
The Counsel
Join a team of experts — from former prosecutors to legal scholars — as they break down the complex legal issues shaping our country today. Twice a week, Elie Honig and other CAFE Contributors examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. Twice a week, a CAFE contributor – Joyce Vance, Barbara McQuade, Asha Rangappa, Rachel Barkow, and Elie Honig – will examine the intersecting worlds of law, politics, and current events. New episodes out Wednesdays and Fridays. From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Latest episodes

Mar 15, 2021 • 12min
Closing In On Trump
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the series of growing investigations into former President Donald Trump—from his tax returns to his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/closing-in-on-trump/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 12, 2021 • 7min
Third Degree Sample: The Juror
In this sample of the Third Degree podcast, Elie Honig and NYU Law student Safeena Mecklai discuss the news that a Minnesota judge has reinstated the third degree murder charge against police officer Derek Chauvin — and the impact that charging decision may have on the ultimate verdict.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines.
Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students, exclusively for members of CAFE Insider. To sign up for CAFE Insider and gain access to the CAFE Insider podcast and exclusive notes from contributors (including Elie himself), head to cafe.com/insider. For a limited time, you can join at half the annual membership price. Just enter the code: JUSTICE.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 10, 2021 • 14min
Picking the Chauvin Jury
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the upcoming trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minnesota police officer charged with killing George Floyd. As the jury selection process kicks off, Elie breaks down the challenges associated with finding a pool of impartial jurors.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/picking-the-chauvin-jury/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 8, 2021 • 13min
Did Cuomo Commit a Crime?
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the investigation of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s alleged misrepresentation of the number of nursing home deaths due to COVID-19.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/did-cuomo-commit-a-crime/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 5, 2021 • 28min
The Manhattan DA vs. Trump
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig is joined by Harvard Law student and former Trump administration speechwriter Eli Nachmany to discuss the Manhattan District Attorney’s growing investigation into former President Trump’s financial records, and how history will remember former Attorney General Bill Barr.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-manhattan-da-vs-trump/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
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Mar 3, 2021 • 12min
Cuomo’s Conduct
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig breaks down the slew of investigations into New York Governor Andrew Cuomo’s conduct. In recent days, Cuomo has faced allegations of sexual harassment and misrepresenting the number of statewide nursing home deaths due to COVID-19.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Jake Kaplan, Noa Azulai.
REFERENCES AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/cuomos-conduct/
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Mar 1, 2021 • 13min
The Book on Bannon
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the potential for state prosecutors to bring criminal charges against Steve Bannon, and the Manhattan District Attorney’s ongoing investigation of Donald Trump’s finances.
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-book-on-bannon/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Noa Azulai.
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Feb 26, 2021 • 24min
A Case Grows in Manhattan
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig is joined by Alabama Law School student Kyra Perkins to break down the status of the Manhattan District Attorney’s investigation into Donald Trump’s taxes and Justice Clarence Thomas’s conspiratorial dissent in a recent Pennsylvania voting rights case. Plus, of all the cases that Elie has prosecuted, which one still keeps him up at night?
Join Elie every Monday and Wednesday on Third Degree for a discussion of the urgent legal news making the headlines. Third Degree takes on a bit of a different flavor on Fridays, when Elie speaks with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree. Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges.
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Noa Azulai.
REFERENCES AND SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/a-case-grows-in-manhattan/
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Feb 24, 2021 • 15min
The DOJ Returns
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses Attorney General Nominee Merrick Garland’s Senate confirmation hearings and a return to normalcy for the Department of Justice.
Tune in with Elie every Friday on Third Degree for a conversation with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website:
https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/the-doj-returns/
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Feb 22, 2021 • 14min
Merrick Garland’s Moment
In this episode of Third Degree, Elie Honig discusses the unique legacy of Merrick Garland, President Obama’s stymied Supreme Court nominee who will now become President Biden’s attorney general. He also breaks down the biggest decisions facing Garland as he takes the helm at DOJ, ranging from investigating Donald Trump to prosecuting Hunter Biden.
Tune in with Elie every Friday on Third Degree for a conversation with a rotating slate of America’s most impressive law school students.
Elie’s analysis doesn’t end with Third Degree.Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring articles by Elie, a weekly roundup of politically charged legal news, and historical lookbacks that help inform our current political challenges: cafe.com/article/the-stay-tuned-newsletter/
Transcript, references and supplemental materials are available on the CAFE website: https://cafe.com/third-degree-podcast/pros-vs-pretenders/
Third Degree is produced by CAFE Studios.
Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Senior Editorial Producer: Adam Waller; Technical Director: David Tatasciore; Audio and Music Producer: Nat Weiner; Editorial Producers: Sam Ozer-Staton, Noa Azulai.
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