Pain Is A Teacher (featuring Gary & Lisa Black)

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In Episode 5, "Pain Is A Teacher," we sit down with the inspiring couple, Gary & Lisa Black, to discuss the transformative power of enduring life's toughest transitions.

From losing a spouse and a child to navigating numerous shifts in ministry, Gary and Lisa have amassed a wealth of wisdom that they generously share in this episode.

Their story is a testament to the resilience of faith and the lessons that can only be learned through pain.

Get your pen and paper ready—you won't want to miss the invaluable insights from this power couple.

Learn more about Gary & Lisa at garyandlisablack.com and mandate456.org.

You can also purchase a signed copy of Lisa’s book: All The Sacred Things here.