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This week, we have a BTI5 book club and Kate interviews friend of the pod (and more importantly, best selling author and host of hit podcast Terrible, Thanks for Asking) Nora McInerny about her new essay book Bad Vibes Only. In this episode, they discuss the confusing nature of knowing aging is a privilege but not wanting to look it, the fallacy of elegance, Millennial work ethic, reflecting on disordered eating patterns, the art of the tendril/skank bang, why she opened with a TS quote from "Mirrorball," among other musings from this brilliant collection that invites you to exist in a state of both existential and surface-level wonder without the pressure to self-improve or find resolve in a post #girlboss America. Enjoy! Buy Bad Vibes Only here, book tour tickets here and hope you enjoy the episode! Allform is offering twenty percent off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive. Step up your sofa game today. Right now, Hungryroot is offering Be There In Five listeners 30% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to Hungryroot.com/BETHEREINFIVE, to get 30% off your first delivery and get your free veggies. That's Hungryroot.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Don't forget to use our link, so they know we sent you. Get 15% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. That's 15% off ANYTHING you order when you shop better hydration today using promo code BETHEREINFIVE at LIQUIDIV.COM. Get glasses as ever-changing as you are, with Pair. Go to paireyewear.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 15% off your first purchase. For 20% off your Kindbody at-home fertility test, go to shop.kindbody.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. Use this link for $100 off New Patient Assessments (not Pulse), and $1000 off cycles at Kindbody clinics!

This week, Kate follows up on some of the themes from last week about the lore and cultural significance of pageantry by bringing on a former pageant contestant & PR insider (and Beth!) named Cori Wallace, who chats with her about a variety of topics that extend beyond the scope of last week's drama to meander through pageants being both a reflection (and regression) of elements of modern womanhood. From more granular details like what it costs and how people win, to the mental health implications of striving for impossible standards, the ethical grey area of sponsorship cross-pollination, and coaches being pageant producers. They also share some of their own vulnerabilities for chasing validation based off of a reduced version of themselves and wonder if they ever really stopped. All in all, it's like a fireside chat between friends trying to wind through a topic they feel two ways about thoughtfully. First, however, Kate does review some of the judging criteria she forgot to go over last week, but mostly just obsesses over which part of her body is her 'carriage.'. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS ButcherBox is offering our listeners Free Turkey with their first order. Sign up today at butcherbox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and use code BETHEREINFIVE to get one 10 to 14 pound Turkey FREE in your first box. ​ Frame your photos or send someone the perfect gift today at Framebridge.com promo code BTIF for 15% off Sign up for a FREE trial at SHOPIFY.COM/bethereinfive, to start selling online today. To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Don't miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary.

A deep dive Kate put together last minute about the controversy surrounding the Miss USA pageant late last week when contestants claimed the pageant was "rigged" and/or a product of overt favoritism toward Miss Texas. Insisting she was mostly disinterested, Kate dipped her toe in, then managed to spend the whole weekend researching history, and lore, thinking about her own memories watching, all while developing an incredibly lukewarm take on a topic she knows very little about and isn't totally sure if she should support. Kate recalls covering the following: A breakdown of the Miss USA drama An appropriate reading from pop culture scripture: Chapter: Miss SC, Verse 2007 Kate asks questions about the ethics of favoritism, while clearly implying favoritism almost the entire episode Tugboat eats a cup of Ranch by accident Research about the historical context of women's exploitation for sport that she kind of hates but would've wholeheartedly done for validation An overview of the history of pageants in the U.S. and all the many ways we never stood a chance Greg interrupts for more IVF shots, Kate gets in bad mood Then maybe blames Molly McIntyre's performance in the only pageant that matters (Miss Victory) for the downfall of women Somehow Pretty Pretty Princess gets dragged into it There's still some leftover anger toward children doing a little too much food prep under age 3 on Tiktok Various catchphrases for influencer pipelines that are the hottest launchpads to stardom Kate imagines (hallucinates?) a Jovani insurrection if the Miss USA vote was stolen And so much more! Fortunately, a much more informative second episode featuring an interview with an incredible BTI5 listener/former pageant participant/former employee (Cori Wallace) in the corporate pageant system will be released in the coming days, likely early released on Patreon, this was a last-minute topic choice so thanks for your patience as we align it with the broadcast calendar! patreon.com/bethereinfive SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive. With Helix, better sleep starts now If you want to elevate your look with style that doesn't break the bank, then-join the MVMT and get 15% off today — with FREE SHIPPING and FREE RETURNS — by going to MVMT.COM/BETHEREINFIVE Build your fall wardrobe from the ground up. Visit marcfisherfootwear.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE to receive 20% off your entire purchase, valid until 12/31/22 Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual

This week, Kate answers three questions and made it into one episode after having an epiphany about 3-in-1 products and their correlation to the patriarchy, consumerism, and religion in line at a Walgreens (where she has all her best thoughts). This turducken of an episode snorkels the irony of the Dove Campaign for Real Beauty being executed alongside Axe Body Spray's incredibly sexist mid-aughts advertising and details some thoughts on her own struggles with body image over the past year that she was surprised came back up to the surface (TW: diets, EDs). Then, she does a mini deep dive of the D.A.R.E. program, including "Cartoon All-Stars," the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip of cartoons and cereal box characters who didn't want you to smoke dope, discusses the program's efficacy, then answers a listener's astute question about the role of "Just Say No" culture contributing to the boundary setting many of our elders find undesirable. Kate also discusses some nuances that may exist between Boomers and Millennials as it relates to employment, the pendulum swinging from purpose-driven employment back to not needing to find identity in employment, and how it should be okay to meet (not *exceed* your employer's expectations). Then, she goes through a lot of different topics upon being prompted about musical/lyrical pet peeves, from the Pitbull Kodak/Kodak paradigm to her FYP that's fully comprised of Gaylor Swift theories, to a controversial "Hey Soul Sister" roast that may just leave a stain on the front lobe of your left side brain. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Right now, Hungryroot is offering Be There In Five listeners 30% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to Hungryroot.com/BETHEREINFIVE, to get 30% off your first delivery and get your free veggies. That's Hungryroot.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Get glasses as ever-changing as you are, with Pair. Go to paireyewear.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 15% off your first purchase. For 20% off your Kindbody at-home fertility test, go to shop.kindbody.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout. https://bit.ly/btifkindbody Take your FREE in-depth hair consultation and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/bethereinfive.

This week, Kate attempts to reclaim the nostalgic magic of fall by detailing her feelings about dystopian Instagram-backdrop businesses and resurrects the fauxliage phenomenon to chat about manufactured coziness and the art of photo taking. She then reminisces about some of her back to school and fall-related longings, like the lore of school supply shopping, how not all spiral notebook manufacturers are created equal, the scholastic book fair, among other things. She discusses her theory about misplaced disdain for early spirited fall decor and PSLs and hypothesizes Millennials' obsession with cosplaying the coziness of yesteryear and perhaps we're chasing a time when the seasons were valued for their beauty and not resented for their role in the passage of time. She then answers listener voicemails about sexist college theme parties, talks about when she met her husband at some point, discusses Trisha Paytas naming her kid Malibu Barbie (??) and her issues with modern naming conventions, does some royals & QEII coverage and the misinformation of Nostradamus' predictions, only to be too long-winded (as usual) and need to go into a part 2 bc of all the great questions this week. Enjoy and call Kate-lilah if you ever have a question or comment (312) 379-9676 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Get 2 lbs of free-range, organic chicken breasts for free in every order when you sign up at butcherbox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and use code BETHEREINFIVE. Visit OliveandJune.com/BTIF for 20% off your first Mani System! Find your new skincare and body care favorites at OSEAMalibu.com, and get a special discount just for our listeners. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with promo code BETHEREINFIVE. You'll get free samples with every order, and orders over $50 get free shipping. You're going to want it all! Get ahead of the holiday chaos this year. Get started with Stamps.com today. Sign up with promo code BETHEREINFIVE for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, plus free postage and a free digital scale. No long-term commitments or contracts. Just go to Stamps.com, click the microphone at the top of the page, and enter code BETHEREINFIVE.

The podcast discusses topics such as navigating uncertainty, deciding to have children, IVF and fertility assessments, egg freezing and genetic testing, empowering reproductive health education, understanding female fertility, exploring options for parenthood, the truth about fertility, considering the whole family in fertility discussions, advocating for inclusive fertility benefits, and factors within and outside of our control in fertility treatments.

This week, Kate has 3 of her friends from college on the podcast following a pilgrimage to the Shania Twain residency to talk about the things that don't impress them much about Vegas (and all the ways Vegas is no longer impressed with them). Following their trips to Vegas at ages 25 and 30 (now here for Kate's 35th birthday), they've noticed some subtle changes from their party girl days, e.g., getting rejected from a day club for having a breast pump and Kate being checked in to the hotel alongside rogue fertility advice. They discuss their weekend mishaps in restaurants, hotels, and spas, discuss the Shania concert, and then honestly review some overrated hotspots on the strip. Then, they reminisce about things like sorority trauma bonding, Kate & Jasmine's early rivalry formed at Yearbook camp, and getting sued for downloading Aladdin on Limewire, among other memories, then finish with crowd-sourced listener "don't impress me" moments. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code BTIF to save an additional 15% off your first order Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive. With Helix, better sleep starts now Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual Go to SHOPIFY.COM/bethereinfive, ALL LOWERCASE, for a FREE fourteen-day trial and get full access to Shopify's entire suite of features To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMONGOODS.com/BETHEREINFIVE. Don't miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary.

This week, Kate starts by sharing her thoughts on how being fashionable in the early aughts meant to try the absolute HARDEST, a revelation that feels as glaring as her patent leather pumps after witnessing the shift in collegiate fashion upon spending "welcome weekend" in a college town. Then, she touches on Selling OC before reminiscing via reading through residual sorority stories that listeners submitted the past two years from when she was going to resuscitate the sorority series (before accidentally spending two hours last week analyzing if it was high camp instead). A variety of topics are covered, from sayings like "we plan and God laughs," to the lore of one-shoulder tops, reviews the Kingdom Chaser/Clout Chaser/Straight No Chaser Venn Diagram of sorority archetypes, discusses the sorority symbols that had the most hot-girl energy, to lusting after the mystery of a non-Greek suitor who (if you can believe it) attended college to *learn,* to name a few. Kate also discusses the differences between NPC and NPHC and then snorkels the submitted responses for how chapters sugarcoated the reasons for why a girl wasn't the right "fit" by saying things like she's "worldly" "cute" or "nice," among other adjectives that are compliments in real life but death wishes in the Greek system. However, like any true sorority girl, we always end on a positive and Kate promises this will be the last Greek Life-related ep for 2022. Enjoy! - SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Find your new skincare and body care favorites at OSEAMalibu.com, and get a special discount just for our listeners. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with promo code BETHEREINFIVE. You'll get free samples with every order, and orders over $50 get free shipping Get glasses as ever-changing as you are, with Pair. Go to paireyewear.com/BETHEREINFIVE for 15% off your first purchase For 20% off your Kindbody at-home fertility test, go to shop.kindbody.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout Go to SHOPIFY.COM/bethereinfive, ALL LOWERCASE, for a FREE fourteen-day trial and get full access to Shopify's entire suite of features. Grow your business with Shopify today Sign up with Stamps.com today. Sign up with promo code BETHEREINFIVE for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, plus free postage and a digital scale

This week, Kate discusses Bama RushTok from a slightly different angle, exploring the elaborate gender performance and implicit artifice of sorority recruitment in the context of being interpreted as [postmodern] 'camp' and a form of high art to consume, per the insight of Tiktok users @shorthouseplant and @themostes. The meaning of camp made the internet collectively melt down in 2019 following the Met Gala (given its defining characteristic being an inability to be concretely defined), but Kate attempts to explore how as a society we've embraced this incredibly unserious process with a serious level of investment perhaps due to the naïveté of those earnestly performing within these exaggerated circumstances. She also deep dove breakout star Kylan and just needed someone to talk to about the high/low of her dorm room, her pageant trajectory and [alleged] last minute switch to Bama, and her hypothesis about what's going on behind the scenes when you show up to Bama rush with a catch phrase and complete ~11 brand deals in 14 days of high exposure. Kate also spends a solid amount of time thinking of the bumping process as a sort of performance art, and talks about the increased showcasing of dancing/cheerleading talent in Tiktok videos, where the performance of sorority values in the form of costumes and choreography is not only performed for positioning among PNMs, but now to the world, and Kate's worried about the HS cheer gals being pulled out of retirement to do roundoff back handsprings in spirit skirts on concrete in the name of sisterhood seduction. Hope it's a great episode, not just a good episode! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Allform is offering twenty percent off all orders for our listeners at Allform.com/bethereinfive. Step up your sofa game today FREE Bacon for Life of your membership PLUS $100 off! Sign up today at butcherbox.com/BETHEREINFIVE and use code BONUS100 Grab your Liquid I.V. in bulk nationwide at Costco or you can get 15% off when you go to LIQUIDIV.COM and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout Go to Zocdoc.com/BETHEREINFIVE and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then start your search for a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours

This week, Kate is joined by her sister to discuss what they've been up to, e.g. their unforeseen TV debut, Kate's new appreciation for sports, and the latest updates with the "soft swinging" scandal they recorded about for Patreon in May. Then, they snorkel listener submitted topics like nostalgic foods, first day of school outfits, what it's like to be the 'planner' of the group, making new friends in a city, The Summer I Turned Pretty, favorite fictional bands, and much more. Enjoy! SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS Go to Framebridge.com and use promo code BTIF to save an additional 15% off your first order Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to HelixSleep.com/bethereinfive. With Helix, better sleep starts now Right now, Hungryroot is offering Be There In Five listeners 30% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to Hungryroot.com/BETHEREINFIVE, to get 30% off For 20% off your Kindbody at-home fertility test, go to shop.kindbody.com and use code BETHEREINFIVE at checkout Right now Ritual is offering my listeners 10% off your first three months. Visit ritual.com/BETHEREINFIVE and turn healthy habits into a Ritual