

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill
Michael Mogill
How can you become a game changer?Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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Apr 9, 2024 • 1h 52min
253. Ryan Hendrickson — Tip of the Spear: The Incredible Story of an Injured Green Beret’s Return to Battle [Encore Edition]
In a world where quitting is often the easiest path, Ryan Hendrickson — U.S. Special Forces Engineer and best-selling author — stands out as a beacon of unwavering dedication. Despite the life-altering event of stepping on an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan which blew off his foot, Ryan's commitment to duty led him back to the battlefield time and again.Join us for an unforgettable episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast as Ryan delves into:
Embracing a "we" mentality over a "me" mentality
Discerning between giving your all and succumbing to quitting
The stark reality of living on the edge in combat situations
----Show Notes:03:12 – Why Ryan wrote The Tip of the Spear06:12 – How Ryan’s family shaped his resilience and determination10:59 – Why Ryan chose to pursue a military path13:05 – The rise from a navy deck hand to the Special Forces14:15 – The struggle of adapting to civilian life15:56 – The importance of structure and discipline in success19:29 – Becoming mentally tough24:51 – Special Forces training38:47 – Mindset and mission in training39:52 – What it means to be a Green Beret42:20 – Ryan’s journey to becoming a Green Beret44:54 – The role of teamwork in Special Forces selection48:13 – Adapting to the frontlines 54:54 – Surviving an IED blast and the road to recovery01:08:28 – Ryan’s drive to return to combat01:13:49 – The harsh reality of returning to the battlefield01:15:29 – Ryan’s unexpected challenges and proving his worth01:17:17 — Overcoming fear and finding purpose01:18:05 – Hilltop 2000: a mission of perseverance and perspective01:22:14 – Surviving the Taliban's ambush01:36:21 – The unending search for adrenaline01:38:51 – How Ryan found purpose beyond the battlefield01:39:54 – A call for mental health awareness and veteran support01:46:03 – Confronting entitlement and embracing hard work01:48:20 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Ryan Hendrickson----Links & Resources
Green Berets
Navy SEALs
Joe Rogan
Purple Heart
Special Forces
Basic Underwater Demolition/SEALs (BUD/S)
Army Rangers
The Taliban
Improvised Explosive Device (IED)
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#141 David Goggins – Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
#73 James Lawrence – Iron Cowboy: 101 Ironmans In 101 Days
#210 AMMA – Failure Isn’t Final: Lessons Learned from Setbacks and Struggles

Apr 4, 2024 • 25min
252 AMMA — Shiny Object Syndrome: Staying Focused in a World of Distractions
Are you constantly chasing the next big thing, only to find yourself stuck in a cycle of distraction and indecision? It's time to break free.In this eye-opening episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill share:
How to maintain a sense of clarity and purpose in the face of constant change
How to overcome analysis paralysis and trust your instincts
How to build resilience and stay committed to seeing things through
----Show Notes:07:06 — How to stop being distracted10:26 — Why you should top saying “yes” to everything12:44 — How to make better decisions19:21 — What you gain from sticking with it20:56 — How to build discipline and resilience----Links & Resources
LASIK Eye Surgery
Crisp Coach
Google Ads
Amazon
The RFP Process
Indecisiveness Is Weakness
GCA Podcast Episode #183 — AMMA: How Great Leaders Make Decisions
Mike Tyson
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#229 David Goggins – Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within
#101 Ayelet Fishbach – Get It Done: The Surprising Lessons from the Science of Motivation
#183 AMMA – How Great Leaders Make Decisions

Apr 2, 2024 • 54min
251. Alex Hormozi — The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success [Encore Edition]
Embark on Alex Hormozi's journey from $500 to a successful eight-figure revenue company. Discover the power of humility in entrepreneurship, the dangers of ego, and the common traits of successful entrepreneurs. Unveil the truths about building businesses and the role of personal branding in achieving long-term success.

Mar 28, 2024 • 25min
250. AMMA — Working With Your Spouse In the Business World
Ever wondered how those business power couples achieve success in their law firms and their households? Strap in for a deep dive into the intricacies of working alongside your spouse.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill share their insights on:
How to provide uncomfortable yet critical feedback to your coworking spouse
How to address and resolve conflicting business beliefs
Many more do's and don'ts of working with your spouse
----Show Notes:04:21 – How to provide feedback to your co-working spouse06:24 – It’s not what you say; it’s how you say it07:43 – Jessica’s take on working with Michael10:27 – How to address and resolve conflicting beliefs about investments14:14 – Invest in alignment with your goals and vision17:31 – How to get your spouse excited about business----Links & Resources
LASIK Eye Surgery
Crisp Coach
Kolbe ATM Index Assessment
PRINT® Assessment
NFTs
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#47 Jessica Mogill – A Transformational Partnership: How Opposites Attract
#245 Sheila Heen – How to Master Difficult Conversations
#173 AMMA – Healthy Habits and High Performance

Mar 26, 2024 • 42min
249. Codie Sanchez — Maximizing Income: Strategies for Achieving Financial Freedom
Can calculated decisions lead to true financial freedom, or is it all just wishful thinking? Prepare to discover how one entrepreneur turned a series of sound yet lucrative investments into a multimillion-dollar empire.Meet Codie Sanchez, a finance maven who's on a mission to create financially free and free-thinking humans. As the Founder & CEO of Contrarian Thinking — one of the fastest-growing financial media businesses in the nation — she's helped thousands of entrepreneurs grow, buy, and sell profitable businesses.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Codie and Michael Mogill discuss:
The three realms of income — and how to maximize all of them
Why the path less traveled isn’t always the best one to take
How to set yourself up for success in buying or selling your law firm
And more!
----Show Notes:03:56 – Why Codie is obsessed with people getting ownership 07:53 – Why you need to stop chasing unicorns 13:37 – How to buy your first business15:47 – How to determine if you’re cut out for entrepreneurship18:14 – Why you should pick the path MORE traveled20:43 – The criteria of a good investment vs. a bad one24:08 – How to make your law firm investable27:12 – The differences between cashflow and cashsuck businesses31:14 – Why making money and keeping money are two different things33:45 – How to effectively work with your spouse----Links & Resources
Contrarian Thinking
Contrarian Community
Forbes
Episode 151 of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Bill Perkins
The FIRE Movement
The FatFIRE Movement
Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
Henry David Thoreau
The 7 Horsemen of the Great Sell-Off
Warren Buffett
How To Build A Business That Will Sell For Millions (12-Month Plan)
Cashflow Businesses vs. Cashsuck Businesses
Exxon
Morgan Housel
The Psychology of Money (Book)
Contrarian Thinking’s Small Biz Buyer Insights Report 2024
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#151 Bill Perkins — Die With Zero: Getting All You Can From Your Money and Your Life
#223 Chad Willardson — Achieving Financial Freedom: Strategies for Building Abundant Wealth
#201 AMMA — Take the Stairs: The REAL Path to Growth

Mar 21, 2024 • 23min
248. AMMA — How to Lead Great Meetings
Ever feel like meetings suck up your day, leaving little to show for it? It's time to discover a more effective approach.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill will teach you:
How to structure and stick to an action-oriented agenda
How to streamline your meetings to get more done in less time
Strategies for keeping meeting participants engaged
----Show Notes:05:33 — How much money your meetings are costing your firm06:34 — The non-negotiable pre-work to every meeting08:18 — How to make every single one of your meetings more efficient, immediately10:00 — How to get your team to be more engaged in meeting16:11 — How to determine what meetings you should actually be having18:01 — Why you, as the law firm owner, are not needed in every meeting----Links & Resources
Meeting Cost Calculator for Google Calendar
Slack
Teams
Zoom
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#187 Dan Martell — Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire
#25 Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss
#217 AMMA — The Key to Clarity in Business

Mar 19, 2024 • 36min
247. John Morgan — Fortune Favors the Bold: How to Build a Legal Empire [Encore Edition]
Without a doubt, John Morgan, the visionary behind Morgan & Morgan, has established himself as a prominent figure in expanding America's leading personal injury law firm.In this special-edition episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, recorded LIVE at the 2022 Game Changers Summit on the field of the Mercedes-Benz Stadium, you'll have the opportunity to delve deeper into his persona and his unique approach to business.Prepare yourself for an insightful exploration of:
John Morgan's journey to fame in the legal industry
The single greatest threat to law firm owners across the nation
The significance of luck in achieving excellence — though it's just one piece of the puzzle
----Show Notes:03:30 – Addressing everyone listening who hates John Morgan’s guts05:00 – How John crafts killer marketing strategies08:30 – Why John started his own law firm13:30 – How to evaluate if someone has hunger (the insatiable appetite to win)15:45 – Why Morgan & Morgan is run by predominantly non-lawyers19:43 – The greatest threat to every law firm in America21:45 – How John stays hungry24:44 – Why life is luck29:16 – The meaning of John’s email signature (“Faith without works is dead.”)30:53 – Grow or die----Links & Resources
Kentucky Wildcats
John Calipari
Boston Red Sox
Warren Buffett
Oprah Winfrey
Google
LeBron James
Russell Westbrook
Carrabba’s
You Can’t Teach Hungry: Creating the Multimillion Dollar Firm by John Morgan
Joe Fried
President Joe Biden
Nick Saban
Tom Brady
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#1 John Morgan – Building The Google Law Firm & Why You Can’t Teach Hungry
#69 Brian Panish – Champions Compete With Themselves
#243 AMMA – Success Without Safety Nets: The Entrepreneurial Journey

Mar 14, 2024 • 24min
246. AMMA — From Burnout to Breakthrough: The Key Differences Between Winners and Losers
As the saying goes: ambition is common, commitment is rare.Many desire greatness but few dedicate themselves to doing everything possible to achieve their objectives. But what does it really take?In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill will teach you:
The habits and behaviors that all high-performers emulate
The difference between being busy and being productive
How to cultivate more discipline and commitment to achieving what you set out to do
----Show Notes:05:35 – How to turn low performers into high performers10:21 – How to break the cycle of late nights and long hours at the office13:11 – How to get more done in less time17:20 – Why not all goals are equal20:14 – The difference between “should” and “must”----Links & Resources
Chris Voss
Huberman Lab Podcast
David Goggins
The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast
Parkinson’s Law
Crisp Coach
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#158 Alex Hormozi – The Power of Humility in Achieving Entrepreneurial Success
#187 Dan Martell – Buy Back Your Time: Get Unstuck, Reclaim Your Freedom, and Build Your Empire
#239 AMMA – Raise Your Standards

Mar 12, 2024 • 45min
245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations
Nearly every kind of feedback — whether you agree with it or not — can be used to help you grow. Sheila Heen knows this well.As the founder of Triad Consulting Group, professor of practice at Harvard Law School, and the co-author of Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well and Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most, Sheila has spent nearly 30 years helping executive teams across the world work through conflict, repair working relationships, and make sound decisions together.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Sheila and Michael Mogill discuss:
The underlying structure and challenge of every difficult conversation
The different types of feedback leaders can give — and what actually works
How to raise tough issues and have productive conversations
----Show Notes:07:34 – The single most valuable skill you can have14:57 – Defining difficult conversations17:58 – How to navigate a tough talk20:57 – Not everything is either/or23:22 – Starting difficult conversations with a third story29:35 – The 3 types of feedback34:24 – Navigating sensitivity38:44 – Front seat leader, back seat feedback42:10 – What being a game changer means to Sheila Heen----Links & Resources
Triad Consulting Group
Harvard Law School
Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well by Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen
Difficult Conversations: How to Discuss What Matters Most by Douglas Stone, Bruce Patton, and Sheila Heen
Occidental College
The Harvard Negotiation Project
Bruce Patton
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success by Carol Dweck
Getting It Done by Roger Fisher. John Richardson, and Alan Sharp
Tesla
The Game Changing Attorney by Michael Mogill
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#162 Kim Scott – Radical Candor: How to Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity
#166 John Maxwell
#217 AMMA – The Key to Clarity in Business

Mar 7, 2024 • 40min
244. Rex Elliott — Committed to Impact: Transforming Adversities into Opportunities [Encore Edition]
When you encounter a lawyer committed to advocating for the underprivileged with unwavering determination, you know you've found someone truly exceptional.Rex Elliott embodies that dedication. His life's mission revolves around assisting those deprived of opportunities, relentlessly pursuing cases others shy away from — and that resolve has defined his remarkable success.In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Rex joins Michael to explore:
Strategies for harnessing media attention in high-profile cases
The profound lessons gleaned from setbacks rather than triumphs
The transformative potential of attorneys to effect positive change in society
----Show Notes:07:20 – Take a new perspective: I’ve learned many lessons over the years thanks to the things that have happened to me, both good and bad. During the low moments, I've tried to see through that particular problem and figure out why it was that that was happening to me at the time. If you're not listening and observing those kinds of things, you'll miss them.09:56 – A game changing case: Willie Gladdens was on death row for killing his white girlfriend’s former white ex-boyfriend out of self-defense. At the time, I was at a big firm, and our job was to get him off of death row — and we did that. He even managed to get out of prison and live a productive life later on. That’s when I felt for the first time that my license to practice law was being used in the way that God intended me to use it. I was helping another person who needed it the most.14:44 – Leverage the media: The media can be a powerful partner with you in terms of getting your message out. I’ve always used the media as a member of our team, and if you’re good to them and never misstate things to them, they will be powerful partners for you. 19:02 – Putting an end to hazing: There are 18- to 22-year-old kids living within a system that was created for them by adults. We need to focus on the national organizations and the universities to put a stop to this. We have had a hazing death on a college campus in this country every single year since 1959, and it's become my mission to do everything I can to end hazing altogether.23:25 – Canceling the Greek system’s pledge programs: They're antiquated, they're archaic, and there's absolutely no purpose for a pledge program anymore. That's where all these deaths and injuries are occurring because there's an imbalance of power. I think we need to eliminate pledge programs in general. One more death on a college campus in this country is too much.----Links & Resources
Denison University
Syracuse University
Sullivan & Cromwell
National Football League
Willie Gladdens
Donovan Lewis
Ben Crump
Stone Foltz
Collin Wiant
Bowling Green University
Entrepreneurs’ Organization
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#209 Mark Lanier – A Lasting Legacy of Justice, Truth, and Billion-Dollar Verdicts
#178 Brian Panish – Champions Compete with Themselves
#241 AMMA – The Brutally Honest Guide to Public Speaking


