Lawyers Who Learn

Jonathan Schutrum's intellectual transformation began during COVID lockdown on nightly walks with his dog through Buffalo's winter streets. While the world shut down, the insurance defense attorney discovered philosophy podcasts that fundamentally changed how he approached legal practice. What started as curiosity evolved into a deliberate framework: treating mental fitness with the same rigor as physical training. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, explores how Schutrum applies ancient wisdom to modern insurance defense work at Dickie, McCamey & Chilcote. From Marcus Aurelius's Meditations to German philosopher Martin Heidegger's phenomenology, he views diverse intellectual pursuits as essential cross-training for the legal mind. His logic is compelling—lawyers already possess the analytical skills philosophy demands, so strengthening those muscles outside the courtroom makes you sharper inside it. Schutrum's approach extends beyond philosophy into deliberate cognitive expansion. When a Germany trip sparked intensive language learning, he discovered it offered the same mental benefits—taking him outside daily worries while exercising different parts of his mind. His visit to the unchanged Nuremberg trial courtroom, with its original 1945 leather chairs and wood paneling, reinforced how thinking across centuries and disciplines enhances legal perspective. He even applies this principle to his work soundtrack, comparing Richard Wagner's complex orchestrations—where multiple sections play different themes that converge into one melody—to managing the simultaneous elements of complex cases. As a Lawline faculty member teaching medical malpractice and strategic depositions, Schutrum embodies his core philosophy: teaching reinforces learning. His framework of "habit stacking"—layering new learning onto existing routines like podcast listening during dog walks—offers attorneys a practical path to compounding professional growth through intentional mental cross-training.  

Karen Munoz, a former personal injury attorney turned trauma-informed wellness coach, shares her inspiring journey. Rising from receptionist to managing partner, she realized her true calling lay in helping others on a deeper level. Karen discusses how yoga saved her life, emphasizing the importance of presence over notes in client interactions. She offers insights on integrating mindfulness into the legal profession, the significance of community support, and finding meaning through suffering. Ultimately, she reminds us that no one has to suffer in silence.

Colin Lachance, founder of LawQi and former manager of the Canadian Legal Information Institute, shares his mission to upskill 100,000 lawyers on AI. He emphasizes the urgency for attorneys to grasp AI fundamentals, introducing an innovative interactive sandbox for hands-on learning. Colin challenges traditional legal education by offering affordable access for bar associations. He discusses the transformative potential of AI in legal practices and his unique entrepreneurial philosophy of prioritizing impactful growth over revenue.

In this enlightening discussion, Clarissa Dominguez, a Professional Development Manager at BakerHostetler and an ICF-certified coach, shares her transformative journey from BigLaw to neuroscience coaching. She addresses the integration crisis in legal practice, advocating for emotional well-being alongside billable hours. Topics include the neuroscience of flow and spirituality in leadership, practical flow triggers, and the impact of AI on law firm values. Clarissa emphasizes reconnecting with one's internal power as essential for thriving in today's legal landscape.

Michael Grupp started his legal career at Freshfields and Hogan Lovells before founding Bryter, a workflow automation platform he calls "Lego for lawyers." Over the years he has raised $90 million, leads 100 employees across three continents, and teaches at Goethe University. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman explores Grupp's journey from Big Law associate to legal tech entrepreneur navigating the chaos of AI transformation. Based in Frankfurt, Germany, Grupp has built a company that turns repetitive legal processes into automated enterprise apps without requiring lawyers to write code. His approach to legal tech and the ups and downs of legal tech life is humour, and endurance sports. “Don’t take yourself too seriously”, he advocates, and proposes to do sports that get you to your limits. “Laughing and triathlons will keep you on the ground.” His contrarian views extend to legal education, where he teaches in Germany's eight-year training system that prepares lawyers to be judges—a career 95% won't pursue. With AI automating research and drafting, Grupp advocates radical reform: less memorization, more focus on project management, client relationships, and business skills law schools ignore. He shifts between two views of AI's impact: either lawyers drastically underestimate the irreplaceable human work they do, or the industry faces real contraction as 20-30% of billable work disappears. The conversation reveals lessons from "The Culture Code," which transformed how Grupp builds teams, and his Ironman training, which taught him that consistency beats talent—just showing up is most of the battle.

Marc W. Halpert encountered the same paralyzing problem across professions: all struggling to talk about themselves despite extraordinary credentials. The pattern was universal—high achievers frozen by fear, worried about sounding "too out there," dragging themselves through the mud instead of showcasing their value. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman sits down with Marc, a serial entrepreneur turned LinkedIn branding strategist who helps attorneys break free from the psycho-cultural programming that keeps them invisible. Marc's philosophy cuts against conventional wisdom: you're not bragging when you share your expertise—you're serving your future clients by helping them understand why you do what you do. His "know, feel, believe, do" framework transforms LinkedIn from a digital resume into a strategic platform for authentic professional visibility. The conversation reveals why legal professionals particularly struggle with self-promotion, how Marc teaches without slides to promote authentic expertise, and his counterintuitive advice on consistency of original content—post when you have something important to say, not according to arbitrary schedules. From his two published books to teaching at major law firms, Marc demonstrates how authentic visibility creates opportunity without the aggressive selling lawyers fear. For professionals stuck between imposter syndrome and the fear of appearing salesy, this episode offers strategies to finally let your value bubble up.

Fifteen years ago, Richart Ruddie survived on rice and frozen shrimp while working six months without pay, taking out negative equity from ATMs just to get by. Today, after selling his bootstrapped reputation management company for more than competitors who raised $70 million, he's building Captain Compliance—a data privacy software company protecting businesses from costly compliance violations that could mean generational wealth. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, explores Ruddie's unconventional path from valet parking luxury cars to serial legal tech entrepreneur. After a mentor advised him to intern anywhere during the 2008 financial crisis—even for free—Ruddie spent six months earning nothing while learning digital marketing at a hedge fund's startup. That SEO expertise became the foundation for Profile Defenders, which he launched in March 2011 and grew to $90,000 monthly revenue by December of that year, all while maintaining obsessive client service that included taking 3 AM calls to bury damaging content before morning meetings. Ruddie's approach defied Silicon Valley convention at every turn. He bootstrapped while competitors raised massive funding, prioritized profit over revenue growth, and let efficiency become his competitive advantage—ultimately outperforming venture-backed rivals and achieving a more successful exit despite far less capital. Now with Captain Compliance, Ruddie tackles an even bigger opportunity as privacy laws proliferate beyond California and GDPR. The stakes are higher—he's raising venture capital for the first time while managing two young children—but the market potential is staggering, with competitors selling for nearly $2 billion. His journey proves that grit, efficiency, and customer obsession can beat big budgets every time.

Johnna Story has spent three decades at Finnegan—a remarkably rare tenure in today's legal landscape. But her longevity isn't just about staying; it's about evolving a profession that barely existed when she started. As Director of Professional Development and Wellbeing, Johnna has watched attorney development transform from an afterthought into a strategic imperative. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman explores how Johnna built her 1,700+ day meditation streak using the free Insight Timer app and why she's convinced that wellbeing isn't dessert—it's the main course. Starting as an HR assistant in 1995 at a firm of 120 attorneys where professional development "wasn't really a thing," Johnna grew alongside an emerging profession that truly coalesced in the early 2000s. Today, she supports 350 attorneys at Finnegan, helping them develop the self-discipline, responsiveness, and authenticity that technology can't replicate. Johnna's approach addresses the billing hour paradox directly: taking time for wellbeing means time away from billable work. Her solution involves meeting attorneys where they are—whether through 10-minute tips on the firm's landing page, secondary trauma support for pro bono lawyers, or monthly programming with benefits providers like Cigna and Prudential. She's learned that impacting even one person counts as a win. The conversation turns vulnerable as Johnna discusses losing her mother in September 2025, revealing how complicated grief intersects with workplace authenticity. Her philosophy of "selective vulnerability" offers a framework for bringing your whole self to work while maintaining boundaries—admitting you don't know everything, being willing to learn, and recovering from mistakes. These human skills matter more than ever as AI creates knowledge gaps while demanding different competencies from emerging attorneys.

Jack Newton runs Clio with 2,000 employees and over $300 million in annual recurring revenue, yet he describes his CEO role as "a new job every quarter." His secret to sustaining energy seventeen years into building Clio isn't about winning existing markets—it's about creating entirely new categories of software that didn't exist weeks before. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman sits down with Newton at ClioCon to explore the mindset behind scaling a legal tech unicorn. Newton reveals how humility and continuous learning drive his approach, from seeking mentors among portfolio companies to studying frameworks like Simon Sinek's "The Infinite Game"—which reframes business not as zero-sum competition but as unlimited opportunity creation. Newton's keynote announcement left 2,500 attendees in stunned silence as he unveiled technology that compresses ten hours of legal work into forty-five minutes. The implications are profound: when automation handles routine tasks at scale, it doesn't eliminate lawyers—it creates massive new market opportunities. Newton draws parallels to LegalZoom, where automated forms generate enormous demand for attorney services, demonstrating how giving away commoditized work for free actually expands the entire legal market. Newton balances this demanding role by being fully present at home with his wife of twenty-two years and three teenage children, finding renewal in Vancouver's natural beauty. His philosophy challenges lawyers to stop jealously guarding routine work and instead embrace AI as a competitive advantage that could quadruple market size—transforming how legal professionals deliver value in an automated world.

Four months in a NICU changes you. For Kathryn Marquez, Global Director of Learning and Development at Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner (BCLP), those 120 days watching her three-pound, 14-ounce daughter Evie fight to survive—born with an esophagus that never fully formed—made her a better parent, professional, and leader. The whiteboard goal "to grow strong" wasn't just for her daughter; it became something she carries with her in everything she does. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, explores Kathryn's journey from a 22-year-old legal personnel assistant at Sidley Austin to her current global role. Taking notes in exit interviews—listening to departing attorneys describe their unhappiness, including one who hadn't spoken to anyone in two days—convinced her not to pursue law school and instead build a career supporting lawyers rather than becoming one. Kathryn shares how BCLP’s learning approach partners with internal practitioners to ensure a pragmatic, targeted experience, rooted in a high-performance culture that emphasizes a client-focused, human-centered, results-focused mindset. Three former high-performing partner leaders bring this approach to life, as they now coach full-time to develop BCLP’s next-generation pipeline. Other in-person programming, including their global sponsorship program, mirrors the firm’s tailored investment in their high-potential talent. The conversation turns vulnerable when Kathryn recalls meeting Dr. Nath, the surgeon who surprised her with his compassion, attentiveness, and skill, beginning that first day when he gave her his cell phone number. She still texts him six years later and uses that story when teaching client service. Drawing on Kim Scott's Radical Candor, Kathryn delivers her core challenge: high care with low challenge—avoiding hard feedback to protect feelings—is inherently unkind. True compassion means having difficult conversations, whether coaching an associate, conducting a layoff, or advocating for your child in a hospital room.