Fierce Fatty Podcast

NEDA (National Eating Disorders Association) have been in hot water what seems like recently, but actually they have been disappointing people for a while now. If you have seen posts on social media and aren’t sure what the whole story is I have you covered today. I am talking about NEDAs anti-fatness, the firing of fat lib senior leader, a disastrous AAP guidelines response, the terrible experience of fat community members, alleged union-busting, the harmful chatbot Tessa, calling community members liars and ignoring them and finally questions around conflict of interest. PHEW! Buckle up, we are in for a ride! Correction: In the episode, I said Chevese Turner was CEO of NEDA but she was actually Chief Strategy & Policy Officer. Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/170 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers Essential listening: https://chartable.com/podcasts/fierce-fatty-podcast/reviews/KKT4nvp7 I feel seen: https://chartable.com/podcasts/fierce-fatty-podcast/reviews/odTr5XW1 International Federation of Eating Disorders Dietitians: https://substack.com/redirect/44032796-2f54-4730-b5f8-b151dcbf63ec?j=eyJ1IjoiYzhucXAifQ.5LqS022gY2yt-ZbqqdfAOunB4FrsAoRRqysGuwjUI4M  Eating Disorder Helpline Fires Staff, Transitions to Chatbot After Unionization: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ezkm/eating-disorder-helpline-fires-staff-transitions-to-chatbot-after-unionization?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email US eating disorder helpline takes down AI chatbot over harmful advice: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/31/eating-disorder-hotline-union-ai-chatbot-harm Sharon Maxwell’s (she her) 1st post about NEDA about lived experience and AAP: https://www.instagram.com/p/CoRK9HXuU3Y/ 2nd about AAP: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq80Ql9PeNl/ Chatbot: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs1jp1pPkOs/ NEDA calling her a liar:  https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs4xUNHPmn4/ Conflicts of interest: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs9CPZzL7nA/ Nia they/them thefriendineverwanted: https://www.instagram.com/p/CogX_uzOvwO/ The New Obesity Guidelines for Kids Are Appalling: https://www.self.com/story/new-childhood-obesity-guidelines#:~:text=Pediatricians%20should%20offer%20weight%2Dloss,on%20the%20CDC%20growth%20charts Eating Disorders Support ChatBot Promotes Weight Loss from Ragen Chastain: https://open.substack.com/pub/weightandhealthcare/p/nedas-union-busting-eating-disorders?r=c8nqp&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email Why I Resigned As A NEDA Ambassador: https://substack.com/redirect/3ef40366-a9ed-4574-8f6b-4278f0156516?j=eyJ1IjoiYzhucXAifQ.5LqS022gY2yt-ZbqqdfAOunB4FrsAoRRqysGuwjUI4M Serious Issues With the American Academy of Pediatrics Guidelines For Higher-Weight Children and Adolescents: https://weightandhealthcare.substack.com/p/serious-issues-with-the-american?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email Center for Body Trust open letter about Cheve: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157680391537874&substory_index=0&id=123566472873&paipv=0&eav=AfajwcAiR75t2gC3HfhG65Jqz4HFpaYwEI_HxfdexgdvT_ApSnPcwYgjJgYSeRZ64MI&_rdr Clinical Practice Guideline for the Evaluation and Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Obesity: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/peds.2022-060640/190443/Clinical-Practice-Guideline-for-the-Evaluation-and?autologincheck=redirected Preventing Obesity and Eating Disorders in Adolescents: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/138/3/e20161649/52684/Preventing-Obesity-and-Eating-Disorders-in 7 Ways to Have a Healthier Body Image in College: https://www.self.com/story/healthy-body-image-college-tips Important Reminder: Anyone Can Have an Eating Disorder: https://www.self.com/story/important-reminder-anyone-can-have-an-eating-disorder NEDA 1st statement https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq_OPCZvQPK/ NEDA 2nd https://www.instagram.com/p/CoOBd8jO7J9/ The Shira Rose: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq8zY-lr6PG/ Sharon Maxwell’s (she her) 1st post about NEDA about lived experience and AAP: https://www.instagram.com/p/CoRK9HXuU3Y/ Nia they/them thefriendineverwanted: https://www.instagram.com/p/CogX_uzOvwO/ A Union Busting Chatbot? Eating Disorders Nonprofit Puts the 'AI' in Retaliation: https://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2023/05/union-busting-chatbot-eating-disorders-nonprofit-puts-ai-retaliation Eating Disorder Helpline Fires Staff, Transitions to Chatbot After Unionization: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ezkm/eating-disorder-helpline-fires-staff-transitions-to-chatbot-after-unionization?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email https://www.labornotes.org/blogs/2023/05/union-busting-chatbot-eating-disorders-nonprofit-puts-ai-retaliation?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email Online Chat: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Online_chat Chatbot: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Chatbot Washington University School of Medicine: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Washington_University_School_of_Medicine Mental health: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Mental_health Calling community members liars and ignoring them https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs4BiC9AhDe/ NEDA knew about issues with chatbot:  https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs9RxPor-Gx/ Conflicts of interest: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs9CPZzL7nA/ Serious Issues With the American Academy of Pediatrics Guidelines For Higher-Weight Children and Adolescents: https://weightandhealthcare.substack.com/p/serious-issues-with-the-american?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email Special Edition: Dangerous New American Academy of Pediatrics Guidelines for Higher-Weight Children: https://weightandhealthcare.substack.com/p/special-edition-dangerous-new-american?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email NATIONAL EATING DISORDERS ASSOCIATION: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/133444882 Tell NEDA to STOP working with the STOP Alliance: https://www.change.org/p/tell-neda-to-stop-working-with-the-stop-alliance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Can pets eat intuitively, or do we restrict their natural instincts by limiting meal times? The discussion considers whether fat pets should undergo diets and how to approach these decisions thoughtfully. Listeners also gain insights on managing family members who express anti-fat sentiments, alongside coping strategies for weight gain during the transition to intuitive eating. The journey emphasizes body positivity and the importance of healthy conversations surrounding pet diets and human boundaries.

We have listener questions today! From plastic surgery worries to new type 2 diabetes diagnoses. From being genderqueer and fat to reclaiming the word fat in conversations. Let’s hear from you :) Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/168 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers "http://www.pronouns.failedslacker.com/ Fat trans/non binary masc folks: Jordan Underwood: https://www.instagram.com/jordallenhall/?hl=en Caleb Luna: https://www.instagram.com/dr_chairbreaker/ J Aprileo: https://www.instagram.com/comfyfattravels/ Da'Shaun L. Harrison: https://www.instagram.com/dashaunlh/ Bryan Guffey: https://www.instagram.com/blackqueeriroh/ Heart: https://www.instagram.com/transyogateacher/ Nat DiFrank: https://www.instagram.com/transfats3xedu/ the non-binary jennifer coolidge: https://www.instagram.com/trans.surrealness/ Mateo Valentino Díaz: https://www.instagram.com/happyfattransman/

So many of us are anxious about people negatively judging our appearance and body size. And let’s be real; people DO judge us and that sucks! So should we hide away and never venture out for fear of that judgement? Do people who seem to not give AF really not give AF or are they only pretending? How can we support ourselves to live with judgement from others? ALSO bonus info: I share every single cost of running a business, that business being mine! From the cost of contractors to Facebook ads and everything in between. If that doesn’t interest you skip to 27 mins in for the fat stuff. Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/167 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers

When we see headlines about the cost of fatness on society and what a terrible burden that is - are those numbers real? How do they come up with that number? We are looking at the supposed burden of fat people in Canada today and their $7.1 billion cost and working out how they got to that figure and how much of that number can be attributable to anti-fat bias and the harms living in a society dedicated to fat hate. TW: 3 mentions of O Word by mistake and anti-fat fuckery. Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/166 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers The costs of obesity in Canada have been estimated at $4.6–$7.1 billion annually: https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/migration/phac-aspc/hp-ps/hl-mvs/oic-oac/assets/pdf/oic-oac-eng.pdf Is there more to the equation? Weight bias and the costs of obesity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6964496/ Letter to the Editor: Response to Singh et al. (2018). Is there more to the equation? Weight bias and the costs of obesity. Canadian Journal of Public Health: https://doi.org/10.17269/s41997-019-00223-2 New “ob*sity” treatments and technology to save the NHS billions: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-obesity-treatments-and-technology-to-save-the-nhs-billions#:~:text=Obesity%20costs%20the%20NHS%20a,spent%20on%20key%20frontline%20services.

Dive into the complex world of weight loss surgery, where statistics meet personal tales. Discover the varying success rates and the hidden emotional challenges faced by individuals, especially in the spotlight. The discussion tackles the impact of societal pressures and the stigma surrounding body image. Find out about the often-overlooked complications and the importance of community support while navigating these tough journeys. Prepare for an eye-opening exploration that encourages empathy and self-acceptance!

Today we have listener questions! What do you say to someone who claims you are promoting fatness? What things can you do to be a helpful fat ally and what things aren’t so great? Where can I find fat trans and nonbinary masculine representation? What to say when someone comments on your unintentional weight loss due to illness? I’ve got all these covered in this episode! Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/164 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers Fat trans/non binary masc folks: Jordan Underwood: https://www.instagram.com/jordallenhall/?hl=en Caleb Luna: https://www.instagram.com/dr_chairbreaker/ J Aprileo: https://www.instagram.com/comfyfattravels/ Da'Shaun L. Harrison: https://www.instagram.com/dashaunlh/ Bryan Guffey: https://www.instagram.com/blackqueeriroh/ Heart: https://www.instagram.com/transyogateacher/ Nat DiFrank: https://www.instagram.com/transfats3xedu/ The non-binary jennifer coolidge: https://www.instagram.com/trans.surrealness/ Mateo Valentino Díaz: https://www.instagram.com/happyfattransman/ Fat Allyship: https://www.nylon.com/beauty/what-is-the-role-of-an-ally-to-the-fat-community

How do anti-fat culture and hustle culture share characteristics? How intertwined are they exactly? And what about the links to white supremacy culture? I am a recover(ed/ing) hustle culture enthusiast and long-removed anti-fat culture supporter and have observed firsthand the harms of both and how eerily similar they actually are. TW: anti-fat, classist, ableist, and healthist attitudes shared in the show. Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/163 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers White supremacy culture: https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html https://www.dismantlingracism.org/uploads/4/3/5/7/43579015/okun_-_white_sup_culture.pdf https://twitter.com/DrAmyPorto/status/1603401854725005314

Did you know that in some countries (like Ireland), people with a BMI that is deemed “too high” are unable to buy a property? Fat people are turned away from IVF clinics and their ability to parent an adoptive child can be deemed insufficient due solely to body size. We talk about these outrageous denials of basic opportunities and eugenics that fat people experience in this episode. TW: mention of BMI and weight plus anti-fat bias. Episode show notes: http://www.fiercefatty.com/162 Support me on Ko-Fi and get the Size Diversity Resource Guide: https://ko-fi.com/fiercefatty/tiers The Misguided Logic of Deporting Fat People: https://archive.is/1e2Hd#selection-427.0-432.0 Too fat to live here?: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/8970683/Too-fat-to-live-here Too fat for NZ: Mum can't lose weight fast enough for immigration officials: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300341891/too-fat-for-nz-mum-cant-lose-weight-fast-enough-for-immigration-officials Bank refuses to release mortgage for woman deemed at higher Covid risk: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bank-refuses-to-release-mortgage-for-woman-deemed-at-higher-covid-risk-1.4517854 Flare: Fat Legal Advocacy, Rights, & Education : https://www.flareproject.org/ Intuitive Eating Counsellor: https://www.instagram.com/intuitive.eating.ireland/ Too fat to adopt - the married, teetotal couple rejected by council because of man's weight: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2009/jan/13/adoption-rejected-couple BMI Criteria for Adoption: https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/directory-record/66750/bmi-criteria-for-adoption Guidance on Overweight Adopters: https://www.proceduresonline.com/adoptnortheast/raa/files/overweight_adopters.pdf We were turned down for adoption for being obese: https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/23/we-were-turned-down-for-adoption-for-being-overweight-2-15462005/ Obese Face Obstacles in Adoption Process: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=3429655&page=1 Should there be a weight cutoff for IVF? Firestorm of debate over denying fertility treatments to obese women: https://nationalpost.com/health/should-there-be-a-weight-cutoff-for-ivf-firestorm-of-debate-over-denying-fertility-treatments-to-obese-women#:~:text=In%20B.C.%2C%20private%20IVF%20clinics,with%20a%20BMI%20over%2038 When You’re Told You’re Too Fat to Get Pregnant: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/18/magazine/fertility-weight-obesity-ivf.html?fbclid=IwAR22Z_wKX0-LyGPhMhnWPaHWjXZn6vw3e-TejXQS3nLic-xsaI21NdwoGyI Infertility: https://archive.is/8eGnm#selection-1355.0-1355.11 How is weight and height (BMI) used in life insurance?: https://protectyourwealth.ca/height-and-weight-impact-on-life-insurance-canada/#one Yes, You Can Still Be Fired for Being Fat: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-03-15/weight-discrimination-remains-legal-in-most-of-the-u-s At Victoria Hospital, Obese Job Candidates Need Not Apply: https://www.texastribune.org/2012/03/26/victoria-hospital-wont-hire-very-obese-workers/ Most Americans Are Too Fat to Donate their Bodies to Science: https://www.vice.com/en/article/vvjz3d/most-americans-are-too-fat-to-donate-their-bodies-to-science Overweight and Obesity Statistics: https://archive.is/pRI5D#selection-1345.1-1345.34

If you went to school and were/are fat then there is a sizeable chance that you have a least some stories to tell about the harm your experienced, specifically about physical education (PE) classes. From government-mandated fitness tests to running around the track in shame many people have had heartbreakingly awful experiences that have turned them off formal exercise, sometimes for good, destroyed self-esteem and created eating disorders. TW: some pretty awful stories of abusive treatment of kids.