Life After Ministry

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    Summary Tom Dyke shares his journey from ministry to starting his own business. He discusses his background in Manitoba, Canada, and his various roles in ministry, including being a youth pastor and overseeing family ministries. Tom initiated his departure from ministry due to challenges within the church and found a new calling in marketing and storytelling. He shares his financial success in his new business and challenges the poverty mindset often associated with pastors. Tom emphasizes the importance of family and creating lasting memories, and how his relationship with money has evolved. He also discusses how his pastoral skills continue to impact his interactions in the business world. Takeaways There is life after ministry, and it can be fulfilling and successful. Transitioning from ministry to a new career or business requires adaptability and a willingness to learn new skills. Having a healthy relationship with money is important, and pastors should not feel guilty about financial success. Identifying and pursuing one's true calling and purpose can provide a sense of fulfillment and guide career decisions. Pastoral skills, such as building relationships and listening, can be valuable in various professional settings. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 01:11 Living in Manitoba, Canada 02:11 Roles in Ministry 04:33 Last Day in Ministry 08:47 Transition to Business 12:30 Financial Perspective and Relationship with Money 16:09 Calling and Purpose 20:01 Life After Ministry and Creating Memories 22:32 Incorporating Pastoral Skills in Business 27:01 Conclusion: Life After Ministry is Good Thom Van Dycke fractional Chief Growth Officer for solopreneurs. After 19 years as a pastor, he launched his business at the height of the pandemic in 2020 and grew it to six figures in the first year. He believes that to truly engage with our ideal audience we need to leverage the power of storytelling. Thom is married to Tara and they have 7 children. They are both advocates for foster and adoption and have welcomed 30 foster children into their home since 2011. Connect with Thom at: www.thomvandycke.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thom-van-dycke/ StoryBrand: https://marketingmadesimple.com/ThomVanDycke

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    Summary: In this episode, Pastor Dan Broyles discusses the challenges pastors face when seeking counseling and the importance of grieving their own losses. He also highlights the need for pastors to connect with others outside their church community and provides hope for those in times of transition. Our guest, Dan Broyles, wears two significant hats – that of a Care Pastor and a licensed Christian therapist. Known for his profound ability to offer solace, Dan is the go-to person for pastors across the region seeking guidance and support. In this episode, we dive into a less-discussed aspect of pastoral life: the accumulation of losses that ministry leaders endure. From the emotional weight of their congregants' struggles to their own personal challenges, pastors carry a heavy load. Dan emphasizes the crucial yet often neglected practice of grieving one's own losses. He explains the importance of acknowledging and processing these experiences, not just for the health of the pastor but for the well-being of their ministry. Dan's insights shed light on why self-care isn't just advisable for pastors – it's essential. He discusses why counseling isn’t just for their congregation but is a vital resource for pastors themselves. With his unique perspective as both a pastor and a therapist, Dan offers invaluable advice on navigating the emotional toll of ministry while maintaining personal and spiritual health. To learn more about Dan Broyles' work and access resources for pastoral care, visit SagaCenter.org and Valencia Hills Community Church located about an hour north of downtown Los Angeles. Takeaways: Pastors often struggle to seek counseling within their own church community due to fear of judgment or misunderstanding. Grieving one's own losses is an essential part of the pastoral journey, but many pastors neglect this process. Pastors can find support and understanding by connecting with other pastors who have experienced similar challenges. It is important for pastors to prioritize their own needs and seek connections outside their church community. Chapters 00:00 - Seeking Counseling in the Church 03:07 - The Role of a Pastor and Therapist 05:26 - Experiencing a Transition in Ministry 07:51 - The Difficulty of Grieving in Ministry 10:44 - Pastors Seeking Help from Other Pastors 13:04 - Providing Hope in Times of Transition 15:30 - The Loyalty Issue in Pastoral Transitions 17:25 - The Importance of Connecting Outside the Church 19:18 - Closing Remarks

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    In this conversation, Jon Sanders shares his journey from being a pastor to transitioning into a new season of ministry. He discusses the calling that led him into ministry and the challenges he faced along the way. Jon also explores the concept of bi-vocational ministry and the role of entrepreneurs in the church. He encourages pastors to embrace their unique gifts and explore new opportunities outside of traditional ministry. The conversation highlights the importance of finding a new path and offers guidance on how to navigate the transition process.   Takeaways Embrace your unique calling and gifts in ministry. Consider the possibilities of bivocational ministry. Explore entrepreneurial opportunities in the marketplace. Find a new path that aligns with your passions and skills. Chapters   00:00 Introduction and Calling into Ministry 03:00 Transitioning Out of Ministry 10:12 The Role of Entrepreneurs in Ministry 17:10 Bivocational Ministry and Ministry After Ministry 23:12 Finding a New Path and Onboarding Process 29:41 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Validating Ideas

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    In this episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we tackle a critical issue that often serves as a catalyst for pastoral transitions: burnout. While our mission at Pastoral Transitions is to support ministry leaders in their journey out of ministry, we're equally passionate about preventing burnout to keep our church leaders healthy, strong, and vibrant. Joining us is Jonathan Malm, co-author of "Don't Burn Out, Burn Bright," a book offering practical wisdom on avoiding the pitfalls that lead many in ministry to prematurely press the eject button. Jonathan's insights are not just theories - they are lifelines drawn from his experience and deep understanding of the unique pressures faced by those in ministry. Burnout is more than just a buzzword - it's a reality that can deeply impact one’s spiritual, emotional, and physical well-being. Jonathan's approach to tackling this issue is both proactive and empowering. His book has strategies and principles that can transform the way pastors approach their calling, ensuring they can serve with longevity and joy. Discover more about Jonathan and his impactful work at Don't Burn Out, Burn Bright. His insights extend beyond the pages of his book, as he continues to inspire and educate through his engaging Instagram account. Follow him at @jonathanmalm for a regular dose of humor, encouragement, and practical advice. This episode is an essential listen for anyone in ministry seeking to navigate the demanding landscape of pastoral work without losing their spark. Let's dive into how we can keep our ministry leaders burning bright, not burning out.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/.  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    In "Facing And Forgiving Those Who Hurt You," the ninth episode of the Life After Ministry podcast, we’re invited into the world of Ryan and Lindsay Gentles. It's a tale of closing a decade-long chapter in ministry, of navigating farewells that feel more like eulogies than celebrations, and the struggle to exit gracefully without the dramatics of a "Jerry Maguire" moment. What unfolds when silence is imposed, and the grief of leaving is a burden carried alone? How does a family find its way through the maze of loss, especially when young children are part of the equation, grappling with the concept of joblessness and churchlessness? This episode touches the raw nerves of bitterness and isolation, but also of healing and forgiveness. It's about the courage to face those who've hurt you, the unexpected release found in forgiveness, and the profound wisdom earned through life's toughest battles. And amidst the turbulence, we hear of Ryan's creative spirit, giving birth to his book published this year, "Did Jesus Wear Undies?" — answering questions his young children would ask and throwing a theological life raft to parents drowning in the curiosity of kids trying to figure it all out.  Join us for an episode filled with raw emotion, hard-won wisdom, and the kind of deep, soulful wrestle that reshapes lives. We love Ryan and Lindsay Gentles and think you will too! Find Ryan at ryangentles.com and Lindsay at True North. Buy the book, "Did Jesus Wear Undies?" here.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    In Episode 8, we sit down with Gary Weaber, who poured his heart into pastoral ministry for over three and a half decades. Imagine, after 36 dedicated years, facing a conversation with your elders about stepping down from your teaching role. Most pastors dread this talk, fearing miscommunication, hurt, and the potential fallout that could affect the congregation. Yet, Gary's story shines a different light. Instead of walking away with wounds, he left that meeting feeling uplifted, rating the experience an impressive 11 out of 10. So, what was their secret? Gary shares the foundation of trust, open communication, and mutual respect they had nurtured over the years. It's a testament to what's possible when leaders prioritize relationships and unity. Now, as he embraces a new chapter with Stand Stone Ministry, Gary's journey offers invaluable insights for church elders and pastors approaching similar crossroads. Dive in and discover the keys to navigating these pivotal transitions with grace, understanding, and a shared vision.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/.  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    Just mentioning "church hurt" will hit home for many of you. It’s baffling. The very place we'd expect to find solace and healing often turns out to be a source of deep wounds. If this resonates with you, you're not alone, and this episode is a must-listen. Our guest, Shane McDonald, a licensed mental health counselor and former pastor, knows all too well what it's like to transition from serving in a ministry to a therapeutic setting. When he shared that a staggering 90% of his clients are dealing with some form of "church hurt," it was a wake-up call we couldn't ignore. But here's where Shane left us hanging on every word: He draws a fine line between "hurt" and "injury," and that got us seriously pondering. It's not just about acknowledging the pain, it's about understanding its depth and impact on our spiritual and emotional health. So, whether you've personally felt the sting of "church hurt" or you know someone who has, tune in to this intimate and insightful episode. Shane McDonald doesn't just expose the problem; he offers the kind of wisdom that can spark healing. To learn more about the work and continued life after ministry of Shane McDonald, click here.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    We sat down with Justin and Amanda McNeil at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference, and their story is nothing short of compelling. What sets their story apart is its testament to the notion that transitions out of vocational ministry don't have to be filled with negativity or go horribly wrong. In fact, their journey illustrates that even the most complex shifts can be navigated with grace, hope, and what they call "brutiful" resilience. Justin and Amanda take us on a ride from their earliest days meeting in kids' church to their committed years serving as pastors, and onto a new, unexpected chapter as therapists. This episode peels back the layers on what it means to transition well, offering both the challenges and rewards that come with embracing change. You'll hear not just about the difficulties, but also the beautiful moments of discovery, transformation, and renewed purpose that can exist in life after ministry. Don't miss this episode if you're interested in understanding how transitions can be thoughtfully navigated, how a new calling can emerge from the old, and how the spirit of service can flourish outside traditional church settings. Justin and Amanda's compelling story serves as a beacon of light, demonstrating that there is not only life after ministry but also meaningful work that continues to fulfill a divine purpose. To learn more about the work and continued life after ministry of Justin and Amanda McNeil, click here.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions. From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode. Their story is a testament to the resilience of faith and the lessons that can only be learned through pain. Get your pen and paper ready—you won't want to miss the invaluable insights from this power couple. Learn more about Gary & Lisa at garyandlisablack.com and mandate456.org. You can also purchase a signed copy of Lisa’s book: All The Sacred Things here.

For more information about the work we do at Pastoral Transitions, visit us at https://pastoraltransitions.com/  To book a confidential call with our team, go to: https://pastoraltransitions.com/talk    Episode 4 of the Life After Ministry Podcast is a replay of a conversation Matt Davis had on Josh Harris's podcast, "Clear and Loud." Entitled "The Holy Mess of Pastoral Transitions," this episode dives deep into the complexities that come with leaving a role in ministry. With over two decades of experience as a Teaching and Executive Pastor, Matt shares the hard lessons learned during his own exit from pastoral service. The episode answers crucial questions like: Why are pastoral transitions uniquely painful? How does a shift in roles impact one's family? And why do so many pastors feel the need to leave their church community altogether? Through this talk, we hope that you find healing, whatever or wherever you journey finds you today.