.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Latest episodes

Dec 9, 2023 • 22min
The end of an era – five years with Andrea Enria
Outgoing Supervisory Board Chair Andrea Enria sat down with President Christine Lagarde during the ECB Forum on Banking Supervision to look back on his five-year term, marked by challenges such as the pandemic and reflects on the most difficult decision he had to take.
He also reflects on the decisions taken to overcome these challenges, and what the future holds for European banking supervision.
Recorded on 1 December 2023 and published on 9 December 2023.
Additional material:
President Christine Lagarde’s welcome address at the fifth ECB Forum on Banking Supervision
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2023/html/ecb.sp231130~48f5947179.en.html
ECB Forum on Banking Supervision
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/conferences/html/20231130_5th_ECB_Forum_Banking_supervision.en.html
European Banking Supervision
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank www.ecb.europa.eu

Dec 2, 2023 • 21min
When the yin meets the yang: resilience in gloomy times
How are financial markets reacting to higher rates, a sluggish economy and geopolitical tensions? Should we worry about property markets?
Our host Stefania Secola puts these questions to financial stability expert John Fell on The ECB Podcast.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 2 December 2023 and recorded on 27 November 2023.
In this episode:
01:08 – Financial markets’ optimism is put to the test
How are financial markets reacting to the new environment of high interest rates, a sluggish economy and rising geopolitical tensions?
06:00 – The conundrum of banks’ increasing profits and stagnant valuations
Banks’ profits are at multi-year highs, yet their valuations haven’t changed much. What factors explain this?
10:31 – Real estate markets are a source of concern
Residential and commercial property markets are feeling the impact of higher interest rates. What are the implications for banks and financial stability?
16:06 – The yin and the yang of financial stability
As the credit cycle turns, and with several vulnerabilities unravelling, can resilience compensate?
18:22 – Conclusion
Additional material:
Financial Stability Review, November 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/html/index.en.html
FSR Box 5 on Euro area bank fundamentals, valuations and cost of equity
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/html/ecb.fsr202311~bfe9d7c565.en.html#toc27
Special feature B on Real estate markets in an environment of high financing costs
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/financial-stability/fsr/html/ecb.fsr202311~bfe9d7c565.en.html#toc40
The ECB Podcast: Financial stability and bank runs, June 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod230607_episode60.en.html
European Central Bank www.ecb.europa.eu

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Nov 25, 2023 • 21min
What biodiversity and nature loss mean for our economy
Nature is in danger. This affects us all, including businesses and banks. Why is this relevant for the ECB’s mandate?
Join our host Stefania Secola and her guest Frank Elderson, Executive Board member and Supervisory Board Vice-Chair, as they discuss nature loss, its impact on our economy and what we’re doing about it.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 25 November 2023 and recorded on 17 November 2023.
In this episode:
00:05 – Nature is in danger
Habitats and species are in decline. How does this affect our economies? And if our mandate is to maintain price stability and keep euro area banks safe and sound, why does the ECB care about biodiversity loss?
02:01 – The economic impact of biodiversity loss
How big is the impact of biodiversity loss on people and businesses? How much are banks, and the wider economy, affected? And what’s the ECB’s role in this?
08:38 – What’s the ECB doing about nature loss?
Knowledge is the first step. Quantifying the impact that nature loss has on our economies and banks is important. But what can the ECB do with these findings?
15:51 – Are banks doing enough?
We’ve asked banks to come up with action plans to assess their climate and environmental risks. But they need to make more progress.
17:45 – Our guest’s hot tip
Executive Board member and Supervisory Board Vice-Chair, Frank Elderson, shares his hot tip with our listeners.
Additional material:
Occasional Paper: Living in a world of disappearing nature: physical risk and the implications for financial stability
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op333~1b97e436be.en.pdf?90e7aaae4ef927f887a787587a22adba
The ECB Blog by Frank Elderson: The economy and banks need nature to survive
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2023/html/ecb.blog230608~5cffb7c349.en.html
The ECB Podcast: Are banks walking the talk on climate?
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod221102_episode44.en.html
The ECB Podcast: Being transparent about climate risks
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod230513_episode58.en.html
“Addressing tipping points for a precarious future” by Timothy O’Riordan and Timothy Lenton
European Central Bank
http://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Oct 26, 2023 • 14min
President Lagarde presents the latest monetary policy decisions – 26 October 2023
President Lagarde discusses monetary policy decisions, the state of the euro-area economy, inflation expectations, risk assessment, and financial conditions. The governing council keeps interest rates unchanged to address inflation and emphasizes a data-dependent approach.

Oct 24, 2023 • 17min
The digital euro, demystified
Will we soon pay with a digital euro? Would it replace cash? And who is it for? Although no decision has been made on issuance, we are preparing for a possible digital euro. This is fuelling a lot of interest − and quite a few misconceptions.
Join our host Stefania Secola and her guest Evelien Witlox, head of the ECB’s digital euro project, as they set the record straight by busting some myths on the topic.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 24 October 2023 and recorded on 19 October 2023.
In this episode:
00:20 – Digitalisation in payments
The world is becoming increasingly digital, and the way we pay is no exception. To ensure our euro is future-proof, the ECB has decided to proceed with a digital euro preparation phase.
01:28 – The project moves ahead
What does the decision to move to the next phase mean? Will we soon be able to pay with a digital euro?
04:01 – The need for a digital euro
I can already pay digitally with my bank card, my phone or even my watch. What’s the difference between doing this and paying with a digital euro?
06:25 – Digital euro and cash
What about euro cash? Will a digital euro replace banknotes and coins?
09:35 – Who will use it?
Is a digital euro only for young people in big cities? Will it exclude people who don’t have a phone?
10:34 – Data and the digital euro
Will the ECB collect personal data when you pay with the digital euro and if so, for what purpose?
12:51 – The project team
Who’s involved in the digital euro project? Is the ECB doing all this alone?
15:20 – Our guest’s hot tip
Additional material:
Press release: Eurosystem proceeds to next phase of digital euro project
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2023/html/ecb.pr231018~111a014ae7.en.html
Digital euro hub page
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/digital_euro/html/index.en.html
Webpage: Why do we need a digital euro
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/paym/digital_euro/why-we-need-it/html/index.en.html
The ECB Podcast: A digital euro: what, why, when? (part 1)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod221015_episode41.en.html
The ECB Podcast: A digital euro: what, why, when? (part 2)
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod221019_episode42.en.html'
European Central Bank
http://www.ecb.europa.eu/

Sep 28, 2023 • 18min
How tech is shaping banking supervision
How can new technologies improve banking supervision? What challenges do they bring for supervisors? And how will artificial intelligence make Europe’s banks safer?
Our new host Stefania Secola explores this topic with Supervisory Board member Elizabeth McCaul.
A warm welcome to Stefania and a big thanks for standing in for Katie Ranger, who is away for a while.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 28 September 2023 and recorded on 22 September 2023.
In this episode:
01:25 – Digitalisation in banking supervision
How are technological changes affecting supervision? What kinds of supervisory technology – also known as suptech – are we using? And will robots end up supervising banks?
5:07 – Using suptech to sort data
How do supervisors use technology to analyse big amounts of data? Why is this important? And how does this help bank customers?
10:20 – Artificial intelligence (AI)
How do we use technology to make sure banks are run by the right people? Is human judgment still important when using artificial intelligence?
12:07 – The people behind new technologies
How do different supervisory teams cooperate? And how does technology help fight financial crime?
15:15 – Our guest’s hot tip
Supervisory Board member, Elizabeth McCaul, shares her hot tips with our listeners.
Additional material:
Technology, data and innovation – shaping the future of supervision. Keynote speech by Elizabeth McCaul
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/speeches/date/2023/html/ssm.sp230920_1~9315562707.en.html
Supervision Newsletter – Digital transformation requires strong governance and steering
https://www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/publications/newsletter/2023/html/ssm.nl230517_3.en.html
The ECB Podcast: Let's get digital on inflation, climate and the euro
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod220811_episode39.en.html
The ECB Blog by Myriam Moufakkir: Machines help to crunch the numbers, 28 September 2023
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/blog/date/2023/html/ecb.blog230928~3f76d57cce.en.html
European Central Bank
www.ecb.europa.eu
European Banking Supervision
www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu

Sep 14, 2023 • 15min
President Lagarde presents the latest monetary policy decisions – 14 September 2023
Today our Governing Council decided on monetary policy, determining what’s needed to achieve stable prices in the euro area.
Listen to President Christine Lagarde present today’s decisions.
The statement also covers:
- how the economy is performing
- how we expect prices to develop
- the risks to the economic outlook
- the dynamics behind financial and monetary conditions
Published and recorded during our press conference on 14 September 2023.
Additional material:
Our monetary policy statement at a glance, 14 September 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/visual-mps/2023/html/mopo_statement_explained_september.en.html
Christine Lagarde, Luis de Guindos: Monetary policy statement, 14 September 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/2023/html/ecb.is230914~686786984a.en.html
Monetary policy decisions, 14 September 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2023/html/ecb.mp230914~aab39f8c21.en.html
Combined monetary policy decisions and statement, 14 September 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/shared/pdf/ecb.ds230914~bfc89c4456.en.pdf
Macroeconomic projections, 14 September 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/projections/html/index.en.html
European Central Bank
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/home/html/index.en.html
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Aug 18, 2023 • 19min
The ECB Podcast Summer School #3: the role of banks in fighting inflation
Banks' role in monetary policy decisions, pass-on of interest rate hikes, impact on loans and savings, effects on the real economy, outlook for European economy and managing demand explored by ECB Chief Economist and host Katie Ranger in the final episode of the Summer School mini-series.

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Aug 11, 2023 • 16min
The ECB Podcast Summer School #2: the nuts and bolts of interest rates
We’ve been raising interest rates to bring down inflation. How does that work? Are we already seeing the impact on prices? And is this the end of super-low rates?
Our host Katie Ranger puts these questions to Chief Economist Philip R. Lane in the second episode of our Summer School mini-series.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 11 August 2023 and recorded on 27 July 2023.
Additional material [pls add this as a headline on soundcloud too]
The ECB Podcast Summer School #1: a deep dive into inflation https://soundcloud.com/europeancentralbank/the-ecb-podcast-summer-school-a-deep-dive-into-inflation
The ECB Podcast: are wages and greedflation really pushing up prices? June 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod230623_episode62.en.html
Our monetary policy statement at a glance – July 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/visual-mps/2023/html/mopo_statement_explained_july.en.html
European Central Bank www.ecb.europa.eu

Aug 4, 2023 • 16min
The ECB Podcast Summer School #1: a deep dive into inflation
Inflation is falling, but it’s still higher than we want it to be. What’s making it hard to tackle? And what will determine how prices and wages develop?
Our host Katie Ranger gets to the bottom of this with our Chief Economist Philip R. Lane in our new Summer School mini-series.
The views expressed are those of the speakers and not necessarily those of the European Central Bank.
Published on 4 August 2023 and recorded on 27 July 2023.
Additional material
Consumer Expectations Survey https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/ecb_surveys/consumer_exp_survey/html/index.en.html
Economic Bulletin: Underlying inflation measures: an analytical guide for the euro area https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/economic-bulletin/focus/2023/html/ecb.ebbox202305_05~84e89bcb5d.en.html
The ECB Podcast: are wages and greedflation really pushing up prices? June 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/tvservices/podcast/html/ecb.pod230623_episode62.en.html
Our monetary policy statement at a glance – July 2023 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/pressconf/visual-mps/2023/html/mopo_statement_explained_july.en.html
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