
Purely IFS with Emma and Gayle
Purely IFS is for you if you are a mental health professional who is transitioning to using the Internal Family Systems model with clients. Hosted by IFS psychotherapists Gayle Williamson and Emma Redfern, this show aims to support IFS beginners by offering clarity and discussion on the various aspects of the model and the key skills. We're also hoping that you'll get many useful additions to your IFS vocabulary and that our podcast will keep you engaged with learning this amazing approach.We put the emphasis on working as a 'pure' IFS therapist because IFS is a complete approach - it gives you just about everything you would ever need as a therapist. Combining it with other approaches not only makes it harder for beginners to master but dilutes the transformational power of what IFS offers. Join us each episode for stimulating and educational conversations.
Latest episodes

Jun 21, 2025 • 35min
What change looks like in IFS therapy: part 2
Send us a textIN THE second part of our focus on what change looks like in IFS, we talk about:the pressures to change that clients and therapists face;the concept of constraint release;the importance of encouraging our clients to work on their connection with parts inbetween sessions; and how do we handle it when a dominant protector just will not step back and allow any change.Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Jun 2, 2025 • 23min
What change looks like in IFS therapy
Send us a textTODAY we're exploring what we mean when we talk about change in IFS therapy... what are the expectations around this and how much change is actually possible? And if there is an urgent agenda for change, a key thing to consider is: who inside our client, or ourselves, is leading this? We'll also discuss what clients self-report in terms of change.As usual, we'll give useful examples and tips; and because there's a lot to this topic there will be a part two coming soon.Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Apr 16, 2025 • 27min
Practising ethically as an IFS therapist
Send us a textIN this episode, we look at the ethical aspects of working as an IFS therapist. It's a very different way of working, so the psychotherapy profession's existing, mono-minded ethical framework inevitably will not cover everything for the IFS professional. It's an important topic for those transitioning to IFS, and we cover issues around the therapeutic relationship, the therapeutic contract and IFS therapist responsibilities... as well as giving our take on the drama Adolescence!Resources referred to: Relational Ethics in Psychotherapy and Counselling in Private Practice by Caz Binstead and Nicolas Sarantakis- Professional Transitioning by Emma Redfern, in the BACP’s Therapy Today- Emma also spoke with Sally Brown about this subject on a Therapy Today podcast.- Consent in IFS Practice by Ash Chudgar for PARTS&SELF magazine.Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Feb 3, 2025 • 26min
Episode 12: the step-back process
Send us a textIn today’s episode, we’re focusing on the process of asking parts to step back. It's a part of the protocol that often causes a lot of uncertainty, about when to ask parts to step back, whether this was the right decision or not, or whether the part should have become the new target part instead. We talk about many of the different aspects of the step back process, give some case examples, and focus in on the language options - with particular focus on the difference between 'step back' and 'pull back'. Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Nov 26, 2024 • 28min
How IFS equips us as therapists and supervisors
Discover how the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model empowers therapists and supervisors! The hosts share their journeys from traditional practices to embracing IFS, highlighting its unique approach to client resistance and therapeutic relationships. They discuss turning therapist insecurities into strengths while emphasizing the importance of understanding client fatigue and internal dynamics. With insights on supervision and the transformative potential of IFS, this conversation is a treasure trove for any mental health professional.

Sep 30, 2024 • 31min
Working with polarisations: Part two
Send us a textIN part two of our focus on polarisations we look at polarisations involving more than two parts, polarisations across systems, eg, between client and therapist or parent and child; and addictive processes. We also discuss navigating conflicts in the wider world and how we can bring more Self to difficult conversations.*Details of the film we refer to: The Crisis in Gaza - Navigating difficult conversations: A Q&A with Dr Gabor Mate and Daniel Mate (available on the Science and Non-Duality website or YouTube)Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Aug 15, 2024 • 33min
Working with polarisations
Send us a textAfter taking a break for summer, we're back with a new episode focusing on polarisations.Being able to detect relationships between parts, particularly parts who are fighting against each other, has lots of benefits - including reducing the inner conflict that many people experience as well as easing any stuckness a client may be experiencing in their life.We discuss what exactly polarisations are, and suggest a three-stage progression for how a therapist might develop their skills in working with them. We give examples of common polarisations and also look at how therapist and client parts may polarise with each other.There's so much to look at here, so we'll be following up with a part two on this topic, where we'll look at addictive processes and polarisations in the wider world.Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

May 20, 2024 • 30min
Skilled Parts Detecting
Send us a textIn today's episode, we’re focusing on parts detecting - a key IFS skill to develop that is crucial to maintaining confidence and clarity in the work. We cover: - 'Universal truth' parts- The weaponising of parts- flexible thinking and not boxing parts in- examples of interesting parts detected- as well as a parts detecting test for listeners! Emma and Gayle also talk about the importance of therapist transparency, and of not claiming to offer IFS therapy if you are not actually detecting parts and using the protocols.Emma E Redfern MBACP (Snr Accred) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. Emma is a certified IFS psychotherapist as well as approved IFS clinical consultant. She edited Internal Family Systems Therapy: supervision and consultation (2022, Routledge) and authored Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners (2023, Routledge). Her most recent publication, co-edited with Helen Foot, is Freeing Self: IFS Beyond the Therapy Room (2023) .See www.emmaredfern.co.uk for details of workshops and articles as well as books. You can also follow Emma on Linked In.Gayle Williamson (MIACP) initially trained in humanistic integrative psychotherapy. She took one of the alternative routes to IFS training now available, through IFSCA and the Adler College, Canada. She works fulltime as a pure-IFS psychotherapist and also writes widely on mental health. Her most recent article 'The Myth of Mental Illness' is published in the latest IAHIP professional journal. Gayle runs small-group, online trainings and skills workshops for IFS beginners as well as group supervision. She also edited Emma's book, Transitioning to Internal Family Systems Therapy: A companion for therapists and practitioners. See www.ferneytherapy.ie for further info, resources and Gayle's articles.

Apr 22, 2024 • 22min
How our parts affect our health: part two
Exploring the interconnectedness between our bodies and internal parts, integrating therapy with physical well-being for holistic healing. Discussing 'unwellness', the ingenuity of dissociating parts, and the importance of body therapies alongside IFS sessions. Case examples include stopping anger-induced nosebleeds and addressing low energy from spiritual bypass. Emphasizing the integration of body and mind in healing within the framework of IFS work.

Apr 12, 2024 • 24min
How our parts affect our health
Exploring how internal family systems impact our health in this intriguing episode, with examples of working with clients to address pre-verbal parts, OCD-type behaviors, and physical symptoms. Insights shared on communication, bodily sensations, and the emotional impact on pregnant clients' babies.