

The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan
Foundr Media
Hear the stories, learn the proven methods, and accelerate your growth and future through entrepreneurship. Welcome to The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan.
About the show:
For over a decade, The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan has been a leading entrepreneurship podcast for open-book conversations with, by, and for founders. Whether you're starting, building, or dreaming about your business, The Foundr Podcast is where you can access experienced founders who've been in your shoes to learn their proven methods, lessons from failure, and inspirational stories.
Past guests include Emma Grede, Mark Cuban, Neil Patel, Kendra Scott, Alex Hormozi, Trinny Woodall, Tim Ferriss, Sophia Amoruso, Simon Sinek, Tony Robbins, Amy Porterfield, Ed Mylett, Michelle Zatlyn, Reid Hoffman, Scooter Braun, Dany Garcia, Marc Lore, Ariana Huffington, Pat Flynn, Lewis Howes, Jordan Harbinger, and many more.
About the host:
Nathan Chan is the CEO of Foundr and the creator of The Foundr Podcast. Chan literally started from knowing nothing. He was just an average guy working in a 9-5 job he utterly hated. He knew nothing about entrepreneurship, nothing about startups, nothing about marketing, and nothing about online or how to build a business. In the past decade, Chan's built Foundr into a global leader in entrepreneurial education, helping tens of thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs start and scale their businesses.
Need help with your business?
Visit foundr.com/foundrplustrial to join a global community of entrepreneurs, gain access to proven strategies, and fast-track your business growth confidently.
About the show:
For over a decade, The Foundr Podcast with Nathan Chan has been a leading entrepreneurship podcast for open-book conversations with, by, and for founders. Whether you're starting, building, or dreaming about your business, The Foundr Podcast is where you can access experienced founders who've been in your shoes to learn their proven methods, lessons from failure, and inspirational stories.
Past guests include Emma Grede, Mark Cuban, Neil Patel, Kendra Scott, Alex Hormozi, Trinny Woodall, Tim Ferriss, Sophia Amoruso, Simon Sinek, Tony Robbins, Amy Porterfield, Ed Mylett, Michelle Zatlyn, Reid Hoffman, Scooter Braun, Dany Garcia, Marc Lore, Ariana Huffington, Pat Flynn, Lewis Howes, Jordan Harbinger, and many more.
About the host:
Nathan Chan is the CEO of Foundr and the creator of The Foundr Podcast. Chan literally started from knowing nothing. He was just an average guy working in a 9-5 job he utterly hated. He knew nothing about entrepreneurship, nothing about startups, nothing about marketing, and nothing about online or how to build a business. In the past decade, Chan's built Foundr into a global leader in entrepreneurial education, helping tens of thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs start and scale their businesses.
Need help with your business?
Visit foundr.com/foundrplustrial to join a global community of entrepreneurs, gain access to proven strategies, and fast-track your business growth confidently.
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Jan 22, 2020 • 54min
285: The Art of Mind-Blowing Open Rates, Email Flows, and Authentic Email Marketing, With Boundless Labs’ Chase Dimond
At 27, Chase Dimond is already considered a marketing veteran. In addition to overseeing the marketing teams of various companies, Dimond has also founded many of his own ventures, such as Soundjuice and ZenPup.His most recent company is Boundless Labs, an agency that focuses on email marketing for ecommerce—with a special focus on CBD companies. Thanks to its modern and human-centered approach to emails, Boundless Labs acquired 30 clients with six- to eight-figure revenues in a little over a year.Dimond has also secured mind-blowing results for those clients, such as sending emails with 40% to 70% open rates (compared to the industry average of 20% to 25%) and helping companies generate 20% to 30% of their total revenue with emails.If you’re looking to master the art of email marketing, this podcast episode with Dimond is a great place to start! He gives us a sneak peek into the best practices he uses with his own clients at Boundless Labs, along with other helpful insights.Key Takeaways
How Dimond got his start in marketing, growth, and acquisitions
An overview of Dimond’s ventures, from CBD pet products to a social media platform for musicians
Why Dimond decided to launch his email marketing agency, Boundless Labs, and how he scaled from zero to 30 clients in a year
How design sets Boundless Labs apart from the rest
Dimond’s perspective on email marketing as a source of revenue for his clients
The importance of the human touch when it comes to customer retention and acquisition
How Dimond achieves a 40-70% open rate on customer thank-you emails

Jan 15, 2020 • 1h 1min
284: Mastering the Art of Paid Media: Spending Over $85M on Facebook, With Structured Social Co-Founder Nick Shackelford
Nick Shackelford used to be a goalie for the American pro soccer team, LA Galaxy II. So how did he end up being an expert in the online ad space?After leaving the soccer league at the end of 2015, Shackelford felt limited by his career options—either training people or playing in a low soccer division—and decided to take the road less traveled instead. He gained experience in paid social media through an internship at PepsiCo. and a stint at a digital marketing agency.Shackelford used the knowledge he gained to start his own fidget spinner business called Fidgetly. This was where he further cemented his paid marketing know-how and also mastered the art of scaling quickly without breaking the bank. Even after the close of Fidgetly, Shackelford continues to put his knowledge to good use by helping brands through his online marketing, branding and consulting company, Structured Social.Whether you’re looking to learn more about scaling, media buying, or paid advertisements, Shackelford is your guy. Make sure to check out his interview to take a deeper dive into these fascinating topics!Key Takeaways
How Shackelford went from pro soccer player to intern at PepsiCo.
His experience working on paid social media campaigns for the iPhone 7, iPad Pro, and the Apple Watch
The rise of fidget spinners, and how this trend helped launch his own business Fidgetly
The discovery of Shackelford’s superpower: scaling via paid marketing
An overview of Shackelford’s work with various brands after closing Fidgetly
How he helped one company clear $10.7 million in sales in 35 days using online ads
Shackelford’s best advice for 6-figure businesses that want to accelerate growth
The traits of a good media buyer
A sneak peek from Shackelford into the new Foundr course he’s teaching

Dec 18, 2019 • 32min
281: Spartan Race’s Joe De Sena on Being in the Industry of Barbed Wire, Blood, and Bruises
Joe De Sena, like many of us, is a fitness fanatic. But his approach to fitness is a bit more...intense than most.De Sena used to participate in countless obstacle course races, Ironman events, and marathons around the world. But even those weren’t challenging enough for this hardcore athlete. That’s why, after wrapping up a decade-long career on Wall Street, De Sena decided to start his own adventure racing company.The first race De Sena hosted was on the British Virgin Islands, and it didn’t go very smoothly. That race cost De Sena half a million dollars and resulted in a participant getting lost at sea for several days.Thankfully, the races have evolved a bit since then—although are no less challenging—and are known today as the Death Race and Spartan Race, which are collectively a $60 million business that has revolutionized the world of obstacle racing.Check out this interview to learn more about De Sena’s financial, mental, and physical journey to popularizing this global franchise.Key Takeaways
De Sena’s decade-long stint on Wall Street, and how it helped fund his next venture
Why De Sena decided to start his own adventure racing company
How the very first race De Sena hosted on the British Virgin Islands went terribly wrong for one participant
The birth of Death Race and Spartan Race
Why De Sena never gave up on his company, despite losing $8 million in the process over a span of 15 years
How the network effect eventually helped the obstacle course races gain traction
The expansion of Death Race and Spartan Race to 45 countries
De Sena’s honest thoughts on work-life balance and what it takes to be an entrepreneur
A sneak peek into his latest book, The Spartan Way

Dec 10, 2019 • 48min
280: From Online Poker Affiliate to Referral Marketing Mogul: Ambassador’s Jeff Epstein Shares His Journey
Jeff Epstein paid off his law school student loans in an unconventional way.When he and a couple of friends noticed the booming online poker sites in the mid 2000s, they created an affiliate company to refer traffic to them and get paid in return. The business did well enough that Epstein was able to sell his stake to his partners for a nice profit that helped him pay off his debt.Epstein ultimately decided not to pursue law, but his entrepreneurial experience stuck with him. In particular, he recognized the power of referrals to help businesses gain more customers. As a result, Epstein eventually founded Ambassador, a referral marketing software that enables brands to build and scale referral, affiliate, partner, and influencer programs.While the journey to growing Ambassador was far from a smooth ride, Epstein picked up many valuable lessons along the way that helped him grow as both a person and an entrepreneur. Eventually, Ambassador became successful enough that it was acquired by a large corporation.Check out this interview to learn more about Epstein’s journey and hear him open up about his biggest mistakes, regrets, and lessons learned.Key Takeaways
How Epstein used his poker affiliate business to pay off law school debt
What he learned about the power of referrals in the process
Why Epstein regrets acquiring his first SEO company, and what ultimately led to its demise
How this failure informed the idea for referral marketing software, Ambassador
Why it took six months for Ambassador to get a repeat paying customer
What it was like to run a “fat” startup
How Ambassador’s acceptance into Techstars helped the company take off
The growth of Ambassador and its stressful acquisition by West Corporation

Oct 9, 2019 • 44min
271: Fighting Food Waste and Growing Fast, With Ben Chesler of Imperfect Foods
Ben Simon showed up at his college classmate Ben Chesler’s door with a giant, ugly sweet potato, plopped it down in front of him, and declared, “This is the future.” Chesler believed him.Simon had visited multiple farms in California, and discovered that 20% of the state’s produce was being thrown out, which amounted to around 3 billion pounds of unnecessary waste. Together, with their friend Ron Clark, the trio launched a service in 2015 that would save ugly, unwanted fruits and vegetables and deliver them to consumers at low prices. They called it Imperfect Foods.Thanks to an admirable mission and relatively untouched market, Imperfect Foods took off. Four years after the launch, the company now boasts six fulfillment centers in over 20 cities and more than 1,000 employees. The team is also expanding their offerings in order to fight food waste across the entire system, now offering dairy, dry goods, and canned foods to their customers as well.Learn more about food waste, the power of customer interactions, and the importance of giving employees a stake in a company in this interview with Chesler.Key Takeaways
How Chesler and Simon got their start tackling food waste in the nonprofit world
The giant, ugly sweet potato that became the catalyst for Imperfect Foods
The hilarious story of how Reddit brought in more customers for Imperfect Foods than The New York Times
Why the original founding team’s first hires were a bunch of teenagers
A look into Imperfect Foods’ massive growth over just four years
Why product-market fit wasn’t on the team’s mind until six months after the company’s launch
The brilliant marketing strategy that helped Imperfect Foods take off
The power of customer interactions
Why Chesler and the founding team make sure every single employee works in the warehouse at least once—and has access to stock options
The biggest challenges Imperfect Foods faces
Chesler’s reasoning for hiring people you have no business hiring, early on

Oct 1, 2019 • 58min
270: Using Licensing To Make Billions in Sales, With Beanstalk Co-Founder Michael Stone
If you’ve ever bought a bottle of Jack Daniels BBQ sauce or Febreze kitty litter, you’ve seen Michael Stone’s powerful approach to brand licensing in action. This attorney-turned-entrepreneur pioneered the form of corporate licensing that makes such products possible and wildly successful.Stone made his first foray into the world of licensing with the launch of his company, Beanstalk, in the mid-1990s. The firm quickly became the go-to resource for prominent brands like Procter & Gamble, Coca-Cola, and AT&T—all corporations that were eager to expand their reach into different product categories and strengthen their relationships with consumers.In 2018, Stone and his company were responsible for generating over $7 billion in retail sales of licensed product. While he stepped down as the CEO a few years ago, Stone still serves as the chairman of Beanstalk and is committed to innovation in this industry.Check out this interview to learn more about the ins and outs of licensing and to hear about Stone’s experience writing his book The Power of Licensing: Harnessing Brand Equity.Key Takeaways
Why Stone switched lanes from practicing law to pioneering brand licensing
The uncharted territory Stone noticed, and how it led to the launch of Beanstalk
The necessary components for successful corporate brand licensing
How Beanstalk became the go-to resource for prominent brands
An explanation of why Febreeze is a better candidate for expansion via licensing than Citibank
Handing over the reins of a business that was responsible for over $7 billion in sales in 2018
Why Stone decided to stick with his existing niche instead of starting multiple new businesses
Stone’s honest warning for aspiring entrepreneurs

Sep 10, 2019 • 31min
267: How TOMS Founder Blake Mycoskie Blazed a Trail for Social Entrepreneurs
Blake Mycoskie had a number of hits and misses as a young entrepreneur, but it was a trip to Argentina that inspired the idea that would become his mission—and end up having a huge impact on the business world.Mycoskie wanted to find a way to help the children he encountered who didn’t have proper footwear, but he wanted to do it in a for-profit, self-sustaining way. That’s how TOMS came to life.From there, Mycoskie blazed a trail in the way companies think about social good, by popularizing the one-for-one giving model and building the beloved brand that still exists today. TOMS generates hundreds of millions in sales and still stays true to its mission of giving back to communities around the world.Check out this episode to learn more about Mycoskie’s advice for those who want to pursue social entrepreneurship, the business model that led to his success, and the expansion of TOMS into other types of products.Key Takeaways
Why the idea of a “job” was foreign to Mycoskie growing up
How Mycoskie’s entrepreneurial spirit led to him founding everything from a laundry service to a reality cable television channel
The trip to Latin America that inspired the idea for TOMS Shoes
How Mycoskie changed the social entrepreneurship game with his one-for-one model
Why social good isn’t necessarily the right path for every business
Mycoskie’s personal reasons for selling half of TOMS to Bain Capital
How TOMS was able to grow completely organically through social media when it launched in 2006
The journey to achieving millions in revenue and donations
The reasons behind TOMS’ expansion into eyewear, coffee shops, and more
How Mycoskie continues to innovate despite a lack of background in apparel design
Mycoskie’s best advice on choosing the right partners and building a sustainable business

Aug 14, 2019 • 1h 1min
263: From Food Writer to Digital Entrepreneur: Ed Levine’s Journey to Launching an Award-Winning Culinary Website
In business, everyone wants to win.But sometimes it’s the people who refuse to lose who end up finding success. This is the mindset that food writer, author, and founder of the website Serious Eats carried with him throughout the ups and downs of his career. This tumultuous journey is also the primary focus of his latest book Serious Eater: A Food Lover’s Perilous Quest for Pizza and Redemption.In this interview, Levine shares the details of how he got into food writing, experimented with media platforms to diversify the way he told stories about food, and ultimately bootstrapped the money needed to launch Serious Eats. From struggling with being profitable to testing his tolerance for risk, Levine shares the sacrifices he had to make to keep his company alive for the eight years leading up to its sale.If you want an unflinching look at the challenges of entrepreneurship, this is your chance. Levine speaks with candor about the toughest aspects of launching a startup and dispels the most common myths around starting a business.Key Takeaways
Why Levine published his first book, New York Eats, while working his day job at an ad agency
How the book kickstarted Levine’s career as a food writer
The various media platforms, from TV to radio, he experimented with to expand the way he told stories about food
How Levine’s desire to control his own fate creatively and financially inspired him to launch his first blog in 2005
The journey to bootstrapping enough money to launch Serious Eats
Levine’s struggles with making Serious Eats consistently profitable
Why knowing the limits of your (and your partner’s) tolerance for risk is critical
The financial and emotional costs associated with bootstrapping a business
How Levine’s childhood experiences contributed to his “refuse-to-lose” mentality with Serious Eats
How Serious Eats organically attracted up to 8 million unique visitors per month and was eventually sold in 2015
Why the startup mantra of “fail early and often” didn’t apply to this 52-year-old digital entrepreneur
A sneak peek into Levine’s book Serious Eater: A Food Lover’s Perilous Quest for Pizza and Redemption, which captures the unspoken side of starting a business
Why Levine believes the most important business lessons can’t be learned without starting a business
How Levine defines success
Final thoughts on what it took to build a tribe of people who are passionate about food

Aug 6, 2019 • 49min
262: A Deep Dive Into What Makes or Breaks Habits, With Nir Eyal
When Nir Eyal has a burning question (which he frequently does), he goes on the hunt for an insightful answer.That curiosity is what led Eyal to publish his first and wildly popular book, Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products. He was inspired to delve into this topic after launching a startup in the advertising and gaming industry, where he observed that product design had the powerful ability to change human behavior. Eyal wondered why some companies were so good at it while others failed.In this fascinating interview, we chat with Eyal about his early days as an entrepreneur, the behavioral model behind forming habits and get a sneak peek into Eyal’s upcoming book Indistractable: Mastering the Skill of the Century.Plus, Eyal uses Nathan as a live case study and shares his best tips for breaking bad habits!Whether you’re an entrepreneur who wants to better understand the link between product design and human behavior, or you’re an individual looking for tangible ways to build better habits, this is an episode you don’t want to miss.Key Takeaways
The story behind Eyal’s successful startups in the solar power, advertising, and gaming industries
How observing the behavior change through product design led to a burning question in Eyal’s mind
Eyal’s journey to understanding the deeper psychology behind how products are designed to be habit forming
The principles behind the Hook Model, and how the Bible is a perfect example
How Eyal’s own book inadvertently helped him improve his physical fitness
How his desire to control his attention inspired Eyal’s upcoming book Indistractable: Mastering the Skill of the Century
A sneak peek into techniques from Eyal’s new book to help people overcome internal triggers
A live case study with Nathan to help him address the habits he wants to break
Why high levels of distraction at a company are usually symptoms of a bigger problem

Jun 12, 2019 • 1h 12min
254: A Behind-The-Scenes Look at How Foundr CEO Nathan Chan Built A Global Brand
Success doesn’t happen overnight.This is something Foundr CEO Nathan Chan knows all too well. Before he started his business, Nathan was in a common predicament: he hated his job and he had no idea what career path to take. It took many steps to plant the seed that eventually became Foundr.Even then, it wasn’t an easy path forward. He stayed in his job long after starting Foundr, and at one point, Nathan even launched a webinar from his parents’ basement. There was no magic involved—only hard work, strategic decisions, and many lessons learned.In this video interview, Dave Hobson, our Head of Growth and Marketing and one of the first to join the Foundr team, has a raw conversation with Nathan about his journey to building a global brand. Nathan opens up about what it took to get Foundr off the ground, shares the key takeaways he picked up along the way, and reveals the nitty gritty details around how he turned a webinar presentation he hacked together into a multimillion-dollar product.This episode is chock-full of sage advice, life lessons, and even an embarrassing story or two from our CEO’s humble beginnings that you’ll definitely want to hear.Key Takeaways
How Nathan went from working at an IT job he hated to launching a digital magazine
The steps Nathan followed to turn a webinar presentation to a multimillion-dollar digital product
How falling into the trap of seeking perfection will prevent you from reaching your goals
The difference between “painkiller” and “vitamin” products
Why it’s so critical to build an audience and test your ideas first
How to use concepts like “a thousand true fans” and the “Oprah strategy” to create a successful business


