Verse Talks

Kenny Schachter joins Leyla, Jay, Jamie & Ivan to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, content coins and Rodeo's pivot to USD.01:00 - Welcome Kenny Schachter03:20 - Building an audience in a pre-internet world06:30 - Embracing authenticity and integrity 09:00 - Art as a means of social expression 12:49 - Closed mindedness in the art world 15:35 - NFT-ism 19:35 - Dealing with criticism 23:03 - A new audience and the appeal of NFTs 25:40 - Rebuilding the reputation of the NFT space 32:01 - Will the art world and the NFT space ever merge? 35:15 - Presence, reputation and engaging with community 39:50 - Technology and the impact of the computer 44:07 - Surviving in the current landscape 50:12 - Institutional and critical impact vs social media 52:20 - Finding opportunity in failure 01:01:27 - William Mapan and Sketchbook B 01:05:12 - Generative art in 2025 01:09:00 - How do you help to break new artists 01:10:47 - Tinysoul, Zora and content coins 01:19:15 - The impact of monetisation on creativity 01:28:25 - A different outlook on consumption 01:32:17 - The problem with just coining it 01:41:25 - Rodeo's pivot to USD 01:48:27 - Pocobelli and crypto art 01:54:25 - Artist highlights 02:00:02 - Verse Rundown         

Jack Butcher, founder of Visualize Value, brings his expertise in simplifying complex ideas through visuals. He chats about the dynamic relationship between design and art, questioning if the term 'Artist' is still relevant. Jack emphasizes the internet's role as a creative canvas and discusses the importance of authentic connections over mere technical skills. They also delve into the power of networks, the challenges faced in the NFT space, and how independence impacts creativity in the ever-evolving digital art landscape.

01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 07:40 - Are discussion panels boring14:20 - Embracing browser discrepancies 22:00 -  The artist's intent vs breaking emerging standards28:15 - Leyla's wallet boycott 33:10 - Jack Kaido and SuperRare 43:07 - Diving into Holly's collection 47:37 - Toxic positivity and Grace's post 54:17 - Timeframes and an opportunity to miss out 57:58 - Building out context in the digital space01:00:30 - Botto's Liminal Thresholds 01:05:06 - Artists Rooms, formats and new focus 01:12:03 - Developing a release program and striking a balance 01:14:00 - Artist highlights 01:23:45 - Verse rundown  https://x.com/andreasgysin https://x.com/graphicapng https://x.com/reas https://x.com/graceb_art 

00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 02:15 - Unpacking the process 03:45 - The secret 06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 10:50 -  Battling platform censorship 13:50 - The reveal 16:45 - Great art can come from anywhere 20:20 - Self-expression and acceptance 23:15 - Deviations and community 24:18 - Permanence and provenance 27:09 - Personalised slop machines 35:40 - ChatGPT and the next wave of entrants 40:50 - Overly complex, off-putting tech 43:40 - Digital goes physical 47:30 - Deviates blue chip, red chip, purple chip? 49:10 - Fall out from Ghibli-gate 51:18 - William Mapan, sales mechanics 54:50 - Artie Gallerie and Kevin Esherick 56:29 - Fakewhale and Andy Duboc  

01:22 - A complex practice 05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 09:50 - Parenthood on creativity  12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 16:00 - Building bridges and the importance of physical work 19:48 - The evolution of Sketchbook B and Etudes 26:05 - Immersed in the process27:33 - The completion of the sketchbook 31:20 - Mark making, self-exploration and identity 34:35 - Dealing with the noise 37:35 - The current focus on AI 39:49 - Does the medium matter 43:15 - Burnout and maintaining a work-life balance 47:30 - Installing Sketchbook B and highlighting the algorithm 53:45 - Authenticity and freedom of expression 56:38 - Thinking on sales mechanics and allowlists 59:19 - Intensity, stress and prerelease thoughts         

01:30 - Jeff Magid 08:50 - Discovering another world 16:25 - Becoming a collector 19:15 - Risks and rewards 24:35 - Breaking convention 28:40 - The future of the art world and digital art 36:19 - Value creation and a complex market 39:55 - Stagnation and exclusivity 44:27 - Welcoming new participants 48:40 - Where digital art is going wrong 57:27 - The stigma of the PFP 1:00 - An outside perspective 01:01:54 - The roundtable returns01:03:10 - Growing the digital space 01:05:30 - Fantasy art funds 01:06:20 - Parallel worlds 01:08:20 - The physicality of digital 01:10:08 - The promise of the metaverse 01:13:40 - Interacting and living with digital art 01:21:13 - Breaking down an outsiders perspective 01:26:20 - Blue chip art in a red chip world 01:36:30 - Converging towards a consensus look 01:41:10 - Agency, exposure and the impact of social media 01:51:49 - Red or blue 01:52:25 - High-end sales and moves 01:54:08 - Artist Highlights 01:58:28 - Verse rundown hicetnunc2000: https://x.com/hicetnunc2000 kiszkiloszki: https://x.com/kiszkiloszki Molly Soda: https://www.instagram.com/bloatedandalone4evr1993 Casey Reas: https://x.com/reas Shl0ms: https://x.com/shl0ms Jeff Magid: https://www.instagram.com/magideye   

01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base 10:10 - Buying the top and catching falling knives 14:26 - Managing liquidity 15:46 - Navigating the market as an artist 19:22 - New mediums, new metas and perspectives 24:04 - Approaching historical context as a curator 32:15 - Watching the exit 33:30 - The market and creativity 35:29 - Total abundance and the All In Podcast 42:44 - Pacing and sustainability 48:35 - Artist highlights 52:00 - Verse rundown Obtainer: https://x.com/obtainer Kat the Poet Engineer: https://x.com/poetengineer bjorn calleja: https://x.com/bjorncalleja stoopid avatar: https://x.com/stoopidavatar Iskra Velitchkova: https://x.com/pointline elements of air: https://x.com/pointline_/status/1897615862984589505?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw All In episode 218: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg/id1502871393?i=1000698337313 

03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun16:15 - Freedom of expression and new value systems 22:43 - The Funny Guys, Monk Antony and Le Random 25:48 - Historic importance 30:00 - Research, criticality and ignoring hype 32:50 - Diving into Kaloh's tweet - the team's 2 ETH picks 46:30 - The difficulty of building in the space 54:20 - The impact of markets and cycles on collecting 56:55 - Mainstream understanding and expanding the collector base 01:02:00 - Embracing and exploring both cultural sphere's 01:05:50 - Diving into Eli's tweet - the team's picks 01:09:18 - Higgs, Christie's and the last week' s releases 01:13:15 - Verse rundown 01:16:16 - Artist highlights Computer Critters: https://x.com/beachsideufo littlecakes: https://x.com/evrythngissoft Canek Zapata: https://x.com/canekzapata Peter The Roman: https://x.com/peterthe_romanGozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze Tuukzs: https://x.com/tuukzs José Narciso: https://x.com/narcisojuse         

01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 -  Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understanding new value systems and cultural shifts 14:14 - Opportunities within a lack of bureaucracy 18:00 - What denotes importance 27:00 - Grace's Tweet, competition and platform collaboration 30:20 - AI curation, Fellowship's north star and laying paths 36:25 - The reality of targeting a wider audience 40:30 - Strength in diversity and listening to the artwork 44:35 - Marketing, engagement and impact 52:00 - Unpacking keke 56:00 - Curating and guiding an AI Agent 01:00:30 - The inherent potential of a machine artist 01:02:30 - Mixed implementation of process 01:07:55 - Collector burnout 01:15:30 - The power of a timeline 01:18:20 - The evolution of the Daily program 01:24:20 - The state of the cycle 01:27:30 - Zora and fractionalisation 01:34:27 - Artist Highlights 01:38:00 - Verse Rundown  Colour Charlie: https://x.com/colour_charlie Skomra: https://x.com/skomra John Gerrard: https://x.com/john__gerrard                  

01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 - Tensions and criticism 16:25 - Building conversations 20:29 - Over indexing on complexity 24:25 - The Future of Man 26:48 - Collector interaction 29:45 - Artistic merit vs market value 40:00 - Emperor's new clothes and conceptual gymnastics 49:35 - SuperRare shutters their discord 52:15 - Marketing, community and authenticity 56:54 - The importance of a place for human interaction 01:00:00 - Artist-collector interaction and support 01:06:00 - Gallery outreach and bandwidth constraints 01:14:35 - 22 Algorithms, The Giraffe and predictions 01:16:42 - Artist highlights koneko: https://x.com/koneko_nyao Eddi Jones: https://x.com/eddijonesnft Chino Amobi: https://www.instagram.com/chinoamobi Mazin: https://x.com/endless_mazin Artie's #2316 thread: https://x.com/punk7635/status/1891997386135773388?s=46&t=Y0qIYiBAAsy4ea-t-FfRQw