
The Counsel
Join a team of experts — from former prosecutors to legal scholars — as they break down the complex legal issues shaping our country today. Twice a week, Elie Honig and other CAFE Contributors examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. Twice a week, a CAFE contributor – Joyce Vance, Barbara McQuade, Asha Rangappa, Rachel Barkow, and Elie Honig – will examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. New episodes out Wednesdays and Fridays. From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Latest episodes

May 28, 2021 • 10min
Note From Elie: How Much Is Too Much?
Note From Elie is part of the free weekly CAFE Brief newsletter. Audio recordings of Elie's Note are part of the CAFE Insider subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 21, 2021 • 24min
Tish Targets Trump
Elie Honig is joined by University of Alabama Law School student Kyra Perkins. They break down New York Attorney General Letitia James’ announcement that her office will pursue a criminal—not just civil—investigation into the Trump Organization. They also discuss what it means to conduct a fair investigation, and the political sensitivities involved with an announcement like this one. Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/tish-targets-trump/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton and Noa Azulai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 19, 2021 • 14min
Much Ado About McGahn?
Elie Honig breaks down the decision by the Biden administration to allow former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify before Congress about Donald Trump’s attempt to obstruct the Mueller investigation into Russian election interference in 2016. Join Elie every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/much-ado-about-mcgahn/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 17, 2021 • 14min
The Business of Cooperation
Elie Honig discusses updates in the case of Joel Greenberg, the former Florida tax collector, who will plead guilty to sex trafficking charges—and what flipping Greenberg could mean for the fate of Florida GOP Representative Matt Gaetz. Join Elie every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-business-of-cooperation/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 14, 2021 • 34min
Prosecutors and the Media
Elie Honig is joined by NYU Law School student Safeena Mecklai. The pair discuss the latest in the prosecution of Derek Chauvin, including a Minnesota judge’s ruling on “aggravating factors” that could increase Chauvin’s prison sentence, and the federal indictment of Chauvin and three other former Minneapolis officers in connection with the murder of George Floyd. They also discuss the role of the media in shaping prosecutors’ charging decisions. Join Elie every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/prosecutors-and-the-media/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 12, 2021 • 13min
Hatchet Job
Elie Honig breaks down the latest development in the long saga of Bill Barr: a federal judge reprimanding the former attorney general for misleading Congress about whether Donald Trump should have been charged with obstructing the Russia investigation. Join Elie every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/hatchet-job/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 10, 2021 • 15min
Chauvin Charged (Again)
Elie Honig breaks down the federal grand jury indictment of Derek Chauvin and the three other ex-Minneapolis police officers in connection with the killing of George Floyd. Join Elie every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/chauvin-charged-again/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 7, 2021 • 28min
"The Shadow Docket"
Elie Honig is joined by Harvard Law School student Eli Nachmany. The pair discuss the likelihood of Supreme Court expansion, the Court’s “shadow docket,” and the (increasingly political) process for selecting Supreme Court justices. Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-shadow-docket/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Sam Ozer-Staton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 5, 2021 • 13min
The Court-Packing Debate
Elie Honig discusses the ascendant conservative majority on the Supreme Court, the Biden administration’s commission to explore court expansion, and possible reforms to the federal judiciary. Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree. Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-court-packing-debate/Third Degree is brought to you by CAFE Studios and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

May 3, 2021 • 13min
The Rudy Raid
Elie Honig discusses the FBI’s raid of Rudy Guiliani’s home and office, and the likelihood that the Southern District of New York will bring charges against Guiliani, who made his name as the leader of that office in the 1980s.Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. Become a member at half the annual price with special code DEGREE at cafe.com/insider.Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree. Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-rudy-raid/Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producer: Noa Azulai, Sam Ozer-Staton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices