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NerdWallet Personal Finance
NerdWallet’s trusted finance journalists answer real-world money questions to help you make smarter financial decisions with confidence.Each episode dives deep into topics like budgeting, saving, investing, home buying, and credit cards, cutting through misinformation to bring you clear, actionable advice backed by thorough research.By the end of every episode, you’ll have the latest financial insights and the tools you’ll need to manage your money wisely, build wealth, and plan for life’s milestones. And if you have questions for the Nerds, you can leave them a voicemail at 901-730-6373.Join hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, Elizabeth Ayoola, and other expert Nerds as they answer your biggest money questions and share strategies to help you build wealth and reach your financial goals, including:– Investing: Advanced investment strategies, integrating ETFs and mutual funds into a diversified portfolio, tax-efficient retirement planning, understanding Roth IRA conversions, and navigating robo-advisors.– Credit Cards: Top credit cards for travel rewards and luxury perks, balance transfer strategies, maximizing credit card points, and optimizing credit card usage to boost your credit score.– Personal Finance: Advanced budgeting tips, building generational wealth, creating effective savings plans, managing high-income expenses, and developing a strong money growth mindset.– Home: Smart strategies for homebuying in competitive markets, leveraging home equity loans and HELOCs, refinancing for long-term savings, first-time homebuying tips, and budgeting for major home improvements.If you’re searching for the best personal finance podcasts or want practical knowledge to make smarter money decisions, then follow NerdWallet’s Smart Money Podcast.You’ll love NerdWallet’s Smart Money Podcast if you like podcasts like: Planet Money, The Personal Finance Podcast, DIY Money, Afford Anything, How to Money, The Ramsey Show, Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin, NPR’s Life Kit: Money, Popcorn Finance, Money Girl,Money Guy Show, Everyone’s Talkin’ Money, So Money with Farnoosh Tarabi, The Money with Katie Show, All the Hacks with Chris Hutchins, The Stacking Benjamins Show, MoneyWatch with Jill Schlesinger, or Your Money, Your Wealth.NerdWallet Compare, Inc. NMLS ID# 1617539 NMLS Consumer Access: http://www.nmlsconsumeraccess.org/
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Oct 16, 2025 • 34min
What Home Sellers Can Legally Hide and How to Master Irregular Bills
Learn how to plan for surprise bills and what to ask about a home’s past so your budget and buying feel stress free.
Do sellers have to disclose deaths, crimes or “hauntings” in a home? How can you budget for irregular expenses without daily tracking? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola open a spooky episode with housing Nerds Holden Lewis and Kate Wood to break down which states require sellers to reveal a home’s dark history, when they don’t, and how to protect yourself as a buyer. They unpack how to check local laws, research an address, and talk with neighbors so you can make confident choices — and avoid creepy surprises.
Then, Sean and Elizabeth answer listener Alyssa’s question about managing expenses that change (or don’t come up at all) from month to month. They share practical ways to plan ahead for costs like home maintenance, credit card fees, childcare, pet care, and car repairs — without tracking every penny. Learn how to build flexible savings buckets, automate deposits, and keep lifestyle creep in check so your budget finally feels steady.
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: haunted house disclosure laws, seller disclosure death in house, stigmatized property, California real estate law, Alaska disclosure rules, Massachusetts disclosure requirements, Minnesota property laws, South Dakota home sale rules, Kentucky real estate disclosure, house history search, property value and crime, neighborhood research before buying, state disclosure differences, how to check a home’s history, due diligence when buying a home, buyer protection strategies, homebuyer checklist, surprise home costs, unpredictable expenses, annual fees planning, sinking funds, budgeting system, flexible savings account, automated transfers, pay yourself first, lifestyle creep management, household budget balance, high income budgeting, financial organization, saving for irregular costs, long-term financial planning, and how to do a monthly money check-in.
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Oct 13, 2025 • 39min
Feeling Burned Out? How to Know When to Quit Your Job — and What to Do First
Tess Vigeland, a producer and author, shares her insights on navigating career transitions after leaving her NPR hosting job without a backup plan. She discusses the importance of a 'freedom fund' and the emotional realities of quitting. The conversation touches on managing workload without burning bridges, the impact of the labor market on job decisions, and vital lessons learned from her experience. Tess emphasizes the need for reflection between jobs and weighs the pros and cons of 'quiet quitting' versus making a clean break.

Oct 9, 2025 • 40min
What Fewer Earnings Reports Could Mean for Investors and How to Teach Kids About Money (Video Episode)
In this special video episode, learn what proposed stock market rule changes could mean for your portfolio and how to grow your teen’s money skills.
Will corporate earnings reports soon shift from quarterly to twice a year? And what could new rules about day trading mean for everyday investors? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola team up with senior news writer Anna Helhoski and investing lead writer Sam Taube to break down how potential SEC rule changes could reshape the stock market. They explore the pros and cons of less frequent earnings reports, what research shows about long-term investing behavior, and how easing day-trading limits might open doors for some investors — while raising risks for others. They also share practical ways to interpret earnings data, stay focused on long-term goals, and avoid emotional trading.
Then, Sean and Elizabeth meet with listener Essa in-person to discuss how to teach kids money skills at home. They cover options for approaching allowances and savings goals (e.g., Greenlight), building credit safely via authorized-user setups or secured cards, and turning lessons into hands-on practice with simulations and budgeting tools. Essa shares what’s been working in her household so far and gets suggestions on how to introduce new money concepts to her kids.
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: SEC rule change 2025, Trump administration stock market changes, FINRA margin requirements, quarterly earnings cycle, semiannual financial reporting, stock market volatility trends, P/E ratio meaning, price to earnings ratio formula, long-term investor behavior, day trading regulation, PDT minimum balance, $25,000 day trading rule, margin trading risks, investor protection rules, stock market research studies, dot-com crash lessons, European Union earnings rules, financial disclosure requirements, investing newsletter signup, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission updates, FINRA proposal 2025, retail investor access, beginner investing risks, youth financial literacy, teaching kids about credit, financial education apps for students, Bite of Reality app, Next Gen Personal Finance platform, EverFi money games, Financial Times Uber game, teen debit cards, compound interest examples, high-yield savings comparison, 401k matching concept, family money discussions, allowance systems for children, and parent-daughter investing ideas.
To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email podcast@nerdwallet.com.
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Oct 6, 2025 • 44min
Watch the Nerds Sweat It Out: Hot Wings Meet Hot Money Takes (Video Episode)
In this special video episode, Sean and Elizabeth and special guests eat spicy wings and share hot takes on saving versus investing, inflation, crypto, and when to trade up for an electric vehicle.
When should you prioritize investing over traditional savings? How do you know when to keep repairing your car versus trading it in for something new, like an EV? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola share their zestiest financial takes over hot wings, blending financial insights with fiery fun. NerdWallet YouTube creator Stephen Smith joins them in-person at NerdWallet HQ in Scottsdale, AZ, for a lively discussion which, like the hot sauce, gets eye-wateringly spicy. They debate whether saving in a checking account makes sense, how high-yield savings stack up against inflation, and whether the U.S. dollar could one day be backed by cryptocurrency. They also dig into why consumer debt is so easy to rack up, including the rise of Buy Now, Pay Later for everyday purchases.
Then, listener Sandra joins the in-person conversation with Sean and Elizabeth as they discuss whether she should keep repairing her Acura or buy a new EV. They explore repair costs versus new car payments, the impact of high-yield savings rates, trade-in timing, and refinancing considerations. The episode wraps with practical insights on how to balance financial security with lifestyle goals like travel, education savings, and staying debt-free.
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Smart Money is a finalist for TWO Signal Awards! Please take a moment to vote for us here:
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: Bitcoin reserve currency, dollar backed by crypto, consumer debt in America, Buy Now Pay Later pros and cons, Klarna food delivery, Klarna at Chipotle, financing gas with BNPL, credit card debt cycle, checking account interest rates, financial literacy for kids, trust fund for children, custodial accounts for kids, Acura MDX, car repair costs, car repair vs new car cost, average car payment 2025, EV tariffs 2025, zero APR car financing, mortgage refinance break-even, 529 vs Roth IRA rollover, saving for college vs high-yield savings, passing down a car to kids, luxury vehicle maintenance costs, average miles per year US drivers, opportunity cost of buying a car, travel vs new car decision, and financial security vs lifestyle goals..
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Oct 2, 2025 • 38min
Budget Rehab: What Our Hosts’ Spending Reveals About Smarter Money Moves (Video Episode)
In this special video episode, Sean and Elizabeth give each other a “budget rehab,” revealing their own budgets to help you fix yours.
How can you feel more in control of your spending? How can you plan for irregular expenses like credit card annual fees or surprise bills? In this video episode, hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola give each other a “budget rehab” to reveal how they really manage their money — and how you can apply the same strategies to your own finances. But first, they’re joined by NerdWallet senior writer Anna Helhoski to discuss new NerdWallet survey findings about money stress and what steps you can take to alleviate it. They discuss why money stress hits some groups harder than others and share practical tips for easing the pressure.
Then, Sean and Elizabeth present a personal “Budget Rehab” segment where they analyze each other’s real numbers while sitting eye to eye at NerdWallet HQ. Sean shares how he balances rental income, savings, and splurges, while Elizabeth maps her freelance income, high savings rate, and family priorities. Together, they highlight the pros and cons of tactics like setting up multiple savings buckets, trimming recurring costs, maxing out tax-advantaged accounts, and planning ahead for annual fees and surprise expenses.
Smart Money is a finalist for TWO Signal Awards! Please take a moment to vote for us here:
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Want the cheapest prepaid phone plan that still fits your phone service needs? Read NerdWallet’s article on the best cheap cell phone plans: https://www.nerdwallet.com/p/best/finance/cheap-cell-phone-plans
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: money anxiety, reduce financial stress, generational money differences, Gen Z money habits, Millennial money habits, Gen X finances, Baby Boomer finances, grocery inflation, high food prices, emergency savings, build emergency cushion, debt payoff strategies, debt snowball vs avalanche, credit card debt payoff, homeownership vs renting, housing costs, mortgage vs rent, rental affordability, HSA benefits, high-deductible health plan, maxing out 401k, brokerage account investing, saving for car replacement, sinking fund examples, subscription audit tips, lower utility bills, cheaper phone plan, cutting cell phone costs, donating to charity, values-based spending, overspending triggers, budget burnout, financial literacy gaps, improve financial confidence, setting financial goals, FIRE movement, early retirement savings, family budgeting, and teaching kids about money.
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Sep 29, 2025 • 44min
Stop Overpaying With Miles: The Redemption Rules Smart Travelers Use in 2025
In a special presentation of Smart Travel, learn what your points and miles are really worth in 2025 — and why the answer might change how you book travel.
Should you take a $650 flight voucher or 32,500 miles? How much are your points and miles actually worth? Smart Travel hosts Sally French and Meghan Coyle break down the latest NerdWallet valuations to help you make smarter redemption choices. But first, they cover recent travel headlines, including Southwest Airlines’ new partnership with EVA Air, Frontier’s companion certificate promotion and status match, and JetBlue opening up award bookings with Condor Airlines.
Then, travel Nerd Craig Joseph joins Meghan to discuss NerdWallet’s latest airline, hotel, and credit card point valuations, with tips and tricks on comparing loyalty programs, maximizing transfer partners, and deciding when cash is more valuable than points. They also discuss the impact of devaluations, how close-in bookings can save you points, and why premium cabins can sometimes offer outsized redemption value. Plus: Craig’s hot take on airport lounges.
Card benefits, terms and fees can change. For the most up-to-date information about cards mentioned in this episode, read our reviews:
Is the Frontier Airlines World Mastercard Worth Its Annual Fee? https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/is-the-frontier-airlines-world-mastercard-worth-its-annual-fee
Citi Strata Credit Card Review: Solid Rewards for No Annual Fee https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/citi-strata
Citi Double Cash Review: A Solid Choice for Everyday Spending https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/citi-double-cash
Citi Custom Cash Card Review: Low-Maintenance 5% Cash Back https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/citi-custom-cash
Citi Strata Premier: Big Rewards Across Top Spending Categories https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/citi-strata-premier
Is the New Alaska Atmos Summit Card Worth a $395 Annual Fee? https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/is-the-alaska-airlines-atmos-summit-card-worth-its-annual-fee
Resources discussed in this episode:
Airline Miles vs. Cash Calculator https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/calculator-should-you-book-a-flight-with-cash-or-miles
How Much Are Travel Points and Miles Worth in 2025? https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airline-miles-and-hotel-points-valuations
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In this episode, the Nerds discuss: points and miles valuation, airline miles value, hotel points value, credit card points value, Southwest EVA Air partnership, Frontier Companion Certificate, JetBlue Condor award booking, Citi American Airlines transfer, Amex Membership Rewards value, Capital One points value, Bilt points value, Hyatt points value, Hilton points value, Marriott points value, Wyndham points value, IHG points value, Alaska miles value, JetBlue points value, American Airlines miles value, United miles value, Southwest points value, Virgin Atlantic miles value, ANA miles value, Avianca LifeMiles value, best way to use Amex points, best way to use Citi points, best way to use Capital One points, use cash or points for flights, last minute award flight value, premium cabin redemption value, economy flight points value, airline devaluation, hotel point devaluation, cash vs points travel booking, when to transfer credit card points, how to maximize travel rewards, and NerdWallet points and miles calculator. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Sep 25, 2025 • 31min
Stay Ahead of a Government Shutdown and Learn How to Invest Extra Money Wisely
Learn how to prepare for a government shutdown and where to put $600 a month after building your emergency fund.
What happens in a federal government shutdown? Where should you put $600/month after funding an emergency cushion? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss the looming shutdown before answering a listener’s question about where to allocate their extra income. They begin with senior news writer Anna Helhoski, breaking down how a lapse in government funding could affect benefits, travel, parks, mail, and taxes, and how to keep your own plan steady.
Then, Elizabeth and Sean answer a listener’s question about how to think about allocating $600/month. They discuss automating IRA/solo 401(k)/SEP IRA contributions, using diversified index or mutual funds and a taxable brokerage, balancing a home down payment with retirement via time horizons and DTI/credit score, and what to look for in funds. They also explore how habit-building and automation can help you grow retirement savings while still working toward a down payment.
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: Social Security during shutdown, TSA delays shutdown, Medicare during shutdown, Medicaid during shutdown, WIC benefits shutdown, IRS refund delays, FAFSA processing delay, federal employees furlough, furloughed vs essential workers, continuing resolution, national park closures shutdown, food safety inspections shutdown, EPA inspections shutdown, FDA inspections shutdown, NIH grants shutdown, unemployment benefits shutdown, debt-to-income ratio mortgage, mortgage approval process, credit score mortgage requirement, down payment savings strategy, closing costs when buying a home, emergency savings for home repairs, retirement calculator, 15 percent retirement savings rule, ETF vs mutual fund, S&P 500 index fund, expense ratio explained, index fund performance history, index fund tracking error, taxable brokerage account basics, diversification in investing, automate retirement contributions, solo 401k contribution limit, and SEP IRA contribution limit.
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Sep 22, 2025 • 31min
Preparing Finances for Fall and How to Help Parents Who Haven’t Saved Enough
Kate Ashford, a personal finance expert at NerdWallet, joins Sean and Elizabeth to delve into crucial fall finance strategies. They explore how to prepare for open enrollment and set a budgeting plan for holiday expenses. The discussion shifts to assisting aging parents with limited retirement savings, touching on sensitive money conversations and evaluating Social Security. They also provide insights on Medicare options, subsidies for senior housing, and practical tips to help without jeopardizing your own retirement.

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Sep 18, 2025 • 29min
The Fed Just Cut Rates — Here’s How to Make the Most of It (Plus: How to Freeze Your Credit)
Amanda Barroso, a consumer credit expert at NerdWallet, joins the hosts to demystify credit freezes and provide essential tips for protecting your financial identity. Listeners learn when and why to freeze their credit, comparing it with fraud alerts and credit locks. The discussion includes practical steps for freezing at all three bureaus, using apps for quick thaws, and avoiding common mistakes. Tune in to discover how the recent Fed rate cut affects loans and savings and what it means for your borrowing strategies.

Sep 15, 2025 • 30min
Tap to Pay, Tap to Overspend? Mobile Wallet Traps and Money Conversations That Pay Off
Learn if digital wallets make you overspend and how simple habits can help you stay on budget.
How do you start money conversations that actually help? Do mobile wallets make you overspend? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss intentional money conversations and the psychology of paying by phone vs. card vs. cash to help you control spending and feel better about your money habits. Joined by Shari Rash, host of Everyone’s Talkin’ Money, they begin with a discussion of money talk made easier, with tips and tricks on opening with neutral topics like grocery prices, identifying your first money memory, and swapping shaming language for neutral phrasing.
Then, personal finance nerd Kate Ashford joins Sean and Elizabeth to discuss whether paying by phone changes what you spend. They discuss why “payment coupling” can dull the pain of spending, guardrails to curb impulse buys (fun-money caps, 24-hour waits, no saved cards), and where cash, credit cards, mobile wallets, and envelope-style budgeting apps (like YNAB and Goodbudget) fit for security and self-control.
Does Using a Credit Card Make You Spend More Money? https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/credit-cards-make-you-spend-more
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In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: mobile payments, Apple Pay, Google Pay, digital wallet security, overspending, impulse buying, cash vs credit card, payment coupling, behavioral finance, pay by phone vs card, cash stuffing, envelope method, ynab, goodbudget, budgeting apps, grocery budget tips, price per ounce shopping, money mindset, first money memory, financial check-ins, unsubscribe from promo emails, wait 24 hours before buying, fun money budget, online shopping guardrails, biometric authentication, credit card fraud protection, cashless venues, spending guardrails, budgeting limits, talking about money with partner, how to start money conversations, rising grocery prices, neutral money language, feeling rich vs being rich, allocate money for joy, mobile wallet pros and cons, tap to pay risks, and how to curb impulse shopping.
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