SaaS Backwards - Reverse Engineering SaaS Success

Ken Lempit
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Apr 11, 2025 • 36min

Ep. 161 - Is User-Based Pricing Dead? How AI Is Reshaping SaaS Monetization

Send us a textGuest: James D. Wilton, Founder & Managing Partner of Monevate -- The advent of AI is forcing a complete rethink of traditional SaaS pricing—particularly the long-standing dominance of user-based pricing. In this episode, pricing strategist James Wilton explains why AI-native products are undermining the foundations of per-seat pricing models. Unlike traditional SaaS, where users are the proxy for value, AI tools often perform tasks autonomously, disconnecting cost from usage in unpredictable ways. As a result, the most value-aligned and sustainable pricing approach for AI-powered platforms is shifting toward usage-based models. Wilton argues: "If you’re still defaulting to user-based pricing, you’d better be ready to defend it."📌 Other Takeaways:Misaligned Incentives in AI PricingWith AI, the metric that drives cost (compute) is often not the same as the metric that reflects customer value—creating tension between profitability and value-based pricing.The Rise of Usage-Based PricingAs automation and AI reduce the need for additional users, user-based pricing loses its relevance. Usage-based models offer better alignment with customer value and revenue scalability.Customer Expectations Are ChangingEnterprises prioritize cost predictability. Even in AI-native environments, buyers want fixed pricing or capped usage tiers to maintain budget certainty.Real-World Example: Help Scout’s PivotWilton shares a case study on Help Scout’s move from per-user to “contacts helped” pricing. The shift improved customer satisfaction, better aligned with value delivered, and even offered greater revenue predictability.📚 James Wilton’s Book: Capturing Value: The Definitive Guide to Transforming SaaS Pricing Get the blueprint for designing pricing that drives both growth and profitability without shortchanging strategy.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Apr 4, 2025 • 39min

Ep. 160 - AI Is Rewriting the SaaS Playbook—Are You Ready?

Rob Curtis, a fintech entrepreneur with over $25 million raised for his AI-native apps, joins AI advisor James Ollerenshaw, who boasts a decade of experience in the field. They discuss how AI is reshaping the SaaS landscape, emphasizing that agility and niche specialization are vital for success. The conversation highlights the rise of agentic AI, the importance of speed over traditional execution, and how data can serve as a competitive moat. Leaders must rethink strategies or risk being outpaced in this rapidly evolving environment.
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Mar 28, 2025 • 32min

Ep. 159 - Why Full-Cycle Reps Are Beating Your SDRs

Send us a textGuest: Guy Rubin, Founder & CEO at Ebsta -- Most B2B SaaS leaders know their top performers carry the team, but few understand why the performance gap keeps widening. The reality is that just 14% of reps are now responsible for 80% of revenue, and the gap between A-players and everyone else has grown to 11x. Fixing this isn’t about more training or new tools—it’s about creating consistent, data-driven sales execution across the entire go-to-market team.In this episode, Guy Rubin, Founder & CEO of Ebsta, shares insights from the 2025 B2B GTM Benchmark Report (in partnership with Pavilion) and explains how SaaS companies can close the performance gap, improve forecast accuracy, and drive revenue by making data and behavior work together.Key Takeaways:Top Performers Win with Consistency: The biggest gap isn’t talent—it’s execution at every stage of the funnel.AI Enables Better Selling, Not More Noise: When AI is used to extract insights, not automate spam, it becomes a game-changer.Full-Cycle Reps Are Back: 45% of companies are ditching the SDR model in favor of holistic sales ownership.Engagement Drives Forecast Accuracy: Momentum scoring predicts risk before it’s too late to course-correct.Success = Process + Behavior + Data: Sales isn’t just about gut feel anymore—it’s finally becoming data-driven.Guy offers CROs and CMOs a blueprint to scale what works, eliminate what doesn’t, and win more consistently—making this episode a must-listen.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Mar 14, 2025 • 32min

Ep. 158 - 97% of SaaS Churn at First Opportunity is Decided in the First 90 Days—Onboarding Is the Key

Send us a textGuest: Srikrishnan Ganesan, Co-Founder & CEO of Rocketlane -- Most B2B SaaS leaders know that onboarding is important but underestimate its impact. The reality is that 97% of churn at first opportunity is decided in the first 90 days, making onboarding the most critical stage in the customer journey and the defining factor in revenue growth and long-term customer success.In this episode, Sri Ganesan, Co-Founder and CEO of Rocketlane, shares how SaaS companies can transform onboarding from a fragmented process into a strategic advantage. From community-led growth to automation-driven efficiency, he reveals what top SaaS companies do differently to drive retention, expansion, and revenue acceleration.Key Takeaways:Onboarding Determines Retention & Growth: The first 90 days define whether customers will churn or expand.Community-Led Growth Builds Credibility: Building an engaged audience before launch fosters trust and momentum.Automation Eliminates Inefficiency: Siloed tools slow teams down; all-in-one platforms drive success.Market Validation is Critical: The biggest factor in startup success isn’t the product—it’s picking the right market. Sri shares actionable strategies for SaaS CMOs and CROs to create onboarding experiences that drive retention, expansion, and revenue acceleration—making this episode a must-listen.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Mar 7, 2025 • 28min

Ep. 157 - AI is Reshaping B2B Marketing—Are You Ready?

Send us a textGuest: Christina Richards, Fractional CMO & Author of Rise of the AI-Powered CMO -- Most B2B marketers think they’re using AI effectively. The reality? Many are barely scratching the surface—and failing to leverage AI as a true revenue driver. Christina Richards, fractional CMO and author of Rise of the AI-Powered CMO, breaks down how AI is transforming go-to-market strategies, reshaping demand generation, and redefining the role of marketing leaders in B2B SaaS.The biggest shift? AI is moving from a tool for efficiency to an autonomous operator, changing how marketers engage customers, optimize campaigns, and drive pipeline growth. Those who fail to adapt will fall behind competitors who are already leveraging AI-driven personalization, predictive lead scoring, and hyper-targeted ad strategies.Christina shares actionable insights on how B2B CMOs and CROs can embrace AI—not just for automation, but as a strategic advantage to accelerate growth and revenue.Key Takeaways:AI is Now Critical Infrastructure: It’s no longer just a tool for automation—it’s transforming how companies generate revenue.CMOs Must Become Revenue Architects: The role of marketing leaders is shifting from brand builders to full-funnel revenue drivers.AI-Driven Search is Changing SEO: If your content isn’t optimized for AI-generated search, your audience may never find you.Agentic AI is Here: Autonomous AI agents are moving from experiment to execution—marketers must prepare now.First-Party Data is a Competitive Advantage: With hyper-personalization on the rise, companies that don’t own their audience data will struggle to compete.Get ready to rethink your marketing strategy in the age of AI—or risk being left behind.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Feb 28, 2025 • 37min

Ep. 156 - Why Traditional Sales Prospecting is Broken (And What to Do Instead)

Send us a textGuest: Zach Wright, Co-Founder & CRO of Syft AI -- Most sales teams are still stuck in outdated prospecting tactics—mass email sequencing, generic outreach, and hoping something sticks. The reality? These methods are failing fast, and sellers who rely on them are drowning in low response rates and missed pipeline goals.Zach Wright, co-founder and CRO of Syft AI, breaks down why traditional sales prospecting is broken and what today’s B2B SaaS sellers must do differently to cut through the noise, engage decision-makers, and win more deals.The biggest mistake? Relying on volume instead of relevance. Buyers are overwhelmed with hundreds of templated emails daily, and most outreach feels impersonal, irrelevant, and easy to ignore. Instead of spamming prospects, Zach shares how AI-driven prospecting helps sales teams pinpoint the right accounts, at the right time, with the right message.He explains how top sales teams are:✅ Ditching “spray and pray” prospecting in favor of targeted, intent-driven outreach.✅ Using AI to surface active buying signals—so reps only reach out when there’s a real need.✅ Personalizing at scale without relying on ineffective AI-generated fluff.✅ Bringing cold calling back—and why it’s working better than ever.If your outbound efforts aren’t converting like they used to, this episode will change the way you think about prospecting—and show you how to start winning more meetings with high-value prospects.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Feb 21, 2025 • 34min

Ep. 155 - You’re Probably Doing Discovery Wrong—And It’s Costing You Deals

Peter Cohan, author of 'Doing Discovery', dives into the pitfalls of traditional discovery methods in B2B SaaS sales. He reveals that 80% of sales teams struggle with discovery, leading to stalled deals. Rushing to demos without quantifying customer pain is a major mistake. Cohan emphasizes turning discovery into a collaborative conversation, introducing the concept of vision reengineering to educate buyers without overwhelming them. He also shares strategies for effective role plays and the importance of understanding the buying process.
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Feb 14, 2025 • 29min

Ep. 154 - Why Some SaaS Companies Are Turning to Billboards for Measurable Growth

Send us a textGuest: Ty Tinker, Head of Analytics at AdQuick -- What if everything you thought about billboard advertising was wrong? Ty Tinker, Head of Analytics at AdQuick, breaks down the myth that out-of-home (OOH) advertising is unmeasurable and outdated. In reality, leading SaaS companies—including Dropbox, Salesforce, and Shopify—are embracing billboards, transit ads, and airport placements to drive brand awareness, accelerate sales cycles, and even generate measurable leads.Ty reveals how brands are leveraging data science, AI, and sophisticated measurement techniques (beyond old-school QR codes) to track campaign performance. He also shares why smart SaaS marketers are treating OOH as a long-term investment, not just a one-off trade show play.Key Takeaways:📊 Out-of-Home Can Be Measured: Advances in mobile device tracking, mixed media modeling (MMM), and causal inference are proving OOH’s impact on website traffic, MQLs, and pipeline growth.🚀 Credibility Wins Deals: Buyers shortlist SaaS vendors before ever visiting a website. Strategic OOH placements—especially at airports and conferences—ensure your brand is top of mind when it matters most.🎯 The Right Placement Changes Everything: SaaS brands like Shopify and Shield AI are hyper-targeting decision-makers using billboards in high-traffic business areas, conference zones, and even airport walkways.Want to see if out-of-home advertising fits your go-to-market strategy? Tune in now!---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Feb 7, 2025 • 29min

Ep. 153 - The End of the Gumball Machine: Why B2B Marketing Needs a New Playbook

Send us a textGuest: Jon Miller, Co-Founder & CEO of a Stealth AI Startup -- Jon Miller, co-founder of Marketo and former CMO of Demandbase, argues that B2B marketing’s traditional playbook—built on predictable demand generation, MQL scoring, and SDR-driven outbound—is broken. The “gumball machine” approach, where marketers expect predictable revenue by simply feeding in budget and campaigns, no longer works. Buyers have evolved, becoming more resistant to outbound tactics and opting for anonymous research. To succeed, revenue leaders must shift from short-term lead generation to long-term brand building, customer experience, and relationships.Key Takeaways:🔹 The Death of the MQL Machine: Buyers have learned to avoid traditional lead capture tactics, making it essential to rethink how marketing contributes to revenue​.🔹 Brand Awareness > Lead Generation: The most successful companies focus on being top-of-mind when buyers do enter a purchasing cycle, rather than scrambling to capture leads in the moment​.🔹 AI Will Kill the Old Content Playbook: The rise of AI-driven search and inbox filters means generic, mass-produced content won’t cut it. Instead, companies need to invest in original research, experiences, and trusted relationships​.🔹 New Metrics for Marketing Success: Instead of obsessing over short-term pipeline metrics, CMOs should measure brand perception within key accounts, engagement quality, and community strength​.This episode is a must-listen for SaaS revenue leaders struggling to adapt their go-to-market strategy in a world where buyers don’t want to be sold to.---Not Getting Enough Demos? Your messaging could be turning buyers away before you even get a chance to pitch. 🔗 Get a Free Messaging & Conversion Review We’ll analyze your website and content through the eyes of your buyers to uncover what’s stopping them from booking a demo. Then, we’ll give you a personalized report with practical recommendations to help you turn more visitors into sales conversations. And the best part? 💡 It’s completely free. No commitments, no pressure—just actionable advice to help you book more demos. Your next demo is just a click away—claim your free review now.
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Jan 31, 2025 • 38min

Ep. 152 - The Critical Shift: Adapting Your Marketing to Align with Modern Buyer Behavior

Kerry Cunningham, Head of Research at 6Sense, shares insights from the Buyer Experience Report 2024. He uncovers the new B2B buyer behavior where 85% of buyers lead conversations on their own terms. His key points emphasize the importance of demand generation over traditional lead capture strategies. With buyers already knowing their options, companies must position themselves effectively to make the shortlist. Additionally, he highlights the crucial role analysts play in the decision-making process, urging marketers to adapt their tactics accordingly.

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