
That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast
Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!
Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!
That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Latest episodes

Dec 20, 2022 • 2h 15min
Intersecting Lives & Heartfelt Passages w/ Andy Karl
This week Kara and Liza do the unthinkable and recap two episodes - “Intersecting Lives” & “Heartfelt Passages” (Season 17, Episodes 22 & 23), they dissect the horrific crimes of former police officer Daniel Holtzclaw, and they have a riveting chat with Andy Karl aka Sergeant Mike Dodds aka “Baby Dodds.”SOURCES:The OklahomanBuzzfeed NewsThe New York TimesThe Washington Post 1The Washington Post 2The Washington Post 3ReutersThe Daily BeastCNNWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:Women’s Prison Associationhttps://www.wpaonline.org/Next week’s episode will be “Persona” (Season 10, Episode 8). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dec 13, 2022 • 1h 60min
Zebras w/ Mike Doyle
This week Liza and Kara discuss the iconic episode “Zebras” (Season 10, Episode 22), examine the tragic murder of Kendra Webdale, and chat with the legendary Mike Doyle aka Forensics Tech Ryan O'Halloran. SOURCES:The New York Times 1The New York Times 2The New York Times 3The New York Times 4The New York Daily NewsWikipedia - Kendra's LawNew York MagazineGothamistWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:Treatment Advocacy Centerhttps://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/Next week’s episodes will be “Intersecting Lives” & “Heartfelt Passages” (Season 17, Episodes 22 & 23). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dec 6, 2022 • 1h 57min
Perverted w/ Emma Myles
In this episode, Liza and Kara break down “Perverted” (Season 11, Episode 9). Then they take on faking DNA, the scientific cons of Fred Zain, and the wild world of biker gangs. Plus, they have a great conversation with the wonderful Emma Myles (Orange Is the New Black).SOURCES:GrungeInternational Journal of Motorcycle StudiesHells-angels.comThe New York Times 1The New York Times 2Forensic Science InternationalWikipedia - Fred ZainThe Herald-DispatchWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:One Simple Wishhttps://www.onesimplewish.org/Next week’s episode will be “Zebras” (Season 10, Episode 22). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 29, 2022 • 2h
Dominance w/ Caren Browning
This week Kara and Liza recap “Dominance” (Season 4, Episode 20), analyze the horrific Wichita Massacre, and chop it up with the delightful Caren Browning aka CSU Captain Judith Siper.SOURCES:The New York TimesOxygenWichita-massacre.comNewsweekUS NewsThe Topeka Capital-JournalLawrence Journal-World 1Lawrence Journal-World 2Wichita State UniversityForgottenvictims.comCNNThe Washington TimesCBS NewsKAKEKansas State University FoundationJason Befort Memorial TournamentMental FlossWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:‘Sibling Bullying and Abuse: The Hidden Epidemic’ by Darlene Lancer, JD, LMFThttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/toxic-relationships/202002/sibling-bullying-and-abuse-the-hidden-epidemicNext week’s episode will be “Perverted” (Season 11, Episode 9). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 22, 2022 • 1h 45min
Secrets Exhumed w/ Roscoe Orman
Today Liza and Kara break down the much-requested “Secrets Exhumed” (Season 14, Episode 14), recount the unbelievable story behind the murder of Sherri Rasmussen, and have a chat with the iconic Roscoe Orman (Sesame Street).SOURCES:Vanity FairWikipedia - Murder of Sherri RasmussenThe Huffington PostAll That’s InterestingThe New York Times 1The New York Times 2JCS - Criminal Psychology - The Interrogation of Stephanie LazarusThe Daily NewsThe AtlanticDeadlineWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:‘Matthew McGough: The Lazarus Files’ on the Wicked Words podcast:https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/matthew-mcgough-the-lazarus-files/id1538204210?i=1000570277307Next week’s episode will be “Dominance” (Season 4, Episode 20). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 15, 2022 • 2h 5min
Unorthodox w/ Zoe Lister-Jones
On today’s episode, Liza and Kara recap “Unorthodox” (Season 9, Episode 13), discuss the crimes of Yehuda Kolko and what happened at an Allentown, PA elementary school in 2007. Plus they have a fun chat with the multi-talented Zoe Lister-Jones (Life in Pieces, The Craft: Legacy).SOURCES:The New York Times 1The New York Times 2The New York PostWikipedia - Yeshiva Torah TemimahAsbury Park PressNew York MagazineNBC NewsThe United States Department of JusticePocono RecordThe Morning CallWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:ZA’AKAH - Dedicated to advocating for survivors of child sexual abuse in the Orthodox Jewish community.https://www.zaakah.org/Next week’s episode will be “Secrets Exhumed” (Season 14, Episode 14). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 8, 2022 • 1h 49min
Harm w/ Steven Weber
Today Kara and Liza dive into the unsettling episode “Harm” (Season 9, Episode 5), dissect the horrors of Abu Ghraib, and speak to the wonderful Steven Weber (Wings, Chicago Med).SOURCES:The New Yorker 1The New Yorker 2NPRThe New York TimesThe Washington PostCNNWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:‘The Ballad of Abu Ghraib’ by Philip Gourevitch and Errol Morrishttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/301042/the-ballad-of-abu-ghraib-by-philip-gourevitch/Next week’s episode will be “Unorthodox” (Season 9, Episode 13). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Nov 1, 2022 • 2h 11min
Bullseye w/ Stephen Tobolowsky
This week, Liza and Kara follow the wild twists of “Bullseye” (Season 12, Episode 2), discuss the heartbreaking case of Kim Sa-rang, and have an inspiring chat with the legend, Stephen Tobolowsky (Groundhog Day, Silicon Valley).SOURCES:CNN 1CNN 2Kotaku 1Kotaku 2The Daily BeastThought MaybeNBC NewsPsychiatric NewsAmerican Psychiatric AssociationWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:‘What are the Signs of Video Game Addiction?’https://www.healthygamer.gg/blog/what-are-the-signs-of-video-game-addictionNext week’s episode will be “Harm” (Season 9, Episode 5). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 25, 2022 • 2h 3min
Paternity w/ Isabel Gillies
Episode 100! This week Kara and Liza recap “Paternity” (Season 9, Episode 9), discuss the tragic case of Christina Long, and speak to the one and only Isabel Gillies AKA Kathy Stabler!SOURCES:CBS NewsLA TimesFindLawThe News-TimesNY Times 1NY Times 2Westchester MagazineWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:‘Online Dating and Dating App Safety Tips’https://www.rainn.org/articles/online-dating-and-dating-app-safety-tipsNext week’s episode will be “Bullseye” (Season 12, Episode 2). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Oct 18, 2022 • 1h 39min
Alta Kockers w/ Michael Kostroff
Liza and Kara break down the seminal episode “Alta Kockers” (Season 20, Episode 10), unearth the story of the fabled Collyer brothers, and talk to the gregarious thespian and teacher Michael Kostroff (The Wire, Billions).SOURCES:Wikipedia - Murder of Angie ZapataGlaad.orgThe Denver PostWikipedia - JT LeRoyVanity FairWikipedia - Collyer brothersNew York Daily NewsAmusing PlanetAll That's InterestingNY TimesWHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:The Angie Zapata Murder: Violence Against Transgender People Resource Kithttps://www.glaad.org/resourcekits/angiezapataNext week’s episode will be “Paternity” (Season 9, Episode 9). See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.