
The Counsel
Join a team of experts — from former prosecutors to legal scholars — as they break down the complex legal issues shaping our country today. Twice a week, Elie Honig and other CAFE Contributors examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. Twice a week, a CAFE contributor – Joyce Vance, Barbara McQuade, Asha Rangappa, Rachel Barkow, and Elie Honig – will examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. New episodes out Wednesdays and Fridays. From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Latest episodes

Apr 7, 2021 • 12min
The Investigation of Matt Gaetz
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the series of allegations against Florida Republican Congressman Matt Gaetz—including for sex trafficking, extortion, transportation of a minor, and prostitution.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-investigation-of-matt-gaetz/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Noa Azulai, Jake Kaplan.
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Apr 5, 2021 • 13min
Chauvin Trial Continues
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the long first week in the trial of Derek Chauvin, from the effectiveness of the witnesses to the strength of the prosecution’s arguments. He also looks ahead to the focus of week two: the defense.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/chauvin-trial-continues/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 2, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: Chauvin Trial - The Arguments
In this sample from the Third Degree podcast, Elie Honig and NYU Law student Safeena Mecklai assess the strength of the defense’s arguments in the trial of Derek Chauvin.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. To sign up for CAFE Insider and gain access to the CAFE Insider podcast and exclusive notes from contributors (including Elie himself), head to cafe.com/insider.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton.
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Mar 30, 2021 • 12min
The Battle Over Voting
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the new Georgia law restricting voting rights and the possibility of H.R.1 — the sweeping piece of federal voting rights legislation — getting through the Senate.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-battle-over-voting/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 29, 2021 • 15min
Chauvin Trial Begins
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig breaks down what to expect in the trial of Derek Chauvin, including the composition of the jury, the charges, and the likely arguments from both the prosecution and defense.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/chauvin-trial-begins/
To become a member of CAFE Insider, head to cafe.com/insider and use the code: DEGREE.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton
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Mar 26, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: Prosecuting Sedition
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig is joined by Harvard Law student and former Trump administration speechwriter Eli Nachmany to discuss the conduct of former DC Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin and the potential for sedition charges against the Capitol insurrectionists. Plus, Elie tells stories from the legal trenches of his former office, the Southern District of New York.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider.
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/prosecuting-sedition/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Noa Azulai, Jake Kaplan.
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Mar 24, 2021 • 10min
Prosecuting Hate Crimes
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig assesses the likelihood that hate crime charges will be brought against the shooter who killed eight people, including six Asian women, last week in Atlanta.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/prosecuting-hate-crimes/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Mar 22, 2021 • 13min
Merrick Garland’s First Test
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig breaks down the DOJ’s prosecution of the insurrectionists who attacked the Capitol on January 6th.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/merrick-garlands-first-test/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton.
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Mar 19, 2021 • 8min
Third Degree Sample: How To Strike a Juror
In this sample from the Third Degree podcast, Elie Honig and Alabama Law student Kyra Perkins discuss the technicalities of the jury selection process, including the “Batson challenge.”
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. To sign up for CAFE Insider and gain access to the CAFE Insider podcast and exclusive notes from contributors (including Elie himself), head to cafe.com/insider.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan.
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Mar 17, 2021 • 13min
Can The Chauvin Jury Be Impartial?
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the latest in the trial of Derek Chauvin, including the impact of the historic $27 million settlement between the city of Minneapolis and George Floyd’s family. Elie also breaks down the makeup and demographics of the jury at this stage in the selection process.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/can-the-chauvin-jury-be-impartial/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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