
The Counsel
Join a team of experts — from former prosecutors to legal scholars — as they break down the complex legal issues shaping our country today. Twice a week, Elie Honig and other CAFE Contributors examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. Twice a week, a CAFE contributor – Joyce Vance, Barbara McQuade, Asha Rangappa, Rachel Barkow, and Elie Honig – will examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. New episodes out Wednesdays and Fridays. From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Latest episodes

Apr 30, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: Policing & Systemic Change
In this sample from Third Degree, Alabama Law student Kyra Perkins discusses her reaction to the guilty verdict in the Chauvin case, and the effectiveness of federal pattern or practice investigations into city police departments.Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider. Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree. Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Apr 28, 2021 • 13min
Prosecuting the Insurrection
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig calls on DOJ leadership to aggressively pursue charges against the individuals who inspired and carried out the January 6th Capitol insurrection. He also breaks down the partisan political battle blocking the formation of a congressional commission to investigate the insurrection.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/prosecuting-the-insurrection/
Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 26, 2021 • 11min
Unfinished Business For DOJ
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses new developments in the investigation into Russia’s influence in the 2016 election, and why Merrick Garland can still pursue justice for the crimes committed.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/unfinished-business-for-doj/
Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 23, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: After the Chauvin Verdict
Elie Honig and NYU Law student Safeena Mecklai discusses her live reaction to the Chauvin verdict, and its greater implications for policing in America.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 21, 2021 • 12min
The Chauvin Verdict
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig addresses the significance of the guilty verdict in the murder trial of Derek Chauvin.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-chauvin-verdict/
Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 19, 2021 • 12min
Chauvin Trial: The Final Stretch
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig reflects on the state of the Chauvin trial as it nears the end, and looks ahead to week four: closing arguments and jury deliberations.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/chauvin-trial-the-final-stretch/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 16, 2021 • 6min
Third Degree Sample: The Chauvin Defense Rests
In this sample from Third Degree, Elie Honig and Harvard Law student Eli Nachmany discuss Derek Chauvin’s decision not to testify in his own murder trial.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 14, 2021 • 13min
Stop, Cooperate and Listen
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses new developments in the investigation of Matt Gaetz—including the case of his collaborator, Joel Greenberg. A former Florida county tax collector who was indicted last year on sex trafficking charges, Greenberg may be cooperating with investigators.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/stop-cooperate-and-listen/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 12, 2021 • 14min
Chauvin Trial: What’s Next
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the strengths and weaknesses of the arguments in the murder trial of Derek Chauvin.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/chauvintrial_whatsnext/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai.
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Apr 9, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: Reflections on the Chauvin Trial
In this sample from the Third Degree podcast, Elie Honig and University of Alabama law student Kyra Perkins discuss the significance and difficulties of watching the Derek Chauvin trial. In the full episode, they further discuss the Chauvin trial, including the strength of the arguments made by the prosecution and defense, the circumstances in which a trial witness can plead the Fifth, and more.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. To sign up for CAFE Insider and gain access to the CAFE Insider podcast and exclusive notes from contributors (including Elie himself), head to cafe.com/insider.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Noa Azulai, Jake Kaplan.
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