
Design Systems: Beyond The Button
Wondering what’s involved in making a successful design system? So is Nef, the newest member of zeroheight’s marketing team. In this podcast, Nef is joined by one of zeroheight’s trustiest Design Advocates, Michelle Chin, to get their questions answered about everything related to the big world of design systems. If you’re eager to make the bestest design system ever, you’ve found the perfect place!
Latest episodes

Aug 8, 2024 • 58min
Beyond the Button #10: How do design systems foster user trust?
Tim Legierse, a veteran of the zeroheight team, and Beau Ulrey, Sr. Design System Manager at U.S. Bank, dive into how design systems foster user trust. They discuss the impact of consistent UI in enhancing user adoption, especially in finance. The conversation highlights balancing design consistency with innovation and the importance of beta testing. Collaborative development processes and usability testing play crucial roles in refining design systems. Ultimately, they underline that reliability over time is key to building trust.

Jul 4, 2024 • 43min
Beyond the Button #9: Where does user research fit into design systems?
Designers face the challenge of integrating user research into design systems while meeting component demands. The conversation emphasizes early feedback to enhance user experiences and the importance of collaboration between teams. Incorporating informal user feedback can guide design improvements, while usability testing helps ensure components are user-friendly. Navigating the customer journey is key, as design system practitioners, designers, and developers all play vital roles in enhancing overall user experience and fostering trust through shared insights.

Jun 5, 2024 • 51min
Beyond the Button #8: How do you even start documenting patterns?
You’ve created most or all your components, but now people are asking about patterns. In this episode, we break down the initial steps of documenting your patterns, which patterns to document first, and top tips when it comes to pattern documentation.

May 22, 2024 • 53min
Beyond the Button #7: How do we collaborate around a design system?
This time, we’re tackling how to collaborate on a design system. We’ll talk about the tools you should be using, who should be doing what, and how you can create a review and governance process that ensures your design system site is accurate and consistent.

Mar 15, 2024 • 45min
Beyond the Button #6: We’re measuring our design systems impact, right?
In this episode, we’re talking about something everyone seems to struggle with: measuring the impact of their design system. Should we be measuring how many visitors a design system site has? How often components are used? And, what qualitative measures are worth keeping an eye on?

Feb 20, 2024 • 55min
Beyond the Button #5: How are we supposed to be using design tokens, anyway?
In this episode, we discuss a hot topic: design tokens. We talk about when a design system should incorporate design tokens and when. We also explore best practices for creating and maintaining your design tokens, including Michelle’s hot topics on design token naming conventions.

Feb 5, 2024 • 48min
Beyond the Button #4: How involved should brand and marketing be in your design system?
In this episode, we jump into the intersection of design systems and branding. We uncover the secrets to striking the perfect balance, exploring what works seamlessly and what may hinder your design process. We explore integrating brand and marketing into your design system, discussing collaboration and coherence, and creating a visual language that works for product design and great user experiences.

Jan 10, 2024 • 50min
Beyond The Button #3: How can my team build a successful design system?
In this episode, we ask a tough, subjective question – how can your team build a successful design system? Believe it or not, the answer might be easier than you can imagine. Nef and Michelle uncover what success means and how that might apply to your team.

Dec 4, 2023 • 47min
Beyond The Button #2: Who uses a design system?
Developers and designers use design systems, right? They do, but do you know who else uses them? We’ll cover who else uses design systems, why understanding this matters, and how you can best help your design system users.

Nov 9, 2023 • 42min
Beyond The Button #1: What is a design system?
In the first episode, Nef and Michelle answered the most fundamental question, “What is a design system?” Is the answer easy and straightforward, or is this a trick question?
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